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zhang
Kievuser

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Posted - Dec 17 2007 :  7:38:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello folks,

I know that export Kiev II was made since 1950, but I never saw an image of it even on M. Princelle's book. Could some of you post an image? I heard that 1950's export Kiev II has a red logo. According to my observation, early export Kiev II(1950-1952)are much less often seen.What is you ropinion?

Kind Regards,

Zhang
okynek
759 Posts
Posted - Dec 18 2007 :  4:03:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I never see red logo on Kiev (on any Kiev). Does anyone have such camera?
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zhang
Kievuser
310 Posts
Posted - Dec 18 2007 :  10:28:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by okynek

I never see red logo on Kiev (on any Kiev). Does anyone have such camera?



I think I heard about this some years ago at Yahoo's Russian cameras forum. A 1950's export Kiev II seems quite rare. I haven't seen an image of export Kiev II with an earlier s/n than this 1951 one yet.
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okynek
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Posted - Dec 18 2007 :  11:13:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
zhang, what is the differens between export and not export Kievs?
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
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Posted - Dec 19 2007 :  01:55:35 AM  Show Profile  Visit AidasCams's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You mean Kiev II with both Cyrillic/Roman engravings? Yea, I saw such a camera #501627 in eBay few years ago. And the price was USD 199.
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zhang
Kievuser
310 Posts
Posted - Dec 19 2007 :  08:16:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks.Early dual logo Kiev II is very rare if you watch ebay listing of early Kiev IIs. I think maybe one in 20 early Kiev II is an export version(1950-52).The total number could be only a few hundred cameras for that period. These could be rarer than a Fed-1 type a, or a Fed-Zorki.

Cheers,

Zhang

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Originally posted by AidasCams

You mean Kiev II with both Cyrillic/Roman engravings? Yea, I saw such a camera #501627 in eBay few years ago. And the price was USD 199.

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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4247 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 19 2007 :  1:29:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I am very skeptical about any coloring on Arsenal cameras pre-1980s... the red logo may have been easily filled in by a dealer, as it happens to very many cameras nowadays... I have not seen and reference in any literature of use of color paint on Kiev range finders... but again my experience is somewhat limited I learn new things everyday, but I do try to be very cautious of any after market modification and treating them as authentic, boy I've had learned enough lessons in that field lately.

Vlad.
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zhang
Kievuser
310 Posts
Posted - Dec 19 2007 :  11:06:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Vlad, I just saw an image of a 1950 Kiev II. Black logo as usual.Yes, it would be easy to fill red paint on those letters.If early dual logo Kiev II is rare, I suspect some new dual logo early Kiev IIs will be made soon.;-)
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