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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Fred_L
France
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4212 Posts
My Collection
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 Posted - Sep 04 2012 : 7:37:01 PM
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Very nice buy Fred, these are pretty uncommon, especially with original box!
By the way I love opening this thread every time because the very first post if made by Alain Berry, it's just a great feeling seeing his name every time.. I really miss his posts on this forum and this seems like it's keeping his legacy alive. Sorry for sentimental off-topic..
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Michel
France
217 Posts |
Posted - Sep 05 2012 : 03:45:29 AM
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Hi Vlad,
Thanks for quoting Alain's legacy.
Here, in France, some USSR camera collectors have the same feeling as yours…
And, no, it's not "off topic".
Many thanks again.
Michel. |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Sep 05 2012 : 05:13:57 AM
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Alain's memory is one of the reasons why I often post in this topic. Three years ago, now...
Edit: two years. Sorry.
Jacques. |
Edited by - Jacques M. on Sep 17 2012 09:46:29 AM |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 17 2012 : 09:45:21 AM
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A new and curious lens here.
In fact, a screw mount Jupiter 3 for the outside, and a the barrel of a Sonnar inside, each with its serial number: 741087 for KMZ and (2)860843 (so probably made in 1946) for Zeiss.
I have found it on eBay, you probably had seen it. I could not resist...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792012_jup-sonnar 001.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792012_jup-sonnar 003.jpg
The plausible explanation: the barrel and its lenses had been sent to Kiev as war spoil. For some reason, it was only re-discovered some years after and dressed with KMZ clothes.
Unless you have other ideas?
Amitiés. Jacques.
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zhang
Kievuser
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Sep 28 2012 : 11:49:34 AM
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Hi Zhang!
I dismounted some of my S-s and one 1e.
They all had that hole.
I am going to look at an early 1c to be sure.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Brian
USA
67 Posts |
Posted - Sep 28 2012 : 6:51:03 PM
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On the curious KMZ/Zeiss J-3, looks a lot like mine.
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030915792/] [/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030915792/]J-3, Zeiss SN[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/73370230@N08/]anachronist1[/url], on Flickr
The Serial Number puts it at April 1945. The front ring puts it at a 1950 KMZ.
I picked up a 1950 KMZ Jupiter-3 in Contax/Kiev mount, looked unused. The focal length was much too short for a Contax and a Leica, I lenghtened it and put into a Leica focus mount. The glass on mine was perfect, probably because it was unused. Sewing thread was wrapped around the threads to keep it into the Contax/Kiev mount, no shims. I think it was assembly practice, and was never used.
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030920517/] [/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030920517/]1950 KMZ J-3[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/73370230@N08/]anachronist1[/url], on Flickr
Wide-Open on the M9:
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/7990167605/] [/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/7990167605/]Burke Lake[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/73370230@N08/]anachronist1[/url], on Flickr
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Jacgues- If the front element on yours has a yellow cast, I would guess that it has been replaced- hence the 1974 namering. The front elements on the newer lenses work quite well on the older KMZ and Zeiss lenses. The black Screwmount focus mount: yours could have been in Contax/Kiev like mine was originally. |
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zhang
Kievuser
310 Posts |
Posted - Sep 29 2012 : 02:05:42 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.
Hi Zhang!
I dismounted some of my S-s and one 1e.
They all had that hole.
I am going to look at an early 1c to be sure.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Hi Jacques,
Thanks for your reply! I have also checked an earlier Fed-1 s/n 8xxxxx that has no such holes. I will check a few more when I got time.
Cheers,
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Sep 29 2012 : 05:43:21 AM
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Thanks Brian! And congrats for your work on your lens!
In fact, on my lens, the front metallic element had a black colour. The yellow comes from brass. I have a Jup 3 with the same front element where brass is visible under black.
As far as I know, all (most of?) the original late wartime 1,5 Sonnars have a metallic external chrome/internal black front element, like this one:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2992012_Sonnar 1,5 wartime 004.jpg
When Sonnars were sent to Kiev, probably the metallic head was not used, and the reengravings (ZK, then Jupiter) were made on a special brass element. Hence this completely black element we find too on the Jupiter 3.
Here, we only speak of 1,5 Sonnars towards 1,5 ZK (scarce!) and Jupiter 3. The 2/5cm lenses are another matter.
But I must confess that I am not sure of anything... I walk on eggs!
If we continue this discussion, perhaps we could open a special thread?
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Sep 30 2012 : 07:49:01 AM
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Great new items here to see :-)
As I remember my FED Berdsk also have the hole. And there are a lot of FED leather bags existing which have space for an additional slow speed dial on the front.
Here is my newest find, an ultra rare Contax III with engraving "Allemagne S.I." (S.I. stands for Societe Ikonta) on the rewind dial. The 1,5/50 Sonnar is not the original one but I think it looks better with it :-) It comes with a standard 2,0/50 Sonnar. After cleaning it and refreshing the leather a bit it looks really great.
Ulrich
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Brian
USA
67 Posts |
Posted - Oct 05 2012 : 9:24:39 PM
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On the Sonnar/J-3 with the 741084 namering: is the coating of the lens element yellow or blue? A yellow color would mean it had been replaced. I've done this with a couple of KMZ J-3's, with great results.
I've been taking apart some J-3's and Sonnars to get some insight on the optical design. I will post a thread on the findings. Mostly, concerns using the J-8 and J-3 on a Leica across the focus range wide-open. |
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jed
France
391 Posts
My Collection
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Oct 21 2012 : 09:04:32 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian
On the Sonnar/J-3 with the 741084 namering: is the coating of the lens element yellow or blue? A yellow color would mean it had been replaced. I've done this with a couple of KMZ J-3's, with great results.
You are right, Brian.
The coating is yellow, like on my 1951 Jupiter 3.
Very probably, the first optical element was changed. So, it is a KMZ-Sonnar and not a Sonnar-KMZ!
I should have pictures from it in a while and will post one or two.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Dec 07 2012 : 5:24:22 PM
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Newest find this week: A nearly complete Kiev 15 TEE set, only instruction booklet is missing. A Kiev 15 TEE with Helios 81 and Jupiter 9 (in box), lens caps, filters, lens hood, leather bag, eye piece and the rare Zenit-M39 adapter. It was made in 1978 and it works very well. It has an interesting shutter mechanism.
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Jan 18 2013 : 08:00:51 AM
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I have just received a Fed 1 more...
In fact, rather a Fed reingraved Leica.
Not in very good condition, but it has lived and certainly took many pictures...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1812013_Fed 1d - Leica 002.jpg
More interesting: it came with a genuine Leica from 1939, by the serial number. And the body and the lens were regulated together: there is a shim between the shutter box and the body.
As I can see, the body should be a 1d, serial # between c. 100000-150000. So, body and lens could be contemporaneous. All a story to (re)write!
Amitiés. Jacques.
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esomax
Russia
10 Posts |
Posted - Feb 06 2013 : 11:34:12 AM
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No name - number 011118 LOMO
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
580 Posts |
Posted - Feb 06 2013 : 2:20:29 PM
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Hi,
the name plate seems to be lost. I am not sure, that it is the no-name camera.
You have already the manifacturer name (LOMO) on the lens.
Regards, Alexander |
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esomax
Russia
10 Posts |
Posted - Feb 06 2013 : 4:08:02 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by AlexanderK
Hi,
the name plate seems to be lost. I am not sure, that it is the no-name camera.
You have already the manifacturer name (LOMO) on the lens.
Regards, Alexander
Nothing is lost. Inserted a metal plate. Possible to write - LUNA
The background the camera written body sticker for distributors.
See link - http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?784016222
Model - PK1420
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Ralph J
USA
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Posted - Feb 28 2013 : 10:41:45 AM
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Good morning;
One of the local camera pushers surprised me. He had a Kiev-60 sitting in a cardboard box in an unusual location in his shop, but I did see it and recognized it. I began making inquiries. It took a while.
This particular Kiev-60 with the Volna-3C P-6 Mount lens had been sold used to a purchaser a couple of months ago. I have not any sort of idea on how they obtained it originally. Well, two months later, it began to have problems, and the purchaser brought it back to them. This is where I came in and saw it.
So, the mirror goes up and the shutter runs when the film advance lever is swinging back on its return stroke. The TTL Light Meter in the Pentaprism does not work, but it does have the adapter tube in it for holding the 357 batteries. The Waist Level Viewfinder is warped a little and does not come up very well to viewing position. These are the main things I have seen so far.
But it does have the accessory ISO flash shoe mount on the left front of the camera, and it came with the 20mm and 40mm P-6 Extension Tubes.
I probably paid too much for it in this condition, but it is still a lot less than some of the things I was required to pay for in the past for which I received absolutely nothing. I am happy to have a sample of the fully recognized and labeled Kiev-60 in stock. And it will be sent out for the needed repairs and CLA.
So, the Zavod Kyiv (Kiev Arsenal) Medium Format 120 Roll Film camera bodies are complete.
Now there is only the Mir-26 or the rare Mir-69 45mm f:3.5 Wide Angle lens to be found. Optically these lenses seem to be very similar; both of them have noticeable barrel distortion and usually show some chromatic aberration. Usually this is a problem of lens design, and not a quality control or manufacturing defect or lens sample-to-sample variation that can be corrected at a later time. Sorry. That is main reason why I had chosen not to get that particular lens, the 45mm f:3.5 wide angle lens, for my use. But now it looks like I may need to get one for a slightly different purpose.
Enjoy;
Ralph
Latte Land, Washington
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S.H.
France
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Mar 04 2013 : 11:40:16 AM
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Special congrats for your ZK!
Yes, collapsible ones are rare. More: this one is one of the last (by my datas) before Jupiter 8 (with ears).
Of course, it is much easier to fake a rigid ZK than a collapsible one: Jup parts are much more common than Sonnar ones... But certainly it doesn't explain completely the rarity of the collapsible ZK.
I would be interested to have the Zeiss serial number of your Jup 3 for my datas.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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S.H.
France
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Posted - Mar 04 2013 : 1:36:48 PM
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Thanks! For some reason, the same collector sold a 1950 Kiev II + rigid ZK for twice the price of mine, the eBay auction went much higher; but it has box and papers. Seems like the III is less valued. Strange, as I thought it was produced in smaller numbers.
My J-3 (PT2020 in sovietcams page) has the soviet s/n 5001482 and the Zeiss s/n 862023 (stands for 2862023) on the rear. Thiele's book says it was produced at the end of 1945, no camera mount is listed so it was probably made without mount at the Zeiss factory to be shipped in the USSR later.
What are the s/n number range for collapsible ZK? |
Edited by - S.H. on Mar 04 2013 1:42:45 PM |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Mar 04 2013 : 3:03:47 PM
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Impossible to answer your question precisely.
It seems there is no real correlation between Zeiss s/n ranges and ZK ones... Exactly as if KMZ had picked "by chance" a Zeiss lens in a board to convert it into a ZK. Or to let it live as a Zeiss, with changing the flange (M rather than m). And at the same time, or almost, producing their own optical parts and bodies...
I have for example a Jupiter 12/Biogon with has a 1952 KMZ serial number and a 1943 optical Zeiss one (18/03/43 by Thiele. And a 1951 Jupiter 12 which is a Jupiter 12, and nothing else...
All I say is for wartime LTM lenses. We must keep in mind that pure original LTM lenses are probably rare. Fakes are certainly less numerous that one think. Most of LTM lenses we see on eBay are probably "reconstructed". When? Impossible to know. As for the Contax/Kiev mount, things are probably much more simple, except for those "rigid" 2/5cm ZK-s: original or fake?
If you are interested, I can send you my datas about Kiev cameras and their lens from 1947 to 1950. I had some more precise datas about lenses, but they were lost by my computer.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
Edited by - Jacques M. on Mar 04 2013 3:06:54 PM |
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S.H.
France
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Posted - Mar 04 2013 : 3:27:20 PM
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Well, thanks, it would be nice to have some data about soviet lenses. My email should be in my profile.
For wartime LTM lenses : I have three of them. One is a wartime Biogon (true Zeiss lens), one is a wartime Sonnar 1.5 in a very strange barrel (not at all like a J3 or other Zeiss lenses), one is a wartime Sonnar 8.5cm in an aluminium barrel like the earliest J-9, but with strange unfinished markings.
I can post pictures here if you are interested.
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Exactly as if KMZ had picked "by chance" a Zeiss lens in a board to convert it into a ZK. Or to let it live as a Zeiss, with changing the flange (M rather than m). And at the same time, or almost, producing their own optical parts and bodies.
They had perhaps parallel lines running, some with German parts, some with Soviet parts, and technicians learning and going from one to another? |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Mar 05 2013 : 04:06:18 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by S.H.
They had perhaps parallel lines running, some with German parts, some with Soviet parts, and technicians learning and going from one to another?
History is known, at least partly, thanks to Kuc, Otto, the Zeiss Society and some others.
But when I have a LTM wartime Sonnar in hands, generally I cannot say precisely where and by whom it was made! Nor when it was converted!
I will put my data about Kiev/ZK serial numbers in the wiki.
Jacques. |
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts |
Posted - Mar 08 2013 : 12:24:21 PM
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a wartime 1,5 with a strange barrel... that sounds interesting ? send a picture
There is a small number of lenses with very bizarre (not zeiss, not russian) engravings... and diamond shaped instead of lines drilleds rings.
as for late or early zeiss or zk lens, I own one of the latest pre ZK lens, a collapsible 5cm/f2 T n° 2936226
Stephan |
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S.H.
France
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Mar 09 2013 : 10:20:52 AM
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Very interesting!
So, the rear cam turns when regulating the distance?
If not, how does that work?
Jacques. |
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S.H.
France
28 Posts |
Posted - Mar 09 2013 : 12:42:27 PM
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| Yes, it turns. It is threaded into the mount, not smooth. |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 11 2013 : 11:02:12 AM
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http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132013_OlympicFlash.JPG
Jelektronika 85-22 "Olympic" flashlight, and with automatic exposure. So even flaslights were made with the special symbol 
Original price 60 rubles 50 kopeka, yesterday one euro 
Best regards,
Juhani |
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S.H.
France
28 Posts |
Posted - Mar 23 2013 : 04:18:22 AM
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Hello,
while drinking my morning coffee, I just found a "no name" 1964 Kiev on the auction site :
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2332013_$T2eC16hHJGQE9noMcSRJBRTUs3uCB!~~60_12.JPG
It was described as a regular Kiev (no mention of a "no name" or of the Contax), and sold at the same price than other regular Kievs, so I'll bet it is real. The seller was Ukrainian. It will probably need a good cleaning, I also do not think it will work dependably but it is a nice cheap addition to my Contax lineup.
Some sources say 5000 - 6000 were produced, but they seem to came up regularly, no? |
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G.Franco Giordano
Francesco
Italy
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
My Collection
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G.Franco Giordano
Francesco
Italy
35 Posts |
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Niko80
Austria
174 Posts |
Posted - May 02 2013 : 4:37:02 PM
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Well, not exactly "just arrived", but stil quite nice:
My FED-S collection
FED-S/c No.69929 with engraving error ("X" missing)
Lens No.22495
FED-S/d No.2570 with "numbering error" (?)
Lens No.25237
FED-S/e No. 174119 (quite normal)
Lens No.32763
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FED-S/c No.70883 from Aidas, the camera I use for photography
Lens No.22506
FED 28mm f/4.5 lens No.45964
FED 100mm f/6.3 lens No.34069 with finder (unnumbered)
100mm No.34069 + finder, 50mm macro No.13923 and 28mm No.45964 lenses
All my different prewar FED lenses and accessories:
Top row:
self-timer, leather case for light meter, yellow filters, right angle finder
Mid row:
leather case for 100mm f/6.3 lens, light meter, cardboard case for 28mm f/4.5 lens
Bottom row:
100mm f/6.3 lens with finder, 50mm f/3.5 macro lens, 28mm f/4.5 lens
Except for the light meter (the selenium cell died) all the accessories work fine. Lenses have been collimated for use with FED-S No.70883
I also have some "normal" (yet unusual) prewar FED1 cameras, will post them here as soon as I find the time!
Regards,
Christian |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - May 03 2013 : 04:35:46 AM
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Waouh!
Don't tell me you bought all that at the same time!
I have a good collection of Fed 1, but it took 5 or 6 years to me.
I use normally a Fed S too. Now, a 16xxxxx 1d, previously a 67xxx 1c. I find my 1d perfect as a user: it has a marvelous rangefinder. But I changed the lenses by wartime Zeiss lenses...
Congratulation for your collection!
Jacques. |
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G.Franco Giordano
Francesco
Italy
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - May 03 2013 : 09:51:17 AM
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Wow!
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Niko80
Austria
174 Posts |
Posted - May 03 2013 : 10:37:44 AM
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No, not at the same time but within the last 3 years.
When I came to this forum all I wanted was a FED1 for photography since I inherited a non-working FED1c from my grandfather (more about that soon).
Now I have 8 cameras and all these accessories, I guess things got a little out of hand...
Regards,
Christian |
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
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Archive59
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - May 03 2013 : 6:20:52 PM
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I was always under the impression that these lens are intended for use on an enlarger, but I could be wrong.
Cheers,
Mark |
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
27 Posts |
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G.Franco Giordano
Francesco
Italy
35 Posts |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 12:28:11 AM
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Great find, Jimmy.
Actually Italy is a good market for FSU cameras. Furthermore, in these days prices are very good because of the crisis. I'm positive you'll find many other stuff in Italy.
Regards.
Francesco
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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
28 Posts |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 05:48:23 AM
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Only is he's not in competition with me.
frendly
Vittorio |
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
27 Posts |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 11:17:16 AM
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Thank you,Francesco. The price was quite reasonable.
I'm afraid Vittorio has the advantage over me in the Italian market
But I shouldn't complain. Sometimes I run across very good deals here in the US.
JimmyB |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4212 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - May 05 2013 : 9:55:26 PM
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| The export version has very uncommon lens - the rigid Industar-22, nice buy! |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - May 06 2013 : 06:46:50 AM
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| FOTON is a great find!!! |
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just arrived in my collection
