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BERRY alain
mermoz37
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 Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 06:28:16 AM
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I ask to specialysts here,an exact translation please ...
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
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Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 09:30:05 AM
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Popeda = Victory. Also nickname for GAZ-M20 car. And this camera celebrates 50y from the end of WW2.
PS Still regret that I didn't buy one that was for sale here years ago. It was slightly broken, but I had the spare parts. But it did cost huge 10 euros back then...
http://www.cedricfan.sivut.ws/Juhani's%20website%20ORIGINAALIT/ |
Edited by - cedricfan on Dec 31 2007 09:53:42 AM |
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okynek
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Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 10:04:08 AM
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It's right. This is commemorative camera to celebrate 50 years of victory in WWII. The car M20 with name POBEDA was made in city Gorkov (Samara now?) on automobile factory GAZ. Same as camera Kiev, car POBEDA was spoils of war. Taken from Germany as a reparation. One of the best car made in USSR. And it was sold to general public! That if you have enough money to buy it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAZ-M20_Pobeda |
Edited by - okynek on Dec 31 2007 10:05:39 AM |
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okynek
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Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 6:34:18 PM
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| Wikopedia article has to many errors. I may be mistaken about POBEDA car, but that what I was reading some years ago. It even had German name for this car. Can not remember now. Same happens with all other "Russian" cars and truck: Moskvitch, MAZ, GAZ, ZIL. But I'm collecting cameras. And I may be wrong about this cars. |
Edited by - okynek on Dec 31 2007 7:04:06 PM |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
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Posted - Jan 01 2008 : 02:23:36 AM
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I am collecting both...
Moskvits started from Opel, like Kiev started from Contax.
Popeda not, it is real Soviet-design, although it has some technical roots to USA as GAZ produced Fords in the early years. We could compare to Zenit: it is not a Leica, although it has some connecting features via Zorki.
One shot from last summer, when USSR-vehicle enthusiasts had a meeteng here. My Ural Milicia sidecar-motorbike leaded the convoy to this market place from a farm where we gathered first. There I took pics with a Zenit, but on the market place it was too crowdy for other than snapshooting.
http://www.cedricfan.sivut.ws/Juhani's%20website%20ORIGINAALIT/
Cars -> Car events ->2007 -> Neukkumasinistit
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Photos -> 2007 -> 07 Summer misc -> Zeniting -> CCCP Car meet
If you want to see the rest of iron from east! |
Edited by - cedricfan on Jan 01 2008 04:11:38 AM |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Oct 13 2009 : 7:07:24 PM
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I've also received this Z-122 Pobeda edition from Juhani today (Thank YOU, I've received it safe and sound!) - do we have any more information on the number of these released? I could not find any mention of this camera on KMZ web site - www.zenitcamera.com, maybe Zoom can point me to the right page if the information is there, there is nothing in the catalog section next to the picture of my 50 years KMZ camera ...
Cheers,
Vlad |
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Richard Nuttall
Poolhall
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 06:29:54 AM
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I remember seeing the Polish version of this car FSO in Krakow Transport Museum, there may be one in Palace of Culture in Warsaw too. I believe it is a purely Russian design as Juhani says but it does look a lot like the Czech Tatra pre war designs that Dr Porsche supposedly copied for the Volkswagen.
Samsung GX-10,too many Russian Lenses, A lot of Zenits, an Almaz 103 a few Yashica,and finally a Minox35GT |
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Zoom
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 11:13:35 AM
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Zoom, these are 50 Years of KMZ cameras you're showing me. We are talking about Zenit-122 - Victory of "Great Patriotic War" edition. See Wiki link on top of the forum thread.
Cheers,
Vlad |
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Zoom
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 12:20:58 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Zoom, these are 50 Years of KMZ cameras you're showing me. We are talking about Zenit-122 - Victory of "Great Patriotic War" edition. See Wiki link on top of the forum thread.
OK... :) For the KMZ history this commemorative camera ("ZENIT-122 - 50 years of Victory") does not represent interest ABSOLUTELY. |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 12:28:25 PM
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hmm... interesting perspective.. well it is an "Anniversary" camera, I don't quite follow why not.. is it because the "KMZ History" only accounts for the mechanical differences?
I guess it is still quite of interest for collectors...
if you do run into any information by a chance about the release of these cameras in your archives we would greatly appreciate any kind of numbers/dates.
Thanks!
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Zoom
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Posted - Oct 14 2009 : 1:08:50 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
is it because the "KMZ History" only accounts for the mechanical differences?
Not only, but quite close to that. An innovations -- it is important. A variants of a small distinctions are not interesting...
quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
I guess it is still quite of interest for collectors...
I'm not collector... :( |
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Bill Parkinson
nightphoto
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 11:13:57 AM
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It would seem to me that there is relevant importance to the history of the KMZ factory that this "50 Years of Victory" Zenit was made by KMZ. The KMZ site is the best site I have seen that is devoted to the works and history of production of a group of cameras and related items made by a factory, and although a work in progress, as are most histories, to leave this camera out would seem to be an omission (to my eyes).
To me, not as a collector, but as a person interested in the history of KMZ, I would expect this camera should have a mention on the site, just as the "50 Years Anniversary" (of KMZ) camera does, even though both cameras are not technical innovations or have mechanical differences.
As a collector, I can always find the camera, Zenit 122 "50 Years Victory" on collectors sites (like our WIKI) even if it is decided not to be of interest to the KMZ site zenitcamera.com for some unknown reason.
Regards, Bill
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Michel
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 4:21:30 PM
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Hi Bill,
May I say that I absolutely agree with you.
(Or do we have to throw our"50th ann." to the city dump if this camera has no interest for his parents ???)
;-)
Regards,
Michel. |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 4:26:09 PM
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Well said  .. I guess I own a bastard camera.. hehehehe |
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Michel
France
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Posted - Oct 15 2009 : 4:56:18 PM
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So do I !!
Regards,
Michel. |
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Zoom
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 12:12:15 PM
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| It is a pity that I do not know English so well to explain my position. :( |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 12:28:32 PM
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Zoom, post in Russian, i'll be happy to translate.
Vlad. |
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Bill Parkinson
nightphoto
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Posted - Oct 16 2009 : 1:33:29 PM
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Zoom,
You do such a great job with the KMZ website that no explanation is necessary! I have a friend who is an advanced collector of Soviet cameras and lenses and he also has a perspective, possibly similar to yours, that what is important is the tecnological evolution, advances, and lineage of the cameras and that each small cosmetic change is not so relevant to those events and the technological history as a whole.
I understand this perspective and enjoy it, although my own interests are a bit wider. For example, in this particular case, it would be interesting to me several things:
* Who was the intended market for these cameras ... general public or specifically, military & former military members.
* Who was the primary person or group that decided to make this commemorative ... government or factory.
* How many were made and where were they distributed.
* Were they made for a specific event (other than just general 50 year anniversary) such as a meeting or convention, etc.
Maybe you don't know these answers, but if you do, even if they are not relevant and won't be published on your site, as an esteemed and experienced member of our group, we would love to know some of these things.
And, as always, thanks for all your work and sharing of knowledge on your site.
Regards, Bill
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
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Posted - Oct 17 2009 : 03:14:47 AM
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So far I have seen THREE of these in Finland, but as some of you know I have seen a really odd variety of cameras here...
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Zoom
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 12:32:17 PM
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Wow excellent job!! A couple I haven't not seen as well! :) Zoom, your site extremely helpful, thanks again for your efforts!!
Best regards,
Vlad. |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1013 Posts
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 1:01:11 PM
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But we must always press Zoom a bit to get these excellent answers
SPASIBA! 
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Bill Parkinson
nightphoto
USA
1027 Posts
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 1:31:13 PM
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Thanks very much Zoom! Quite a bit of new details and information for me!
So now I'm wondering what else you know about the cameras and their history that you are not telling ;-) Please give us some clue, sometime in the future!
Best regards to you, Bill
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1013 Posts
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Posted - Oct 19 2009 : 3:09:08 PM
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Or Zoom is the re-incarnation of Sherlock Holmes?
Best regards,
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts |
Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 05:44:54 AM
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| thanks again Zoom |
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Zoom
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Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 09:49:26 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by mermoz37
thanks again Zoom
You are welcome... ;) Btw., this page was updated... |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1013 Posts
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Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 11:35:05 AM
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I wonder what does this mean:
Снимок юбилейного ЗЕНИТа-122-50 сделан Владиславом Керном
PS: Even I can so much cyrillic that I di dguess |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Oct 20 2009 : 11:39:50 AM
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| That I took the photo used on that site for the 50 years KMZ Z-122. |
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