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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
584 Posts
Posted - Jul 12 2011 :  01:25:51 AM  Show Profile
Hello Fred,
YES, the "Moment" cameras have the only serial number on the lens.

Regards, Alexander
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Fred_L
France
222 Posts
Posted - Jul 12 2011 :  04:03:15 AM  Show Profile
Hello Alex

Thank you for information...
I have been searching for so long time to find a second number on my bodies.....
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Jul 17 2011 :  08:32:02 AM  Show Profile

An interesting 1949 Kiev III not common.
A comparison between this one and a wartime Contax III. Soon!

Amitiés. Jacques.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1772011_Kiev III 1949 001.JPG

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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
584 Posts
Posted - Jul 17 2011 :  09:07:39 AM  Show Profile
Bravo, Jacques
rather rare camera.
I found Kiev-III from 1948 some time ago. Perhaps they have much in common.




Regards, Alexander
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Jul 17 2011 :  09:29:48 AM  Show Profile

Yours is much rarer, Alexander.
It has an "A" serial number?

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Jul 19 2011 :  12:06:43 PM  Show Profile

My last born: a 1949 Kiev II.
More common than its brother 1949 III.
Jacques.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1972011_Kiev II 1949 016.JPG

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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jul 24 2011 :  4:27:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
FED 1948 ZORKI, unfortunatley without orginal lens...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2472011_fedzorki.jpg

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Jacek
Omega
France
25 Posts
Posted - Aug 07 2011 :  05:45:54 AM  Show Profile
Zenit Labo: KMZ Logo Made in USSR on the sole

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/782011_Labo.jpg



I do not speak English, I use Google Language Tools

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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Aug 09 2011 :  03:45:08 AM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
Labo is nice, I hope I will get it somewhere...
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Aug 09 2011 :  08:32:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
Body from Russia, lens in Estonia. Both have serial 86...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/982011_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/982011_02.jpg

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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Aug 25 2011 :  04:13:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
Here is my liliput, now looking for maliutka


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2582011_lilput1.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2582011_liliput2.jpg

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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
786 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Aug 27 2011 :  4:33:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Another KIEV II from 1949. It comes with a collapsible Zorki ZK. There are some interesting details, Focus wheel like a Contax (with groove), rewind knob with 4 instead of 3 milled rows, but no more flatened "3" on focus helix and film reminder wheel (see pictures).

The collapsible Zorki has no serial numer inside (as the Sonnars) but it has an hand engraved number inside, the number is 197. So maybe this was the time when they went from Sonnars to self made Zorki lenses?

Another interesting thing is that the shutter has a hand engraved number too inside. It looks similar to the hand engraved number on my very early Kiev II from 1950 and the serials are only 2400 numbers different.

Does anybody know if there was a time when the shutters were numbered by hand? My first thought when I saw this number on the 1950 Kiev was that it was later made. But now when I see a similar engraved number on the 1949 Kiev I think this could be factory made.











Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
786 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Aug 27 2011 :  4:35:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Alexander,

a great KIEV III! Specially the lens with it's serial number...

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
584 Posts
Posted - Aug 28 2011 :  02:16:01 AM  Show Profile
Ulrich,

very interesting information. I have also a Kiev-II from 1949 with a collapsible Zorki ZK, BUT the lens has s/n 4900415 and DOES NOT have any hand engraved number inside.
The Soviets had to register all separate parts for the new Kiev-Contax cameras (and for another cameras as well ) and it could be possible, that since some time they started to register these lens-parts for some internal use too.

Regards, Alexander
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Aug 28 2011 :  03:46:39 AM  Show Profile

Very interesting, Ulrich!
Do you have a picture of the hand engraved number near the shutter?
It seems I have seen something similar on one of my 1950 Kiev II, but I don't remember exactly where it was...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
786 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Aug 28 2011 :  04:23:29 AM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Jacques,

I did not make a picture of the engraved serial number of the 1949 Kiev but one of the 1950 one. The 1949 serial engraving style looks similar.
To see that number you have to disassemble the camera partly (take off the top).



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Edited by - uwittehh on Aug 28 2011 04:25:33 AM
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Aug 28 2011 :  3:44:44 PM  Show Profile

Thanks, Ulrich.
Soon I will check on one of my early Kievs.

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1005 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 01 2011 :  10:35:15 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage
Today I got home FED-C "Komandirskij FED", serial 138730 carera and 26504 lens making it approx 1940.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/192011_FedC.JPG



Best regards,
Juhani
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Sep 02 2011 :  11:04:40 AM  Show Profile

Fine, Juhani!
With a hole in the press film, I suppose?

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1005 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 04 2011 :  06:15:56 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage
Yes!

Best regards,
Juhani
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
584 Posts
Posted - Sep 11 2011 :  2:53:39 PM  Show Profile
Here are the new in my collection "7-eyes" LOMO-twins: Sokol-automat and its export-"brother" Aurora-automat.




Regards, Alexander
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Sep 26 2011 :  06:40:20 AM  Show Profile

Not yet received, but bought some days ago: as it seems a Fed 1a reingraved Leica with a one turn lens (reingraved Elmar).
It can be an interesting camera or a pure fake!
I will tell you when received.

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
973 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 26 2011 :  09:47:17 AM  Show Profile  Visit AidasCams's Homepage
very nice Orchid-3 lens for Zorki RF.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2692011_orchid-3.jpg

Best regards,
Aidas
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 26 2011 :  4:29:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
Woderful, that is something!!!
This lens is something new for my eyes!
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4236 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 26 2011 :  6:56:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage
Hi Aidas, congratulations! Very fine lens, I've never seen one before! Wow! 1.5/50mm!
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
973 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 27 2011 :  01:31:19 AM  Show Profile  Visit AidasCams's Homepage
Thanks. Please find attached comparison picture with ZK Zorki 1.5/50 (1949). Both beauties released by KMZ.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2792011_ZK_vs_Orchid_4.jpg

Best regards,
Aidas
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Sep 27 2011 :  06:41:20 AM  Show Profile

Magnifique!
The JLP says nothing about this lens, except that it was not really produced.
Do you have other details about it, Aidas?
Thanks for the pictures...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
584 Posts
Posted - Sep 27 2011 :  10:47:40 AM  Show Profile
Bravo Aidas,
very nice find! I have seen this lens in some old articles about history of KMZ.
As far as I know it is prototype of Jupiter-3 (like Orchid-1 is prototype of Jupiter-8).
Congratulations!

Regards, Alexander
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 30 2011 :  08:49:51 AM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
Here are my latest cameras...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3092011_cameras.jpg

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xalmaz
Russia
36 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Oct 02 2011 :  08:40:55 AM  Show Profile  Visit xalmaz's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by AlexanderK

As far as I know it is prototype of Jupiter-3 (like Orchid-1 is prototype of Jupiter-8).



Congratulations Aidas!

Dear Alexander,
Orchid-3 cannot be prototype of Jupiter-3(and Orchid-1 cannot be prototype of Jupiter-8) because Orchid-1 was calculated in 1956(Orchid-3 was calculated in 1959, according GOI catalogue 1963). This is if you don't look optical schemes of Orchids...

http://xalmaz.narod.ru
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
584 Posts
Posted - Oct 02 2011 :  08:57:14 AM  Show Profile
xalmaz,

very interesting catalogue! Thank you very much.

Regards, Alexander
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1005 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Oct 07 2011 :  09:34:26 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage
Working Zenit-18 #8602323 with Zenitar-ME1 #861738 and almost like new Granit-11N #861095. Don't ask me how these fit together, even the seller had no idea!


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/7102011_Z18.jpg



Best regards,
Juhani
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Oct 07 2011 :  2:09:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
My Zenitar-ME1 serial is 861766, very close.

And here is my black jupiter-9 for kiev RF.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/7102011_kievRF1.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/7102011_kievRF2.jpg

Best, Martti
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Oct 08 2011 :  06:55:59 AM  Show Profile

Received today my 46th Fed 1. All are different!
An interesting one, even if not beautiful. It's an 1b with
- a number of 1a,
- brown patterned vulcanite,
- large engraved lettering.

All that makes me think that the (real) serial number could be around 26000.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/8102011_Fed 1b 4580 001.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/8102011_Fed 1b 4580 002.JPG

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
786 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Oct 09 2011 :  4:08:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Jacques,

my first thought was "46 FED 1, what a crazy guy", then I counted my FED 1. I counted 20 and I was sure that there were not more than 10 :-)

Congratulations to the FED 1 with the strange serial number. I own one with serial 2850 which looks exactly like yours, the only different is the normal vulcanite instead of the brown one.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
786 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Oct 09 2011 :  4:10:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Martti,

nice, seems that you are building a "Jupiter 9 farm" to grow them up and have children ;-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Oct 10 2011 :  07:18:08 AM  Show Profile

Not bad, Ulrich, not bad. Still an effort to be as mad as me...

Amitiés.
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Colin
urban-wombat
Australia
71 Posts
Posted - Oct 13 2011 :  01:19:51 AM  Show Profile
Fotokor .


Testing .. paper negative f18 2 mins + yellow filter



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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Oct 13 2011 :  03:10:11 AM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
Ulrich,

yes, my farm have already aftergrowth, one little girl jupiter-12 and boy jupiter-3. Now I hope, that they will grow and be jupiter-6!!!

Best, Martti
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Oct 19 2011 :  11:44:05 AM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
My latest finds...

VESNA

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/19102011_vesna.jpg

and FKD 13x18 (new)

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/19102011_01.jpg


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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Nov 17 2011 :  07:54:01 AM  Show Profile
Hello,

One of my friends, a French collector, received lately some interesting items. He sent them to me. Here are three of them:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17112011_Photos PYC 0 001.jpg

For the Industar 24M, I am a bit surprised. The diaphragm ring seems turning just the reverse than it should. At f22: it's all open. And it is closed at f 3,5...

Probably I don't understand something!

About the two Feds, I will open separate threads.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Nov 17 2011 08:28:34 AM
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Nov 26 2011 :  3:44:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
Here is KIF, underwater box for start!
I like KRAB more!!!


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112011_07.jpg

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okynek
759 Posts
Posted - Nov 28 2011 :  10:30:54 AM  Show Profile
Very nice! I never had underwater case for Start camera in my hands.
How did you find one !
Would you be able to add your pictures to Wiki?
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Nov 29 2011 :  02:12:14 AM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
My wife friends friend have get it in observatory and was thinking to use it. But then he decide to sell it. He have asked me, do I wat it. I have asked pictures. But he but it in auction. So I called him and make offer and get it without auction.
It is bought in 67 year and is never used.

Wiki in something new for me, if I can, I will add the pictures.

Here is picture of my KRAB...
sadly without gear and stuff


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/29112011_02.jpg

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Membedeep
4 Posts
Posted - Dec 05 2011 :  02:58:46 AM  Show Profile
TOCHKA-58M / S-252 type b used by the Romanian secret service, like new. I paid for it around $10, but I'm sure it is worth much more. How much do you think? There are only few informations on the internet. It works fine and I also have 9 other lenses, like the one mounted on it. Sorry for the crappy pictures...







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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4236 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 05 2011 :  10:29:35 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage
Wow!! $10 I've seen these sold for around at least $500.. great buy, congratulations!
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Membedeep
4 Posts
Posted - Dec 07 2011 :  07:45:00 AM  Show Profile
My last russian camera, along with a classic Sputnik, is a Fed S with the 2/50 lens. The camera has serial number 56054 and the lens has the serial number 21334. Are there several types of Fed S? Thank you!
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Dec 07 2011 :  07:59:07 AM  Show Profile

Hello,
There are as many Fed S as 1c, d and e types...
So, including the sub series:
- 5 1c type,
- 3 1d type,
- 1 1e type,
If we count some "original" Fed S engraved Leica, you can find at least 10 different Fed S. And special ones were made with leatherette and ears for straps.

Yours must be (by the serial number)the first 1c type, with a grey/green vulcanite coming from late 1b.

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Fred_L
France
222 Posts
Posted - Dec 09 2011 :  12:47:03 PM  Show Profile
Hi all....

I think this outfit is no very rare, but I found it as you see in pictures. Complete with shades for camera, strap, battery!
In very good shape, as you can see...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9122011_Fed Stereo_1.JPG




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9122011_Fed Stereo_2.JPG

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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Dec 10 2011 :  11:43:08 AM  Show Profile

Hello Frédéric!

A very nice outfit. It seems abolutely complete, even with the spectacles!

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Fred_L
France
222 Posts
Posted - Dec 10 2011 :  12:30:05 PM  Show Profile
Thank you Jacques

I bought it in an auction in Sens last week. 300 euros + taxes. it is quite expensive but so hard to find such complete outfit.....
I bought also a FT2 and a Voskhod (with active lightmeter...incredible...!!).
I miss a F21.... too expensive...

There is another auction in Limoges next friday...With a few Russian cameras too...I think I will be there as I am in Toulouse all week...Not so far..

All the best

Fred
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1005 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 11 2011 :  2:18:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/11122011_FotoExponometer2.JPG

From a local flea market for the huge price of 2 euros :)

http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=42&ParentID=3&ContentID=1474&Item=Lenobltorg+Exposure+Calculator%2E



Best regards,
Juhani
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Kris Lockyear
womble
United Kingdom
70 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 12 2011 :  12:59:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit womble's Homepage
Romanian spy cameras (with 9 lenses?!) and stereo FEDs... there is some amazing stuff about.

Thanks for sharing it with us.

K.
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 14 2011 :  01:00:55 AM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
ELIKON-2 serial 9601014
now looking for ELIKON-3, if anybody have to offer, let me know!


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/14122011_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/14122011_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/14122011_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/14122011_06.jpg

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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
584 Posts
Posted - Dec 14 2011 :  04:15:24 AM  Show Profile
Hi Martti,
here it is: http://www.ebay.de/itm/ELIKON-3-Soviet-35mm-Camera-VERY-RARE-/350487610862?pt=Film_Cameras&hash=item519ab085ee ,
but I am not sure, that the price is OK.


Regards, Alexander
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 14 2011 :  11:03:35 AM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
Hello!
Camera condition is to bad fot the price!
Wonderig, what hole is that...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/14122011_elikon.jpg

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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1005 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 14 2011 :  12:22:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage
There should be a plastic "lens" that covers the "flash ready" lamp now well visible.

Best regards,
Juhani
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Dec 17 2011 :  09:00:32 AM  Show Profile

A classic Kiev 1948, mainly with Jena parts. Not really different from my Kiev 1949. 1948 Kievs seem very variable from the Dresden side to the Jena one...
The lens is interesting. It's a late rigid 1948 ZK one which looks regular.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Kiev 1948 002.jpg

In the back, one of my two cats. And between the two, a prewar Kine Exakta: massive and impressive. Much more sophisticated than the contemporaneous Leicas or Feds! It's not the first TLR: it has the rectangular magnifier, not the round one.

Amitiés. Jacques.

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Fred_L
France
222 Posts
Posted - Dec 17 2011 :  11:04:09 AM  Show Profile
This time is outfit time for me...
Not really expensive outfits, but uite complete with papers...

This one is in a wonderful plastic case...Typical of seventies... I think I will try to go working with it one day...

All the best...

Fred




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Etude_1.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Etude_3.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Etude_5.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Etude_6.JPG

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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Dec 18 2011 :  09:17:43 AM  Show Profile

Hi Fred,
Beautiful! And complete, with all the papers...
It seems you had it in France, perhaps Limoges?

I gave up trying to collect such outfits: not enough room...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Fred_L
France
222 Posts
Posted - Dec 18 2011 :  1:08:23 PM  Show Profile
Hi Jacques!!

I bought it on ebay to a guy who is also a professional seller and who lives in Normandie..
I went to Limoges last friday
Very interesting sale... Only a few people in the room.. So most of item have been sold a starting price, except 2 or 3 very special items.
Not a lot of Russian cameras..
I got a Kiev IIIa and Jupiter 8 in good shape (light meter ok) for 36 euros and a very nice Salyut S with Vega and back for 60 euros. Only problem for this one, is that I see only one curtain on shutter...Not easy to fix..
As prices were very low, I came back with 2 full cases of different cameras.. I need to sell them now and buy new Russian cameras...
The best was a Nikkor QD-C 5.6/15mm AI like new...Not really Russian lens....

All the best

Fred
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
786 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jan 12 2012 :  2:32:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Jacques,

congrats to the 1948 KIEV.

Here are my 2 newest finds.

First a Zorki 3 with early serial number and screw in the middle under the rangefinder window:









I have installed new shutter curtains and now it works fine.

The second is a rarity I think. It's a Horizont Revue with matching box, the two filters, the hand grip, german papers and german instruction booklet! I have never seen a complete set before. Only the leather bag is missing.

An interesting thing: The name Horizont is written with a "Z" on the booklet and the camera itself, but on the box there is written in big letters "HORISONT-REVUE" with an "S" :-)





Unfortunately someone has removed all body screws (I think, I have replacements) and the release button has fallen out (but it was in the packet).


Edit: As I see on Aidas' site it is this one:

http://sovietcams.com/index.php?-2017518783
"6. Very uncommon version, under name "Horizont Revue" in Roman characters. Were released for W.Germany market. Very few early cameras have 1/250s markings on the top plate."

It has the 1/250s marking. So it seems to be a nice find :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Edited by - uwittehh on Jan 12 2012 4:54:38 PM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 15 2012 :  11:47:34 AM  Show Profile


Hi Ulrich!
I did not know there are "Horizont Revue"...
Your early Zorki 3 is fine: they are becoming rare now. And your lens is probably the good one by the datas. I bought my # 00707 without lens, and I have put on it a '52 one.

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jan 16 2012 :  3:05:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Jacques,

I knew about the Horizont Revue (I have seen one or two on ebay the last years), but I have never seen one (or a normal Horizont) with box and papers.

Yes, I think it's the original lens on the Zorki 3. 707 is a nice serial number, are you now looking for number 747? :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
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Posted - Jan 17 2012 :  3:50:36 PM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
KRAB for LC-A, without the viewfinder. Serial 880003


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1712012_01.jpg

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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
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Posted - Jan 25 2012 :  4:25:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
"FED-35" 28mm f4.5
This is something, that I did not hope to get. But here it is.
Still missing RUSSAR and FED 50mm f2 lens.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2512012_02.jpg

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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jan 25 2012 :  4:34:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Martti,

great finds, specially the FED lens. I am looking for one of it too, but they are really rare to find.

By the way, most of the missing screws of the Horizont-Revue I could find in the packet, and for the other ones I have had replacements. Now it works and looks as new.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 25 2012 :  5:10:48 PM  Show Profile

Bravo for the 4,5/28mm Fed lens.
Serial number between 40xxx and 46xxx, I suppose?
I have one, never tried...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
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Posted - Jan 25 2012 :  5:51:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
Number is 46370 and there is extra number 34 opposide side of serial.
I am thinking to try it, someday.
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - Jan 26 2012 :  12:39:25 PM  Show Profile
Great find, Martti.
I have sold one some time ago here on USSRPhoto .
I have FED 50mm f2 for sell as well, you can find it here: http://www.ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1805


Regards, Alexander
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
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Posted - Jan 26 2012 :  4:11:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
Alexander, is it possible to get some detail pictures of the lens?
Thank you!
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Fred_L
France
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Posted - Feb 07 2012 :  11:37:25 AM  Show Profile
I got it today...
My first Russar with 2 original caps and finder....

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/722012_Russar_005.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/722012_Russar_006.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/722012_Russar_007.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/722012_Russar_010.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/722012_Russar_011.JPG

Fred

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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
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Posted - Feb 13 2012 :  3:55:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
Russar is cool!

Here is my latest find...
Serial 9982


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1322012_fed1.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1322012_fed2.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1322012_fed3.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1322012_fed4.jpg

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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 13 2012 :  4:17:15 PM  Show Profile

One of the rarest Fed accessories.
I suppose it doesn't work? Or I will have it mine repaired...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 :  03:34:15 AM  Show Profile  Visit fotomuda's Homepage
I can see a little respont to light, but yes, it is not working!
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 :  1:22:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
A very nice No Name Kiev arrived here today. It looks like new, even the matching leather case without name is like new. And it works very smooth.

It is from 1963, comes with a 1,5/50 Sonnar lens and has not the OCCUPIED engraving on the back! So which version is it? As I know the first series has the additional engraving, is from 1963 and has Sonnar lens, and the second series is from 1964 without the engraving on the back and without Sonnar lens or with Jupiter lens. And as I can see nobody has opened it before, so no mix of parts.

What's that? While inspecting the leather bag I found "USSR OCCUPIED GERMANY" printed inside on the leather strap of the bag. Has anyone seen this before?








Edit: Here's a picture of the leather strap:



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Edited by - uwittehh on Feb 14 2012 1:40:09 PM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 :  3:13:19 PM  Show Profile

Bravo, Ulrich!
I don't have such a "no name"...
BTW, what is the serial number of the Sonnar? It seems that some sellers put any Zeiss lens on this camera...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 :  3:33:32 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Jacques,

thanks. It's a post war Sonnar from Zeiss Ikon Stuttgart, a late one without the red coating marking. So it seems to be the original one. The serial number is 1170766. I have had two or three of them, their serial numbers are very different, some have only 5 digits, some have seven digits and the numbers spread wide. I don't know how Zeiss Ikon has numbered the Sonnars in post war times.
By the way, I haven't cleaned the camera until now, it comes out of the sellers packet in this state :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Feb 14 2012 :  4:10:37 PM  Show Profile

Hi Ulrich,

About postwar numbers, for CZ Oberkochen (Stuttgart):
- # 10000 to 500000:years 1946-50 (Opton)
- # 500000 to 1,1 Mn: years 51-53 (Opton)
- # 1,1Mn to 2,6 Mn: years 53-59 (CZ, except for Comecon sales)

For CZ Jena (East Germany), the numbers follow prewar ones:
- # 3 Mn to 3,2 Mn: 1945-49,
- # 3,2 Mn to 3,47 Mn: 49-52,
- # 3,47 Mn to 4 Mn: 52-55,
- # 4 Mn to 5 Mn: 55-58.

Here are the official numbers, not very precise, I confess. If it can help...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 :  4:19:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Jacques,

thanks. So it's one of the first ones that are labeled with "Carl Zeiss" only. That's nice :-)

It would be interesting to know which 1,5 Sonnars were put on the No Name Kievs, but I think we don't have enough samples for it...

Ulrich

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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 15 2012 :  4:32:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Jacques,

I have cleaned it now (even if there was only a bit dirt on it) and now it looks really as "out of the factory". I've never had such a shiny Kiev before! Seems that the NoName Kievs have better chrome finish.

Edit: Here's a picture after cleaning it.



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Edited by - uwittehh on Feb 15 2012 5:30:21 PM
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Fred_L
France
222 Posts
Posted - Feb 15 2012 :  5:40:10 PM  Show Profile
Hi Ulrich

I have one too!!
Tha same as you got
No Name as new with serial n° 6307326....
And Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar T 2/5cm n°3059424

As yours, no engraving from UUSR occupied Germany... Nothing

I will make pics this week end and post them....

Fred
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Fred_L
France
222 Posts
Posted - Feb 16 2012 :  1:40:57 PM  Show Profile
As I promissed yesterday, here are some pics of my No Name Kiev
I bought it a few years ago in Drouot in Paris, in an auction sale.
I remember the price was higher than a Contax II (But the Contax were very cheap in this sale)


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_07.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev No_Name_11.jpg

Fred

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Fred_L
France
222 Posts
Posted - Feb 16 2012 :  1:49:15 PM  Show Profile
This one is arrived a few weeks ago

I am not sure the lens is the original one but specilalists here will probably tell me more about this combination lens and body?

Thank's a lot!

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622012_Kiev II_05.jpg

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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 16 2012 :  2:00:49 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Fred,

both cameras are really nice. I think the lens of the 1950 Kiev is the right one, but on the No Name Kiev is a lens of the late 40ies made by Carl Zeiss in Jena. As I know they were delivered with Zeiss Sonnars from Stuttgart/Oberkochen. But it's a nice lens it's one of the sort that was delivered with the Jena Contax or the TSVVS (regarding to the number).

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Feb 16 2012 :  2:34:23 PM  Show Profile
Hello Fred (and Ulrich!),

A vey fine 1950 Kiev II, with a matching ZK lens, as it seems.
It's difficult to say if it is the right good one: my datas (thanks for them!) show that we can have very close bodies with lenses the numbers of which are (a bit) more large.

As far as I know, it's not exactly the same for the "no names". It seems that the 1963 bodies were assembled with different lenses: prewar CZJ which were always in stock, early postwar CZJ or even Opton which had not been used. Difficult to say more, as there are not many cameras of which we can discuss. The 1964 are easier: all seem to have the 1964 Jupiter...

Amitiés. Jacques.


Edited by - Jacques M. on Feb 16 2012 3:35:19 PM
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 25 2012 :  4:07:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Another nice find, a preseries FED 2a with low serial number (001231) in very nice looking condition.





Unfortunately the shutter was broken and so I disassembled it to repair it. It's really interesting these early preseries FED 2a are different inside. So there is a light baffle inside that hides the shutter drums and the two curtain rollers are hold by a plate on top which makes it easy to install the shutter. Very nice made.

And I have found out why it looks so new... It seems that it gets broken very early and unfortunately one small piece is broken that could not be repaired (only if you have another camera with such a low serial I think): The stop pin in the shutter under the big gear on the bottom was broken. You need a lot of force to break it, so I think that it was broken installed by factory and breaks short after using the camera. So it's a nice item for the shelf only.

Here are pictures of the light baffle inside the body and the plate on top of the shutter housing that holds the two rollers.






I forgot... Interesting is a comparison of the viewfinder window. The size of the early one is a bit bigger than on later ones. Here compared to a normal FED 2a. On top the 001231, on bottom one with serial 23xxx:




Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Edited by - uwittehh on Feb 25 2012 4:12:38 PM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 26 2012 :  06:50:16 AM  Show Profile

Hi Ulrich!

Thanks for the photos!
What you say about the size of the viewfinder window is interesting. Is the # 23xxx a preseries too, or a crossover model with preseries release button and round window?
All that would deserve a special study...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 26 2012 :  07:19:53 AM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Jacques,

yes, I also wondered about the size of the viewfinder window. The one I got from you (003729) has the normal sized window.

The 023015 is a normal FED 2a with the round range finder window and the round collar around the release button. I think it could be one of the first ones, I also own a preseries crossover model with round range finder window and preseries release button that has number 022304.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 26 2012 :  09:09:26 AM  Show Profile

Thanks for these precisions, Ulrich.
Perhaps there are other interesting parameters to examine closely on early Fed 2.
I remember for example having weighed the very early Alain's Fed 2 (number 000007, but I am not sure about the number of 0 !). And it was heavier than the "regular" preseries, much than expected, anyway (# c.10% if I remember).

Jacques.

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Sandor Szilagyi
Messsucher
Hungary
34 Posts
Posted - Feb 26 2012 :  3:14:32 PM  Show Profile
Nice find Ulrich!

Mine came two weeks ago. N-011833 :)

Btw. frame around viewfinder window: my Fed-2a (N-012923) has thin frame.

SzS.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Mar 02 2012 :  4:46:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Jacques,

more to the FED 2a 23015: It lies here since 2 or 3 years with a broken shutter in a box and I just took it out to see if I can repair the broken shutter of the 001231 with some parts of it. But they differed too much.

Now after looking on Aidas site I've seen that this 23015 seems to be an early "Type A2". As he knows they start at 27.000 so mine seems to be a nice find out off a box with broken cameras :-)

Now I have installed new shutter curtains on it and it works quite as a Leica.






Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Edited by - uwittehh on Mar 02 2012 4:49:19 PM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Mar 06 2012 :  04:52:27 AM  Show Profile

Fine, Ulrich!
And what about the weights of the different elements of each camera?
Are there differences? It would be possible on prototype/preseries cameras...

Amitiés.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Mar 11 2012 :  10:06:03 AM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Jacques,

I don't have such a fine scale to weight the parts, sorry.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Fred_L
France
222 Posts
Posted - Mar 11 2012 :  1:27:02 PM  Show Profile
Hello All!!!!

This Narciss in in working order...
It has some spots on the cream color....


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_04.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_05.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_06.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Narciss_07.JPG

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Fred_L
France
222 Posts
Posted - Mar 11 2012 :  1:43:54 PM  Show Profile
My first one

I bought it yesterday in an auction
There were a lot of cameras and a full light meter collection to sell... About 450 light meters!!!
I had to bid on a box with a lot of 12 light meters to get this one.

Good surprise, it is in working order and seems to be accurate....

I have one question: The front with the selenium element is not as I have seen before.... Is it normal? Or may be a part is missing, but it seems not.....Help!!!

Thank you very much



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_01.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_02.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_03.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_04.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_05.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132012_Fed_Meter_06.JPG

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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Mar 11 2012 :  2:00:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage
Fred,

great finds! Specially the light meter in working condition. I can not say anything to the selenium cell because I have never had such a light meter. Maybe it was repaired sometimes ago?

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Mar 11 2012 :  4:41:10 PM  Show Profile

Congratulations for this lightmeter in working condition, Fred!
Perhaps, it's not in original condition. It's the first time I see a Fed lightmeter with this parallelepipedic inclusion: maybe for repair?

Mine is like Bill's one in the wiki:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=42&ParentID=3&ContentID=93&Item=FED+Exposure+Meter

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
584 Posts
Posted - Mar 11 2012 :  5:21:14 PM  Show Profile
Great find, Fred.
I have two of them: 61xx and 3-6xx, the both are without any inclusions.
I agree with Jacques, it seems to be not in original conditions, but it is anyway a very rare lightmeter. Congratulation!

Regards, Alexander
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Fred_L
France
222 Posts
Posted - Mar 11 2012 :  7:03:38 PM  Show Profile
Thank you all

I am a little bit disapointed because it seems to be really part of the meter...Not added part....
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