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VOOMP II Pioneer

Created by nightphoto on 8/17/2007 8:38:07 PM
Last Edited by Aleksandrov66 on 4/2/2018 9:27:05 AM  
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Mar 04 2011 :  7:18:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Got a great book today from 1935 called FED & Leica. One of the chapters says that Pioner was made on Geodezia factory at the same time as the first FED was developed. Implication is that Geodezia had gotten the plans from FED. They only made these cameras until 1936 (that was the plan according to book which was published in '35) and made about 1000 units at that time, because they were planning to put FAG into mass production instead.

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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Mar 06 2011 :  6:35:52 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello Vlad!
I have had some particular problems and was out of scene for a while. I am back now and very intrigued with such notice.
As you know, Geodesia plant was built in Moscow and was the forerunner of the Krasnogorsk Factory.
Pionir model shown was clearly made at Leningrad VOOMP of Leningrad.(as its manual clearly states Leningrad) which became part of the Progress factory a further member of LOMO Conglomerate. It is known thet at the '30s (Russia's great industializing boom) there were various VOOMP factories (Industrial Experimental Laboratories) where top products were developed and prototyped for further mass production.
A better research must be made.
Regards LP
VOOMP lenses differ in their inscripts according to cameras "VOOMP
Geodisiya Moskva" ans simply "VOOMP Opitnii Zavod" That is clear on Pegorari's book from my own edition.
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Mar 06 2011 :  7:09:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello dear Luiz!

glad to have you back!!

It seems to me that it was given to Geodezia for mass production and first examples were made in Lengingrad? I will post that page from the book momentarily, maybe I misunderstood. I think you read Russian, right Luiz?

Cheers,
Vlad
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Mar 06 2011 :  7:14:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/632011_IMG_0576.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/632011_IMG_0577.JPG

It almost seems to me that the cameras will say Leningrad on them since it was designed there but actual production was in Geodezia
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Mar 07 2011 :  7:24:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A very interesting information!
as we can understand the camera was developed at OGPU for further production at Geodesya! FAG - The real Zorki forerunners!
regards LP
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Mar 07 2011 :  8:28:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Glad there's some new information came out of this book , now this one page made it worth buying. The rest of the book is unfortunately a translated from German Leica manual mixed with some Soviet propaganda on how German bourgeois capitalist society had persecuted brilliant inventor Oscar Barnack who had stayed behind the scenes and how the Leitz company was making big profits for the Leica camera instead

Cheers,
Vlad
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Mar 12 2011 :  8:42:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This topic gave me an idea! Make a study about Pionir and FAG.
I am gathering all information to put together and I ask eveyone who have pictures about these two cameras, to download them in order to organize a historic about them.
Kind Regards.
LP
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Mar 12 2011 :  10:57:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Besides books Pegorari's Princelle's Suglob"s and Leica Copies
I found those items on the web.
Incredibly I did not find any picture on Abramov's site.

further cooperation wellcome.
send directly to my mail lapfnew@gmail.com
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=12&ParentID=1&ContentID=1300&Item=FAG+Geodesiya
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=81&ParentID=1&ContentID=774&Item=Geodezia+FAG+Special
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=38&ParentID=4&ContentID=270&Item=Sovetskoe+Foto+1934+%2F+FAG+Geodeziya
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=12&ParentID=1&ContentID=97&Item=VOOMP+II+Pioneer
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=12&ParentID=1&ContentID=989&Item=VOOMP+Prototype
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1739
http://www.novacon.com.br/h3comp3.htm
http://www.novacon.com.br/h3comp5.htm
http://www.novacon.com.br/odditycameras/unknown.htm
http://www.photohistory.ru/index.php?pid=1207248177846359
http://www.photohistory.ru/1207248190399827.html
http://www.photohistory.ru/index.php?pid=1288432955440980
http://www.photohistory.ru/index.php?pid=1207248190430595
http://www.photohistory.ru/1207248188868486.html
http://www.nightphoto.com/aviar.html
http://www.nightphoto.com/voomp.html
ftp://94.31.168.197/foto(%F4%EE%F2%EE)/
www.photohistory.ru/35R-F-Cam-1.htm
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Mar 15 2011 :  10:04:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Waiting new pitures from friends

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1532011_voomp fag.JPG

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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Mar 16 2011 :  10:36:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you Luiz, great collection of links, especially Abramov's site, it has so much information on it, it's hard to process
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Mar 19 2011 :  10:05:47 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Luiz,

I just posted an original manual for VOOMP Pioner into catalog sent to me by Bill Parkinson who received it originally from Alain Berry.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=82&ParentID=4&ContentID=1414&Item=VOOMP+Pioner+Manual+%28Russian%29

Best regards,
Vlad
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