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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
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 Posted - May 06 2013 : 11:32:25 AM
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Leica cameras and lenses are less expensive in Usa than in Italy. Russian not. For an Italian buyer the problem is custom taxation for cameras from Usa (approximately 25%).
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Vittorio |
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
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Posted - May 06 2013 : 6:59:40 PM
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Vlad, the lense caught my eye and that it was on an export version made it nicer-the Ebay seller spoke no English and I speak no Italian! I was happy to get this one for sure.
Wow, that is expensive Vittorio. That would really raise the cost. What happens if you receive an item from someone in the US as a gift? Would there still be a tax? I'm thinking you might make an arrangement where you could have someone in the US purchase a camera and then send it to you.That might save some money, especially on a very expensive item.
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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
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Posted - May 07 2013 : 07:50:29 AM
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Normally, Italian Custom does not believe the word "Gift" and applies the tax.Sometime, rarely they accept.
Regards
Vittorio
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - May 07 2013 : 11:56:24 AM
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Not only Italian, German customs doesn't believe it as well and you have to prove it, that it came from your "uncle" or "friend"  .
Tax is 19%.
Regards, Alexander |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 07 2013 : 2:28:16 PM
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All the same here, from a non CEE country.
Sometimes nothing. It's rare! Most times 22,5% of VAT from USA. Not nothing, when buying for example a genuine (happily!) Fed-Zorki at about 550€ and the main customs of Charles de Gaulle Airport phone and ask if you are OK to pay 140 euros more, as taxes include shipping... |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2013 : 02:50:07 AM
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I have just the same (but s/n 05159), with the 1/500th too, but without the flash plug.
Congrats, Martti!
Jacques. |
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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
28 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2013 : 12:24:53 PM
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I have the same n. 4993.
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Vittorio |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
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Posted - May 08 2013 : 12:58:18 PM
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02593 from 1948 and with 1/500s
Best regards,
Juhani |
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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
28 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2013 : 1:06:35 PM
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For completeness:
1948 1/1000th n.3209
1948 1/500th n.3828
1949 1/500th n.4993
Regards
Vittorio |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
27 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2013 : 6:05:40 PM
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Two very nice cameras,Martti!
JimmyB |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - May 09 2013 : 02:47:08 AM
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| Missing 1949 year "Zorki", without the cable release. |
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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
28 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2013 : 11:29:43 AM
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G.Franco Giordano
Francesco
Italy
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - May 13 2013 : 2:25:48 PM
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Originally posted by fotomuda
Missing 1949 year "Zorki", without the cable release.
I have one, s/n 6337.
But it was one of the most difficult to get...
Jacques. |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
My Collection
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Jacek
Omega
France
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
27 Posts |
Posted - Jun 16 2013 : 1:27:23 PM
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Fotomuda, what is the English translation of the words on the plate of the FK 13x18? My Russian is limited to only a few camera related words :)
it's great to see all these beautiful cameras in the hands of people who appreciate them.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Jun 16 2013 : 8:15:04 PM
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Ralph J
USA
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Posted - Jul 03 2013 : 9:50:57 PM
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Good morning;
There are two (2) "new" cameras to report: I am beginning to think that there is merit in taking photographs of them also to include with such an announcement.
A FED Type 1d made in about 1941, s/n 163243 with the top cover engraving appropriate for that time. The shutter speeds are "Z," 20, 30, 40, 60, 100, 200, and 500. The lens is a FED 1:3,5 F=50m/m collapsible lens, s/n 93156 and also stamped with 26 0 0 0, all on the inside of the lens mounting flange, with f-stops marked 3.5, 4.5, 6.3, 9, 12.5, and 18, and the focus markings range from infinity, 20, 10, 7, 5, 4, 3, 2.5, 2, 1.75, 1.5, 1.25, and ends with 1. The leather case is a very nice dark brown with the FED logo on the front raised circular part for the lens, and the back has two snaps.
The next camera is a KMZ black body ZENIT-EM with the MOSKVA 1980 Olympic Games logo, s/n 77081665, Made in USSR, shutter speeds B, 30-X, 60, 125, 250, and 500. The lens is a KMZ Helios-44M-4 2/58 in M42 mount, S/N 847261, f-stops 2-16, and focuses down to 0.5 Meter. The nice black leather case has a one snap closure on the back. Oddly enough, the case is fitted with a Nikon black Nylon webbing carrying or neck strap.
Both of these cameras came from an estate sale.
Enjoy;
Ralph
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Edited by - Ralph J on Jul 03 2013 10:03:39 PM |
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Niko80
Austria
174 Posts |
Posted - Jul 24 2013 : 6:13:13 PM
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FED1a No#1233
Lens: #1276 / 14
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Edited by - Niko80 on Jul 26 2013 6:37:17 PM |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Jul 26 2013 : 07:00:33 AM
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Historical and beautiful!
Congratulations!!
For the moment, I have nothing to show in this chapter. Except an early Contax II pre series, s/n Z 50387. In fact, the 387th ever made, with the ancient speed scale: 1/100th and 1/250th. I am rather on the Contax side, these last months...
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Edited by - Jacques M. on Jul 28 2013 11:59:25 AM |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Sep 17 2013 : 07:40:28 AM
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Some news on that thread.
First, two Contaxes
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792013_4 new cameras 001.jpg
I already spoke of the left one, made in 1935, a Z pre serie in a bad condition. But how rare to discover...
The other is a IIa P series, the first made in the West in 1949-50. The contemporary and cousin of our Kievs...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792013_4 new cameras 003.jpg
And two Feds. The left one is a "coloured" Leica fake, coppered rather than golden. In fact, a re-engraved 1f with a speed dial up to the 1/1000th. A touch of colour in that world in black and chrome!
The other is my last Fed S, a very early 1c except for the serial number which is in the 1a range. It belongs to these interesting cameras for which we don't exactly know why they have odd numbers.
Jacques.
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Niko80
Austria
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Posted - Sep 17 2013 : 11:16:28 AM
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Nice!
So the "Leica was made from a FED Zorki?
Can you give us some details on the FED-S? What about lens number and shutter cage material?
Does it have a number stamped in the shutter cage?
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Sep 17 2013 : 11:58:54 AM
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Yes, the Leica is made from a Fed 1f, the lens is a "reformed" KMZ Industar 22. And the 1/1000th is here just for fun!
As for the Fed S (already in the wiki), it is a real 1c series. Shutter cage in brass, as it should, etc. All the features of an early 1c with the vulcanite common to the last 1b/early 1c. No number stamped on the shutter cage.
The lens has one of the last known serial numbers (33126/91-2) and seems perfectly normal.
Bill wonders if these cameras with odd serial numbers (2092 for this one) were not made specially for the police or the army. One hypothesis more! (If we have to speak of that, better use another thread).
Jacques. |
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Niko80
Austria
174 Posts |
Posted - Sep 18 2013 : 10:53:23 AM
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Thanks!
By the way - the wiki says lens #33128/91-2, which one is correct?
xx28 or xx26?
Regards,
Chritian |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Sep 18 2013 : 11:34:07 AM
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28! 
Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
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Posted - Oct 18 2013 : 12:34:43 PM
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Just arrived today. I think this is a REAL rarity: It's a SK 1:2 F=8,5cm from 1948 with serial number 000038! It looks really good, works smooth (no Jupiter 9 I have is so smooth) and it has a chromed surface! I think it's the PT7005 (see http://sovietcams.com/index.php?-229548952).
Here are some pictures:
Here are two pictures compared to a 1959 Jupiter 9.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
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Posted - Oct 19 2013 : 6:35:17 PM
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And here is a picture I took with the SK lens at aperture 4 with my Pentax Q. The Q has crop factor 5.5, so it seems to be like a 467mm lens :-)
This one is wide open. It is really soft wide open.
The same with aperture 4. Sharp :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
Edited by - uwittehh on Oct 19 2013 6:42:19 PM |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Oct 20 2013 : 09:36:14 AM
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Really a wonderful discovery! Just what I was looking for, more or less... Congratulations, Ulrich!
These animals are really rare, more than the corresponding Zeiss Sonnars.
Have you had a look at the back to see the Zeiss number?
Here is an interesting sport finder: I had not found one till now...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/20102013_finder 002.jpg
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
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Posted - Oct 20 2013 : 11:54:16 AM
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Jacques,
thanks. The lens barrel came out very easy. It has internal Zeiss number 847577, so it comes from a batch of 498 pieces made with the lens formula from 16.1.1939. Thiele has no date for it, but the batch before this one (with only 2 lenses!) was built on 01.07.1946.
The sports finder looks cool. I have never seen oe before for the FED.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
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Posted - Oct 20 2013 : 12:06:01 PM
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Jacques,
I have told you some times ago of the 1948 Sonnar 2/85 I had (and which I idiot have sold ...) The Sonnar has serial number 2847596. So only 19 numbers away!
And this gives a question. Were the 2/85 M39-Sonnars built in the same factory as the early SK lenses? I think that there is a big possibility. Why should the stock of lens barrels be split in 2 parts? One part stays in Jena, one goes to USSR? I don't think so. Both lenses were made at Jena or Saalfeld or both were made in the USSR. What do you think?
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Oct 20 2013 : 2:43:19 PM
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Ulrich,
For this batch, the date of delivery is missing in the Thiele.
Very probably, the whole batch, with some finished lenses and parts were sent to KMZ. The finished ones were used as is or sold. The other ones gradually mounted with KMZ parts.
Another example. In the same batch of 5000 1,5/5cm Sonnars delivered in december 1945 (s/n 285xxxx to 286xxxx), we can find true Zeiss Sonnars, ZK ones, and even Jupiter 3... I suppose it depends on the spare available parts. I even own one of them with a 1974 KMZ number...! It works perfectly.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacek
Omega
France
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Feb 15 2014 : 07:43:31 AM
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Some new stuff I have found in the last time :-)
First that really rare FED 1654-1954. I found it on eBay, it was not well described, so I got it together with a NKVD FED 1c for a bargain.
There is an interesting thing, it has an additional 5 digits serial number under the top plate, see below:
The next one is a Zorki Zorki 1c with double serial number, one on the top plate and one on the back. Both serial are only about 7000 numbers away from each other. Could it be that they were sold this way with two serials?
The third one is a rare Jupier 12 lens from 1951 which has a different barrel than other Jupiter 12 lenses I know. According to Aidas site it seems to be PT815, see here: http://sovietcams.com/index.php?1710426317
I have disassembled it and have not found any Zeiss serial numbers inside.
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 15 2014 : 08:47:55 AM
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Bravo!
For your Jup 12, I have two ones.
A 1952, which is a Biogon with Zeiss numbers. And a 1951 one, which is not, like yours. My two ones with the new barrel and yours with the former barrel.
Difficult to understand!
Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
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Posted - Feb 19 2014 : 09:22:19 AM
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Jacques,
yes, that sounds strange with your J-12's. It would be interesting when Zeiss glasses were used for the last time in Jupiter lenses. A 1951 J-3 I own has Zeiss glasses inside.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Feb 19 2014 : 09:37:32 AM
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I fear that no one knows exactly how KMZ used the stock of Zeiss material...
Probably they find out after some pieces they re used. My 1952 J12 would be in that case. I even have a 1974 J3 with Zeiss numbers . Certainly a question of repair...
I often ask eBay sellers about their ZKs, BKs and very early Jup: Zeiss numbers or not? By their answers, it seems that Zeiss glass parts could have disappeared first with the J8, then J11, J9, J12 and J3. But there is nothing sure...
Jacques. |
Edited by - Jacques M. on Feb 19 2014 10:48:01 AM |
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
580 Posts |
Posted - Apr 02 2014 : 04:41:57 AM
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Very nice, but why do you need four? Isn't enough to have one of them?
Aleksey, could you list the s/n of cameras, please? Are they all with 1/1000?
Regards, Alexander |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Apr 02 2014 : 09:41:02 AM
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Impressive!
But I must say that I share Alexander's opinion. Unless cameras and finders are different, of course...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
248 Posts |
Posted - Apr 02 2014 : 4:30:55 PM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Apr 03 2014 : 04:44:26 AM
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The sport finders are different? I did not know there were different series...
Perhaps you could open a special thread to show us some détails of these finders? It would be great...
Thanks, Alexey. Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Apr 07 2014 : 3:27:02 PM
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I have just bought my latest Fed S: an early NKVD c-S below s/n 60000. In fact, with the late 1b/early 1c vulcanite.
Probably it will be the last. When I began collecting Feds, some years ago, I was particularly interested by these S-s because of their particularities. But now, they become difficult to find and to buy...
Jacques. |
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Niko80
Austria
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Posted - Apr 07 2014 : 4:23:38 PM
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Jacques, have you added the serial to the wiki?
Lens/camera serial pairs this low would be very interesting. |
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