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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
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 Posted - May 06 2013 : 11:32:25 AM
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Leica cameras and lenses are less expensive in Usa than in Italy. Russian not. For an Italian buyer the problem is custom taxation for cameras from Usa (approximately 25%).
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
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Posted - May 06 2013 : 6:59:40 PM
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Vlad, the lense caught my eye and that it was on an export version made it nicer-the Ebay seller spoke no English and I speak no Italian! I was happy to get this one for sure.
Wow, that is expensive Vittorio. That would really raise the cost. What happens if you receive an item from someone in the US as a gift? Would there still be a tax? I'm thinking you might make an arrangement where you could have someone in the US purchase a camera and then send it to you.That might save some money, especially on a very expensive item.
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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
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Posted - May 07 2013 : 07:50:29 AM
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Normally, Italian Custom does not believe the word "Gift" and applies the tax.Sometime, rarely they accept.
Regards
Vittorio
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - May 07 2013 : 11:56:24 AM
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Not only Italian, German customs doesn't believe it as well and you have to prove it, that it came from your "uncle" or "friend"  .
Tax is 19%.
Regards, Alexander |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 07 2013 : 2:28:16 PM
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All the same here, from a non CEE country.
Sometimes nothing. It's rare! Most times 22,5% of VAT from USA. Not nothing, when buying for example a genuine (happily!) Fed-Zorki at about 550€ and the main customs of Charles de Gaulle Airport phone and ask if you are OK to pay 140 euros more, as taxes include shipping... |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
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Jacques M.
France
2599 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2013 : 02:50:07 AM
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I have just the same (but s/n 05159), with the 1/500th too, but without the flash plug.
Congrats, Martti!
Jacques. |
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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
28 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2013 : 12:24:53 PM
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I have the same n. 4993.
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Vittorio |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
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Posted - May 08 2013 : 12:58:18 PM
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02593 from 1948 and with 1/500s
Best regards,
Juhani |
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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
28 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2013 : 1:06:35 PM
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For completeness:
1948 1/1000th n.3209
1948 1/500th n.3828
1949 1/500th n.4993
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Vittorio |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
27 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2013 : 6:05:40 PM
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Two very nice cameras,Martti!
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - May 09 2013 : 02:47:08 AM
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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
28 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2013 : 11:29:43 AM
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G.Franco Giordano
Francesco
Italy
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 13 2013 : 2:25:48 PM
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Originally posted by fotomuda
Missing 1949 year "Zorki", without the cable release.
I have one, s/n 6337.
But it was one of the most difficult to get...
Jacques. |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
834 Posts
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
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Jacek
Omega
France
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
27 Posts |
Posted - Jun 16 2013 : 1:27:23 PM
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Fotomuda, what is the English translation of the words on the plate of the FK 13x18? My Russian is limited to only a few camera related words :)
it's great to see all these beautiful cameras in the hands of people who appreciate them.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Jun 16 2013 : 8:15:04 PM
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Ralph J
USA
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Posted - Jul 03 2013 : 9:50:57 PM
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Good morning;
There are two (2) "new" cameras to report: I am beginning to think that there is merit in taking photographs of them also to include with such an announcement.
A FED Type 1d made in about 1941, s/n 163243 with the top cover engraving appropriate for that time. The shutter speeds are "Z," 20, 30, 40, 60, 100, 200, and 500. The lens is a FED 1:3,5 F=50m/m collapsible lens, s/n 93156 and also stamped with 26 0 0 0, all on the inside of the lens mounting flange, with f-stops marked 3.5, 4.5, 6.3, 9, 12.5, and 18, and the focus markings range from infinity, 20, 10, 7, 5, 4, 3, 2.5, 2, 1.75, 1.5, 1.25, and ends with 1. The leather case is a very nice dark brown with the FED logo on the front raised circular part for the lens, and the back has two snaps.
The next camera is a KMZ black body ZENIT-EM with the MOSKVA 1980 Olympic Games logo, s/n 77081665, Made in USSR, shutter speeds B, 30-X, 60, 125, 250, and 500. The lens is a KMZ Helios-44M-4 2/58 in M42 mount, S/N 847261, f-stops 2-16, and focuses down to 0.5 Meter. The nice black leather case has a one snap closure on the back. Oddly enough, the case is fitted with a Nikon black Nylon webbing carrying or neck strap.
Both of these cameras came from an estate sale.
Enjoy;
Ralph
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Niko80
Austria
174 Posts |
Posted - Jul 24 2013 : 6:13:13 PM
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FED1a No#1233
Lens: #1276 / 14
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Edited by - Niko80 on Jul 26 2013 6:37:17 PM |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jul 26 2013 : 07:00:33 AM
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Historical and beautiful!
Congratulations!!
For the moment, I have nothing to show in this chapter. Except an early Contax II pre series, s/n Z 50387. In fact, the 387th ever made, with the ancient speed scale: 1/100th and 1/250th. I am rather on the Contax side, these last months...
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Edited by - Jacques M. on Jul 28 2013 11:59:25 AM |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 17 2013 : 07:40:28 AM
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Some news on that thread.
First, two Contaxes
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792013_4 new cameras 001.jpg
I already spoke of the left one, made in 1935, a Z pre serie in a bad condition. But how rare to discover...
The other is a IIa P series, the first made in the West in 1949-50. The contemporary and cousin of our Kievs...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792013_4 new cameras 003.jpg
And two Feds. The left one is a "coloured" Leica fake, coppered rather than golden. In fact, a re-engraved 1f with a speed dial up to the 1/1000th. A touch of colour in that world in black and chrome!
The other is my last Fed S, a very early 1c except for the serial number which is in the 1a range. It belongs to these interesting cameras for which we don't exactly know why they have odd numbers.
Jacques.
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Niko80
Austria
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Posted - Sep 17 2013 : 11:16:28 AM
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Nice!
So the "Leica was made from a FED Zorki?
Can you give us some details on the FED-S? What about lens number and shutter cage material?
Does it have a number stamped in the shutter cage?
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 17 2013 : 11:58:54 AM
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Yes, the Leica is made from a Fed 1f, the lens is a "reformed" KMZ Industar 22. And the 1/1000th is here just for fun!
As for the Fed S (already in the wiki), it is a real 1c series. Shutter cage in brass, as it should, etc. All the features of an early 1c with the vulcanite common to the last 1b/early 1c. No number stamped on the shutter cage.
The lens has one of the last known serial numbers (33126/91-2) and seems perfectly normal.
Bill wonders if these cameras with odd serial numbers (2092 for this one) were not made specially for the police or the army. One hypothesis more! (If we have to speak of that, better use another thread).
Jacques. |
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Niko80
Austria
174 Posts |
Posted - Sep 18 2013 : 10:53:23 AM
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Thanks!
By the way - the wiki says lens #33128/91-2, which one is correct?
xx28 or xx26?
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Chritian |
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Jacques M.
France
2599 Posts |
Posted - Sep 18 2013 : 11:34:07 AM
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28! 
Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Oct 18 2013 : 12:34:43 PM
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Just arrived today. I think this is a REAL rarity: It's a SK 1:2 F=8,5cm from 1948 with serial number 000038! It looks really good, works smooth (no Jupiter 9 I have is so smooth) and it has a chromed surface! I think it's the PT7005 (see http://sovietcams.com/index.php?-229548952).
Here are some pictures:
Here are two pictures compared to a 1959 Jupiter 9.
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Oct 19 2013 : 6:35:17 PM
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And here is a picture I took with the SK lens at aperture 4 with my Pentax Q. The Q has crop factor 5.5, so it seems to be like a 467mm lens :-)
This one is wide open. It is really soft wide open.
The same with aperture 4. Sharp :-)
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Oct 20 2013 : 09:36:14 AM
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Really a wonderful discovery! Just what I was looking for, more or less... Congratulations, Ulrich!
These animals are really rare, more than the corresponding Zeiss Sonnars.
Have you had a look at the back to see the Zeiss number?
Here is an interesting sport finder: I had not found one till now...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/20102013_finder 002.jpg
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
834 Posts
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Posted - Oct 20 2013 : 11:54:16 AM
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Jacques,
thanks. The lens barrel came out very easy. It has internal Zeiss number 847577, so it comes from a batch of 498 pieces made with the lens formula from 16.1.1939. Thiele has no date for it, but the batch before this one (with only 2 lenses!) was built on 01.07.1946.
The sports finder looks cool. I have never seen oe before for the FED.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Oct 20 2013 : 12:06:01 PM
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Jacques,
I have told you some times ago of the 1948 Sonnar 2/85 I had (and which I idiot have sold ...) The Sonnar has serial number 2847596. So only 19 numbers away!
And this gives a question. Were the 2/85 M39-Sonnars built in the same factory as the early SK lenses? I think that there is a big possibility. Why should the stock of lens barrels be split in 2 parts? One part stays in Jena, one goes to USSR? I don't think so. Both lenses were made at Jena or Saalfeld or both were made in the USSR. What do you think?
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Oct 20 2013 : 2:43:19 PM
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Ulrich,
For this batch, the date of delivery is missing in the Thiele.
Very probably, the whole batch, with some finished lenses and parts were sent to KMZ. The finished ones were used as is or sold. The other ones gradually mounted with KMZ parts.
Another example. In the same batch of 5000 1,5/5cm Sonnars delivered in december 1945 (s/n 285xxxx to 286xxxx), we can find true Zeiss Sonnars, ZK ones, and even Jupiter 3... I suppose it depends on the spare available parts. I even own one of them with a 1974 KMZ number...! It works perfectly.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacek
Omega
France
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
834 Posts
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Posted - Feb 15 2014 : 07:43:31 AM
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Some new stuff I have found in the last time :-)
First that really rare FED 1654-1954. I found it on eBay, it was not well described, so I got it together with a NKVD FED 1c for a bargain.
There is an interesting thing, it has an additional 5 digits serial number under the top plate, see below:
The next one is a Zorki Zorki 1c with double serial number, one on the top plate and one on the back. Both serial are only about 7000 numbers away from each other. Could it be that they were sold this way with two serials?
The third one is a rare Jupier 12 lens from 1951 which has a different barrel than other Jupiter 12 lenses I know. According to Aidas site it seems to be PT815, see here: http://sovietcams.com/index.php?1710426317
I have disassembled it and have not found any Zeiss serial numbers inside.
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 15 2014 : 08:47:55 AM
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Bravo!
For your Jup 12, I have two ones.
A 1952, which is a Biogon with Zeiss numbers. And a 1951 one, which is not, like yours. My two ones with the new barrel and yours with the former barrel.
Difficult to understand!
Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 19 2014 : 09:22:19 AM
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Jacques,
yes, that sounds strange with your J-12's. It would be interesting when Zeiss glasses were used for the last time in Jupiter lenses. A 1951 J-3 I own has Zeiss glasses inside.
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 19 2014 : 09:37:32 AM
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I fear that no one knows exactly how KMZ used the stock of Zeiss material...
Probably they find out after some pieces they re used. My 1952 J12 would be in that case. I even have a 1974 J3 with Zeiss numbers . Certainly a question of repair...
I often ask eBay sellers about their ZKs, BKs and very early Jup: Zeiss numbers or not? By their answers, it seems that Zeiss glass parts could have disappeared first with the J8, then J11, J9, J12 and J3. But there is nothing sure...
Jacques. |
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levonsa
levonsa
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
590 Posts |
Posted - Apr 02 2014 : 04:41:57 AM
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Very nice, but why do you need four? Isn't enough to have one of them?
Aleksey, could you list the s/n of cameras, please? Are they all with 1/1000?
Regards, Alexander |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Apr 02 2014 : 09:41:02 AM
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Impressive!
But I must say that I share Alexander's opinion. Unless cameras and finders are different, of course...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Posted - Apr 02 2014 : 4:30:55 PM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Apr 03 2014 : 04:44:26 AM
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The sport finders are different? I did not know there were different series...
Perhaps you could open a special thread to show us some détails of these finders? It would be great...
Thanks, Alexey. Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Apr 07 2014 : 3:27:02 PM
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I have just bought my latest Fed S: an early NKVD c-S below s/n 60000. In fact, with the late 1b/early 1c vulcanite.
Probably it will be the last. When I began collecting Feds, some years ago, I was particularly interested by these S-s because of their particularities. But now, they become difficult to find and to buy...
Jacques. |
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Niko80
Austria
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Posted - Apr 07 2014 : 4:23:38 PM
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Jacques, have you added the serial to the wiki?
Lens/camera serial pairs this low would be very interesting. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Apr 08 2014 : 05:43:00 AM
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Just done for the camera.
It will be done for the lens as soon as I receive all that.
Jacques. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Apr 10 2014 : 08:16:56 AM
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So, here is this last Fed S, early NKVD c type with the caracteristic vulcanite:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1042014_DSCF1628.JPG
Serial number of the lens: 21446, which seems correct.
The infinity button has not yet found its right place, at 8 o'clock...
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Niko80
Austria
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Posted - Apr 10 2014 : 2:33:49 PM
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Nice!
I'll update the statistics when I find the time. |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
590 Posts |
Posted - May 05 2014 : 06:59:51 AM
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Wow! Congratulation, Vlad!
It is a really nice find! My chances to find this camera decreased again 
Regards, Alexander |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - May 05 2014 : 1:16:28 PM
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Thank you Alexander. I guess I just got very lucky.. and to find this in United States too!
Cheers,
Vlad |
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Jacques M.
France
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Aug 01 2014 : 08:07:44 AM
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I have received this morning a Fed 1e equipped with a Sonnar...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/182014_DSCF1667.JPG
A Sonnar "home converted" from a Contax mount with a rear Fed ring (number 169933). Very well made: all is perfectly adjusted.
I love these cameras which were improved by their owners. The 1.5/5cm Sonnars were really the best lenses at that time. This one was delivered at the end of the war and is contemporaneous with the body.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Aug 02 2014 : 03:03:11 AM
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Much interesting!
I did not know either that Fed had made such sets.
Dated from 1980, if I read correctly?
That would explain a filmoscope, already seen for sale on eBay, declared made by Fed by the seller...
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Milo Schekkerman
Valkir1987
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Posted - Aug 04 2014 : 2:46:00 PM
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Here's something that arrived today from Ukraine: A childrens optics constructor set made by FED with which you can make a lens, microscope, filmoscope, telescope and a spotting scope. Never seen anything like that before so I bought it
Very Nice! There is a set from east- Germany known as 'Optik Baukasten' or 'Optik Montage Experiment' quite common.
Old-Stock pieces where sold in the nineties as well.
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Jacques M.
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 01 2014 : 10:37:47 AM
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Another picture of the same early Jupiter 11.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/192014_DSCF1676.JPG
It shows the open "4" and the two screws which are typical of the LTM Sonnars and ZK. This Jup 12 is not an "ante dated" Jup, like some we can see on eBay...
Jacques.
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Fred_L
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - Sep 24 2014 : 4:13:01 PM
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Congratulation, Fred!
Very nice FEDs. I find a little strange, that the 7xxx one has no flash shoe. It is uncommon for such serial number.
Regards, Alexander |
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Fred_L
France
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Posted - Sep 24 2014 : 4:16:11 PM
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Thank you Alexander!
I have no explaination about this flash shoe missing.. Maybe be Jacques has an idea?
Fred |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Sep 24 2014 : 4:47:45 PM
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Great acquisitions Fred, congratulations! I see you've been very active purchasing stuff lately
Cheers,
Vlad. |
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David Beale
david03
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Posted - Sep 25 2014 : 08:08:50 AM
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Regarding the photos of the Feds that Fred has posted and the query about the missing flash shoe on the 7XXX serial number Fed - I have a similar serial number (26 cameras earlier in the production run, at 7143). On mine, the three screws are present for the flash shoe but there is no shoe on the camera. As far as I can tell, I don't think it looks as if it's been removed by anyone who owned the camera. You guys are much more on top of this kind of debate than I am but I just wondered if with these early Fed 1b's the decision had already been made to install the flash shoe but for whatever reason there was an initial problem actually doing it with the first few 1b's. What do you think?
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 25 2014 : 08:41:41 AM
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Waow!
I absolutely love your Fed 1a, Fred!
One feels the incertainty of the period, the difficulty to make a Leica looking camera with a metallurgy not yet at its best... Please, don't clean it too much! But you do what you want, of course!
Concerning the shoe, there were some hundreds of 1b which were made without. It seems that Fed had not the machine tools which allowed to produce these cornered parts. Just the same for the 1a before. I own the s/n 7122 and 7373 which don't have it. Certainly, some users have it put on their cameras after.
A bit surprised by the position of the 2/50 lens on your S, Fred. What is the s/n of the lens? If it is too far from the lens one (lens in the 20/22000, for example), it could be an explanation.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 25 2014 : 10:47:51 AM
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About the 2/50 lens, the s/n (29974, I hadn't seen it)corresponds with the s/n of the body (147763). Cf Christian's graphs:
http://ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2353
So, I have no evident explanation. An old lensplate originally mounted on the body? A mix of parts during repairs?
Concerning your Fed 1a, you have now to offer a one-turn lens to your body!
Jacques. |
Edited by - Jacques M. on Sep 25 2014 11:11:11 AM |
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Posted - Sep 25 2014 : 1:23:51 PM
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Hello!
Fred! You have a great camera FED ¹7169. It is a pity that the lens is a little late and complies with FED snakeskin finish.
The earliest FED sled ¹7891 / Molotok 2012 /
Alexander you worried for nothing! FED ¹7169 gorgeous!
My congratulations !!! |
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 26 2014 : 08:59:53 AM
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Hi Alexey!
Nice to see you here!
Do you have an idea about the wrong position of the 2/50mm lens? A problem of lensplate? But, normally, there is a hollow behind which allows to place it in the right position, against the upper plate...
An interesting question!
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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levonsa
levonsa
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Posted - Sep 26 2014 : 12:28:07 PM
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Jacques hello!
Seat ring, which stands in the chamera is not the same threaded lens ¹29974. When set to "1" hour leash even closes the viewfinder! It should not be! And the number ¹29974 does not quite match the camera FED ¹147763. According to our data is more suitable ¹32.000-33.000.
Jacques thanks for asking! |
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 26 2014 : 3:39:49 PM
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32/33000 for a body s/n 147763? Not sure.
32/33000 are the last 2/50mm lenses. But there will be many S-s after the 147xxx...
These last lenses would be more suitable for e-Berdsk bodies, I think... Though there is some dispersion in these numbers.
I rather think that the "seat ring" (= lensplate) is not the good one. Or was turned after repair.
Amitiés à toi. Jacques.
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Fred_L
France
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Posted - Sep 27 2014 : 05:25:40 AM
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Jacques
I have removed the lens plate
I supposed it has been mounted with 1/4 more turn after servicing.
But it is in good position.....
Fred |
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Jacques M.
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Jacek
Omega
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jed
France
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Posted - Nov 09 2014 : 2:32:54 PM
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Hi Fred !
Weird - I've never seen a Jupiter 8M like this !
I also have bought some curious Kiev items : a 1956 Kiev 4A and a 1963 Jupiter 8 (KMZ logo !). |
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SteveA
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Posted - Nov 10 2014 : 10:41:08 AM
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There could be a simpler explanation - I once bought a START camera which had been sat in a shop window in direct sunlight for a long time - the black paint in the lens front had been bleached to a grey/brownish colour - maybe the same issue here?
Cheers,
Steve |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Dec 16 2014 : 4:26:17 PM
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A lot of new things in this thread. The early FED 1 is amazing, I wish, I could find such an old one :-)
Here are my latest finds:
An universal finder with cyrillic engravings, I have never seen one before:
A white faced rigid Industar 22 in very good condition. I think they are more rare than the black faced ones.
And at least a nice find for a bargain, a Zenit Junior with original leather case :-)
Ulrich
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Dec 18 2014 : 2:41:29 PM
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Ulrich: I wonder how you can have such beautiful photos! I am jealous...
I own one of these "white" rigid lenses: no doubt they are rarer than the "black" ones.
Alexey: once more time, you are a conjurer! These completely black rigid I 22 come from your hat? They were made specially for you?
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
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Posted - Dec 18 2014 : 2:59:55 PM
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Hello Ulrich
quote:
Originally posted by uwittehh
A white faced rigid Industar 22 in very good condition. I think they are more rare than the black faced ones.
Yes, they are. I only found them in s/n ranges 5000xxx and 5002xxx only up today. Princelle says there are only 2000 IIRC, maybe even less at my observation.
The black faced ones are made in the 5000xxx series too, but goes from 1950 to 1953.
Best wishes - Guido |
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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
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Posted - Dec 18 2014 : 3:05:59 PM
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Hello Jacques
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.
Alexey: once more time, you are a conjurer! These completely black rigid I 22 come from your hat? They were made specially for you?
Just for my understanding: It's an ironic comment? First point: The design is not the same as the other rigid I-22 I know, second one: Black lenses are made much later by KMZ as far as I know.
Best wishes - Guido
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Dec 18 2014 : 3:24:03 PM
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No Guido! And Alexey, of course!
It is not ironic!
I am just amazed to see all the marvels that Alexey can show. For example, these two black rigid Industar 22. Really, I did not think they could exist.
But are they really original?
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
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Posted - Dec 18 2014 : 3:44:26 PM
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Hello Jacques
Oh, sorry for asking! How could I even be so doubtful?!
Best wishes - Guido
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Dec 19 2014 : 07:03:09 AM
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A very early version with a different design, as Guido says.
Thanks, Alexey.
Are there other very early KMZ products which can have been made in black by the factory? Zorki 1, 3...?
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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okynek
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Posted - Dec 19 2014 : 09:54:35 AM
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| Never mind the lens, what about camera! What is the history of the nameplate? Is it original? Prototype? Special order? |
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Dec 19 2014 : 4:15:46 PM
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Hi Alexey,
There is a difference in the back trapezoïdal part (with the meter scale) between the black rigid early I22 and the "white" ones. This back part is more important, higher on the white lenses. I just wonder why.
Jacques. |
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Lenny
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Posted - Dec 19 2014 : 4:42:12 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.
Are there other very early KMZ products which can have been made in black by the factory? Zorki 1, 3...?
You really have to wonder about these totally black I-22, for which camera they were produced. I assume the first two digits mark the year, so 1950. Could it be KMZ produced this totally black I-22 for another brand than Zorki?
What kind of black is this coating? Is it chrom too? And which coating would be cheaper to produce? |
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Posted - Dec 20 2014 : 09:46:30 AM
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Hello everyone!
Jacques! You have a fantastic sight! You're on photographs found differences, and I held in my hands lenses and did not pay attention to it!
What can I say turner? He did not create one my order ?! Let remake?
Black I-22 stood at Zorki/Çîðêèé ¹36õõõ. I have met stiff and I-22 at the cameras with a double name Zorki/Çîðêèé. I think that is the development of lenses for export.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/20122014__MG_3359.JPG
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Posted - Dec 20 2014 : 09:51:57 AM
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| I forgot to thank Ulrich! Ulrich, I also really like your pictures! Very professional! What lens do you use? |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Dec 21 2014 : 3:02:25 PM
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Wow, what rarities. I have never seen total black rigid Industar 22 too. And no Zorki 6 prototype. Wonderful finds.
So Princelle seems not to be right when he writes that white faced and black faced ones are both made in the quantity of 2000 each.
But what about the finder? I have never seen one with cyrillic engravings before. I only know them without or with MADE IN USSR engravings. And I have/had a lot of them :-)
Jacques and levonsa, you mean the pictures here? I have used a Pentax K-5II and a Pentax 16-50/2,8 lens and developed them with lightroom. But what is so special with the pictures? :-)
Ulrich
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Brian
USA
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Posted - Jan 15 2015 : 3:15:53 PM
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Bought a 1950 KMZ J-3, advertised as way off and fit for use on a mirrorless camera. It was off my 2m at 5m, and the optical fixture was glued into place. 6 hours in acetone. Popped all the glass out of it.
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The serial number on the rear fixture shows it to be from a 1943 Zeiss lens. The Tap shows that it was originally finished in Contax mount.
The focus mount is from a ZOMZ J-3, has three setscrews for holding the helical into the mount.
There were a total of Five (!) taps for the guide pins. I'm glass I scribed the correct set before taking out the guide pins.
This was a long-job, 6 hours in acetone and a lot of cleaning loosened paint and glue out of the helical.
Added a 0.48mm Shim and moved the rear module in slightly.
It was worth it, one of the sharpest J-3/Sonnars that I have ever used.
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 20 2015 : 07:28:08 AM
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Really, I admire what you are able to do with Sonnars, Brian...
When you talk of "tap" ( The Tap shows that it was originally finished in Contax mount.), what do you mean exactly?
Jacques.
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