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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo

Brazil
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Posted - Feb 17 2017 :  12:27:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
interesting article
http://photolubitel.com/index.php?route=module/kbm/article&kbm_article_id=2
Lots of evidences of being a German made cāmera.
Why only 100 pieces?
LP
Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
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Posted - Feb 17 2017 :  12:27:47 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
repair: Why only 1000 pieces?
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - Feb 17 2017 :  1:24:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Luiz,
have you ever seen this camera with the s/n with 4 digits? I did not.
So, this very little batch for such camera could proof the assumption about the possible "gift camera", but it is only speculations.
And the article is really very interesting!

Regards, Alexander
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 17 2017 :  2:18:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Impossible to have a comprehensible translation. No doubt it is interesting! I just understand that the Jena-Contax production is put in relation with the TSVVS as they have the same 2/5cm Sonnar lenses, in the same numbers. I add that the first western IIa too (the "P" series)...

I add too that the Jena-Contaxes (except the first ones) have a back made of brass, just like the TSVVS.

Jacques.
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
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Posted - Feb 18 2017 :  08:26:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I will try a translation
the text is very logic and made me think a bout
I speculare the Ucaflex and Neuca as relating with Zenit and Zorki
As well as Finetta and Leningrad
The VTSVS has its passport shown in the article the fonts are not the standard GOST type This ponts to a foreign manufacture
the Curtain fabrics is the same of Contax S The number "3" and "B" denotes German manufacture etc....
Regards
LP
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Jacques M.
France
2003 Posts
Posted - Feb 18 2017 :  09:16:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Luiz.
It seems to confirm the hypothesis of German origins.
As for the passport, it's the first official paper we have about this camera...

Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Feb 18 2017 09:16:48 AM
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
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Posted - Feb 19 2017 :  09:29:52 AM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
We previous ly thoroughly discussed about this particular cāmera at

http://ussrphoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=790&whichpage=1
and
http://ussrphoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=790&whichpage=2

I believe we are near to determine details
Intriguing is its chrome finish Extremely similar to Voitlander Prominent from 1954 -But VTSVS was made in 1949-1950! No other german cāmera shows this kind of finish
a Set of 1000 cāmeras was absolutely normal at those times... A "large" production
Regards
LP
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Feb 19 2017 :  09:40:39 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello Gentlemen,

I've read this article before, it's just an exploratory piece based on various information and does not offer any conclusions. It has evidence for and against German manufacture as well as running theories of KMZ, FED and Almaz production. As for the shown passport, it is not a VTSVS/TSVVS camera passport - it is a passport for a mechanical part that was actually used by topographical service, a "control mesh" and has nothing to do with the camera but has to do with the VTS service.

The article does offer indepth analysis of various mechanical details of the camera so that part is very well written. Especially the part when it says that the simplification of parts has been done like it has been done on FED factory to be able to mass manufacture cameras easily - that's a definite argument against German origin.

Having been able to hold a few of these cameras in my hands, I will keep saying it was too high of a quality camera to be done at the time by Soviet manufacture.. it just feels too foreign and I would be very surprised if it was made on Soviet factory other than major known soviet camera factories due to the highest quality of manufacture exhibited only by a camera maker that has been making similar cameras for many years... but I digress

Best regards,
Vlad
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