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Michael Przewrocki
europanorama

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Posted - Sep 24 2010 :  07:42:13 AM  Show Profile  Visit europanorama's Homepage  Reply with Quote
As promised Zenit and Silvestri(software) have given birth to worlds first digital Horizon D-L3. no rotation but three lenses on three 5mp-chips, sd-slot- price: 1000-1500 euro by end of 2010.
http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/photokina-2010-Digitale-Panoramakamera-Horizon-D-L3



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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Sep 24 2010 :  1:17:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Michael,

Thank you very much for this post! Great to know! I will be monitoring this closely.

Best regards,
Vlad.
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okynek
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Posted - Sep 25 2010 :  8:44:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why would KMZ (I presume that this camera will be made by KMZ?) ask Italian Silvestri for software? Nothing against Silvestri, but I had impression that Russians have own programmers. Are they not?
Also for panoramic I would preferred one-lens camera with elongated sensor then 3 lens camera with 3 standard sensors plus software what will stitch the images on PC. Isn't it less expensive and more reliable to make one microchip then 3 lenses, plus get better quality and better dynamic of prints, minus needs for exotic software?
Still I'm happy that Russians thinking about producing digital camera. And I hope that this is not 1-st April prank, as said one of the blogger.
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - Sep 26 2010 :  2:55:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was yesterday on Photokina in Cologne and talked to KMZ representatives. It is not a joke , I took with me some papers about this camera in English. I will scan them tomorrow and put here as pdf-file.

Regards, Alexander
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Posted - Sep 27 2010 :  07:40:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AlexanderK

I will scan them tomorrow and put here as pdf-file.


It is not necessary:
http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/booklets/horizon-d-l3-silvestri-photokina-2010.pdf
;)
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Sep 27 2010 :  8:13:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you very much everyone, I will create catalog entry for this camera!

1000-1500EUR projected price range - wow, that's quite a lot of money for this camera even with 3 lenses and sensors...

Vlad
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Michael Przewrocki
europanorama
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Posted - Nov 15 2010 :  05:02:40 AM  Show Profile  Visit europanorama's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If you dont like this affordable three lens-pancam you can get 617 roundshot with superwideangle. We will see how such a 3-lens-shot(be it rectiliniar or cylindrical) compares to a superwideangle shot. At least with scanpanoramas longer lenses can be used resulting in less distortion at the edges. If transformed to rectiliniar by eighter using panorama-factory during stitching or altostorms rectiliniar panorama afterwards the edges should be non-distorted. If this is true only with slitcams, we will see. I will test it. check also www.altostrom.com

I wish zenitcamera(kmz-zenit) and silvestricamera the best production-control ever to get a good photographer-response. Even if it has not a very high resolution-5mp each chip), its a good compromise to save time and money.

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Michael Przewrocki
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Posted - Nov 15 2010 :  05:05:15 AM  Show Profile  Visit europanorama's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

If you dont like this affordable three lens-pancam you can get 617 roundshot with superwideangle. We will see how such a 3-lens-shot(be it rectiliniar or cylindrical) compares to a superwideangle shot. At least with scanpanoramas longer lenses can be used resulting in less distortion at the edges. If transformed to rectiliniar by eighter using panorama-factory during stitching or altostorms rectiliniar panorama afterwards the edges should be non-distorted. If this is true only with slitcams, we will see. I will test it. check also www.altostorm.com

I wish zenitcamera(kmz-zenit) and silvestricamera the best production-control ever to get a good photographer-response. Even if it has not a very high resolution-5mp each chip), its a good compromise to save time and money.

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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Nov 15 2010 :  7:55:20 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Michael,

I think a combined 3 sensor 15MP resolution is fairly decent. I just hope this camera gets to production.

Cheers,
Vlad.
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Michael Przewrocki
europanorama
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Posted - Feb 12 2011 :  4:42:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit europanorama's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If you can afford you can get roundshots/seitz 6x17-wideangle-camera.
This Digital-Horizon is a good compromise. I will not buy it since i am in the 3dstereo-Media-Business. Photos/Panoramas/Videos Too much competition in the panorama-sector. For some panoramagraphers its seems that their credo is, one time panorama, always and everytime panoramas....Crazy this limited mind. As if the subject will not tell us which camera is needed.
sorry old website is almost down since 16 months.

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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Feb 12 2011 :  5:05:22 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm gonna go a little off-topic, but since we're talking about a panoramic digital cameras, I gotta say that Sony's NEX series cameras do a very decent job with its built-in feature to swing the camera around freehand and if the lighting is good it does a good job stitching the pictures together right there so you get panoramic image right away without the need of a computer stitching software. I bought a Sony NEX-5 recently and was pleasantly impressed. Best part is that with adapters NEX-5 can take any Soviet lens!
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Michael Przewrocki
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Posted - Feb 12 2011 :  5:30:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit europanorama's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thats why the Horizon is been built. No limitions for action-shots. A lot of time savings. Low-light-shooting, even with moving persons.
And: Its easy with todays stitching-tools to choose between circular and equirectangular views. What i would like to see are comparisons of a true wideangle, a rotopan and the new horizon-camera. i would imagine that the rotopancam with its slitscan-technique could win-no edge-distortions. see also www.altostorm.com the indoor-shots or the one with the students.
I have also the nex5 on my agenda. i have c/y-eos and eos-nex-adapters. but i will wait for sigma sd1 which will beat any other DSLR,even d3x in terms of resolution and above all colors etc. sigmacumlaude.com will offer nikon F, leica R and Contax/Yashica-mount-versions. maybe others.

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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Feb 12 2011 :  5:33:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You're probably right to wait, even though NEX-5 a nice camera it's no Canon or Nikon, it's hard for me to adjust to it after using Canon or Nikon for many years.
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Michael Przewrocki
europanorama
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Posted - Feb 12 2011 :  5:51:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit europanorama's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have added my opionion for panorama or 3dsweep-panorama-shooting with sony nex using non-sony-e-lenses in your other thread.

my friend-a pro- is shooting a lot of video but with sony-e-AF-lenses only.


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Edited by - europanorama on Feb 12 2011 5:52:46 PM
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David Tomlinson
RCCCUK
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Posted - Feb 14 2013 :  03:03:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Whatever happened to the Horizon D-L3? Silovestri originally told me that they would contact me when it became available. Since then I have heard nothing and my emails to them are unanswered. They have also removed information on the camera from their website.
I never thought that the concept of stitching three digital images was a particularly good idea. I wonder why KMZ didn't stick to their well-tried swing lens system? Maybe a large CMOS sensor was impractical or too expensive.
Does anyone know if the project has been abandoned by KMZ?

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Posted - Feb 14 2013 :  04:31:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RCCCUK

I never thought that the concept of stitching three digital images was a particularly good idea.

Me too.

quote:
Maybe a large CMOS sensor was impractical or too expensive.

Only three rows of sensors with red, green, and blue filters, from a flatbed scanner... ;)

quote:
Does anyone know if the project has been abandoned by KMZ?

The D-L3 project is not abandoned...

P.S.
quote:
They have also removed information on the camera from their website.

Why? See http://www.silvestricamera.com/eng/news_eng/news.htm

Edited by - Zoom on Feb 14 2013 11:56:18 AM
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Feb 16 2013 :  4:57:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
the three lens and three camera digital Horizont is done so in order to obtain a single instant shot minimizing time distortions and easingly superposing of pictures program. Each o the lens covers slghtly more than 40ļ on each picture minimizing also the encountered difficulties of the program and giving a better quality image. Each of these three images are alternatively displaced due the reversing of the images. This needs a very good program in order to juxtaposing each of the images.
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Feb 16 2013 :  5:05:20 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
As a curiosity a MoŽjards Cylindrograph of 1895 usig several plates for panorama pctures.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1622013_cylindrograph.png

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