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Guido Studer
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Posted - Aug 21 2017 :  2:46:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit Guido's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Dear friends

Look at this:

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4583152995/zenit-is-back-in-business-plans-to-release-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-in-2018

Original source (russian):

https://rns.online/it-and-media/V-Rossii-vozobnovyat-proizvodstvo-fotoapparatov-Zenit---2017-08-18/

Just a hoax or a real project this time? Maybe you remember the "Zenit 408DC" and "Zenit N1"? We will see ...

Best wishes - Guido

Juhani Halmeenmaki
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Posted - Aug 21 2017 :  3:09:35 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Wow, this would be great news, where to pre-order

Best regards,
Juhani

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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Aug 21 2017 :  3:13:35 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
yeah I've seen these floating on Russian sites past week, I'm not sure whether to believe it. An article with promises like this seems to come out in Russia every couple of years

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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Aug 21 2017 :  3:17:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I just hope it's not another 22-pound laptop for $3000. I have higher hopes for KMZ!

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/06/02/when-there-s-no-shame-in-made-in-russia

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Will
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Posted - Aug 23 2017 :  09:17:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've seen this doing the rounds on other forums for a while.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Will

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Posted - Sep 10 2017 :  08:58:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Guido


Original source (russian):
https://rns.online/it-and-media/V-Rossii-vozobnovyat-proizvodstvo-fotoapparatov-Zenit---2017-08-18/


Nope. The original source is there: http://radio1.news/news/v-2018-godu-na-mirovykh-rynkakh-poyavitsya-legendarnyy-fotoapparat-zenit/
Translating with my notes in (brackets):
quote:
Next year, the legendary Zenit camera will appear on Russian and foreign markets. This was told by "Radio 1" head of the department for the development of civilian instrument making JSC "Shvabe" Igor Sergeyev.
"We ("Shvabe") plan to revive the direction of production of digital photographic equipment. We ("Shvabe") have a working out project of close industrial cooperation with one of the leading photographic equipment companies (is meant Leica Camera AG -- it's not a secret), in order to create a joint product, where KMZ is involved in the production of infrastructure for the production of optics for these cameras (I do not know how to explain this). And electronics (camera body) will be made abroad. Our ("Shvabe") road map provides for the withdrawal of this product in the next year," -- said Sergey.

Edited by - Zoom on Sep 10 2017 09:16:41 AM
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Pierre Tizien
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Posted - Sep 10 2017 :  09:30:46 AM  Show Profile  Visit Moxies's Homepage  Reply with Quote
As far as I know, Zenit does not export. (at least, on their site, you can only receive the lenses in Russia) The only things you can buy from them is via Lomography or other partner.

I believe that if this new camera will be real, it won't go far if it's not exported.

I still wondering why they do not export. Helios 40 is still a sought after lens, and I think people would prefer buy it directly from Zenit shop then from random re-seller on ebay...

But as I understand what Zoom quoted, it will be partnership with Leica, so it should be exported.


Edited by - Moxies on Sep 10 2017 09:34:15 AM
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Posted - Sep 11 2017 :  1:21:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moxies

I believe that if this new camera will be real...


You can buy the original right now:
http://fr.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-SL/Leica-SL
;)
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Sep 13 2017 :  7:53:01 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
which kind of mystery is that?
KMZ making Leica? or leica lenses?
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LP
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Posted - Sep 15 2017 :  5:50:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo

which kind of mystery is that?
KMZ making Leica? or leica lenses?


According Igor Sergeyev (JSC "Shvabe"): "KMZ is involved in the production of infrastructure for the production of optics for these cameras".
As I said, I do not know how to explain this sentence, sorry. May be simple: KMZ produce lenses...
A camera body presumably (but there are no other variants) based on Leica SL, with another design and named as "Zenit", will be made by Leica. I do not think that the price will be very much lower relative to the original. Miracles do not happen.

Edited by - Zoom on Sep 15 2017 5:58:02 PM
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Sep 15 2017 :  6:17:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
These are really a good News
thanks Zoom
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LP
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Sep 15 2017 :  6:18:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Better yet!
Exciting NEWS!!!!
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Sep 16 2017 :  12:47:24 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A Russian camera made by Leica, how fantastic is that?! speaking of ultimate role reversals haha! Love it!thank you Zoom for this information!

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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 16 2017 :  3:06:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For the moment, I have not seen anything on the "western" Leica sites. A co-operation is possible, of course. But KMZ cameras made by Leitz, or the contrary, I don't exactly understand... Or only lenses?

Would Lomography officially be involved in that operation?

Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Sep 16 2017 3:07:23 PM
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Posted - Sep 17 2017 :  06:15:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.

For the moment, I have not seen anything on the "western" Leica sites.

This information has a negative impact on Leica's reputation. They will remain silent.

quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.

But KMZ cameras made by Leitz, or the contrary, I don't exactly understand... Or only lenses?


Only lenses, of course. Although it is difficult to understand Sergeyev... May be nothing (only "involved in the production of infrastructure for the production of optics for these cameras")
I focus your attention: this is the "Shvabe" project, not KMZ.

quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.


Would Lomography officially be involved in that operation?


They obviously have nothing to do with it.

Edited by - Zoom on Sep 17 2017 06:20:43 AM
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 17 2017 :  10:57:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thanks, Zoom. Wait and see now...

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SteveA
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Posted - Sep 17 2017 :  1:31:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Funnier things have happened - who would have thought VW would be making Skodas a few years ago...
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Sep 18 2017 :  8:24:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Remember that VW copied Tatra Project in the early days
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Sep 18 2017 :  8:26:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
also the todas common car recalls were born in Russia with the GAZ M20 "Pobieda"
LP
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 19 2017 :  11:43:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Confirmation here: https://leicarumors.com/2017/09/16/rumors-zenit-to-work-together-with-leica-on-their-upcoming-full-frame-mirrorless-digital-camera-did-leica-purchased-zenit.aspx/

And there: http://www.summilux.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=84037

But these sites partially refer to USSRphoto. So, perhaps we will be half responsible if things are successful?
Really great news!

Amitiťs. Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Sep 19 2017 11:46:36 AM
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Posted - Sep 19 2017 :  3:17:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.

Confirmation here: ...

This is not a confirmation, but a re-link: to the source (Igor Sergeyev, the head of the "Shvabe" department -- via "Radio 1"), to USSRphoto.com, to zenitcamera.com sites and nothing more...

And why do they* all talk about KMZ ("Zenit"), although, as we see, this is a "Shvabe" idea to write on Leica camera another name and proudly declare that "the brand Zenit is revived"?

* I mean:
https://leicarumors.com/2017/09/16/rumors-zenit-to-work-together-with-leica-on-their-upcoming-full-frame-mirrorless-digital-camera-did-leica-purchased-zenit.aspx/
https://photorumors.com/2017/09/16/rumors-something-is-going-on-between-leica-and-zenit/
https://petapixel.com/2017/09/16/zenits-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-rebranded-leica-sl-rumor-says/
https://www.dpreview.com/news/7688263968/zenit-s-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-will-use-components-made-by-leica
https://www.fotointern.ch/archiv/2017/09/19/zenit-comeback-mit-leica-elektronik/
http://www.diyphotography.net/zenits-full-frame-mirrorless-camera-actually-modified-leica-sl/
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/zenit-launching-rebranded-leica-sl/
etc.

Btw, on the page http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-digital.html there is such a note (in my translation):
"All announcements, plans, etc., related to the development of digital cameras, which appeared in the media since November 2014 and later, did not directly have any relation to the Krasnogorsky Zavod (KMZ)."

Edited by - Zoom on Sep 19 2017 3:42:39 PM
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Posted - Sep 19 2017 :  5:33:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found some interesting about this "Leica-Zenit news" and USSRphoto:

https://camerajabber.com/leica-working-zenit-full-frame-mirrorless-camera/
I will give only one phrase from the author -- Jeff Meyer (he's been a journalist!): "PetaPixel reached out to USSRPhoto, the Russian website that reported the news..."

It was also curious to read this discussion:
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/276976-zenit-launching-rebranded-leica-sl-never-ever%E2%80%A6/
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Sep 19 2017 :  6:25:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zoom

I found some interesting about this "Leica-Zenit news" and USSRphoto:

https://camerajabber.com/leica-working-zenit-full-frame-mirrorless-camera/
I will give only one phrase from the author -- Jeff Meyer (he's been a journalist!): "PetaPixel reached out to USSRPhoto, the Russian website that reported the news..."

It was also curious to read this discussion:
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/276976-zenit-launching-rebranded-leica-sl-never-ever%E2%80%A6/




All the information on Petapixel comes from this open public forum thread. PetaPixel has my explicit permission to use any materials from here in their articles as we are an open wiki/forum site. How it gets interpreted on other reposting sites is a case of "broken phone" as they do not know the people behind the user names here

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Michael Przewrocki
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Posted - Sep 19 2017 :  9:46:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit europanorama's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Shvabe, Rostec, KMZ they are a family. google.
In my opinion there will be a Zenit-camera with parts made by Leica used in SL adapted to Zenit FF mirrorless. Lenses will be made by the russians. KMZ?

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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 20 2017 :  03:07:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Of course, Zoom, it is a re-link. I have not said anything else, but with a smile: perhaps USSRphoto will get royalties, if everything turns well?

About the question Zenit/Shvabe... I remember when the first Zenit arrived in France... It was a clap of thunder: at least, a cheap camera, reflex, with interchangeable lenses ! Old people have not forgotten this period. So, I am not surprised that the name "Zorki" was put ahead...

Amitiťs. Jacques.
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quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

All the information on Petapixel comes from this open public forum thread. PetaPixel has my explicit permission to use any materials from here in their articles...

Vlad, I did not want to pay attention to PetaPixel. But to "the Russian news website USSRPhoto", accoring Jeff Meyer, the journalist.
Link: https://camerajabber.com/leica-working-zenit-full-frame-mirrorless-camera/
Maybe I'm wrong or naive, but for me the journalist should check the data, not concocte it, out of thin air...
A person who has worked for the UK's photography press for the past 11 years with "Amateur Photographer" can not write such rubbish:
quote:
KMZ is an optical factory where Zenit is reportedly producing special lenses for its upcoming camera.
Or now they are all the same, not only those who write about politics (bloody dictators, who hacking booths for voting, etc.)?

Concerning PetaPixel... From PetaPixel's article:
quote:
"KMZ is a mechanical and optical factory, so they donít do electronics at all," USSRPhoto tells PetaPixel. "Anything [digital/electronic] that is done is outsourced to French and German firms."
USSRPhoto tells PetaPixel... Vlad, where did they (PetaPixel) get this enchanting information? I'm curious to know... ;)

Edited by - Zoom on Sep 20 2017 4:17:34 PM
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Sep 20 2017 :  5:11:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
In Brazil there is a common sense that "One who tell a tale, adds another one"
Somewhat like this is happening.

Thanks for the note Zoom
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Sep 21 2017 :  11:49:11 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zoom

quote:
"KMZ is a mechanical and optical factory, so they donít do electronics at all," USSRPhoto tells PetaPixel. "Anything [digital/electronic] that is done is outsourced to French and German firms."
USSRPhoto tells PetaPixel... Vlad, where did they (PetaPixel) get this enchanting information? I'm curious to know... ;)



Petapixel reached out with the question to me whether KMZ manufactures electronics for cameras, is it not a true statement? You are right though regarding countries, Silvestri is not French, it's Italian, I made a mistake there.
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quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

Petapixel reached out with the question to me whether KMZ manufactures electronics for cameras, is it not a true statement?

Surprise! ;) It is not a true statement...
At first, KMZ does not produce electronic components (chips). This is handled by another industry. At second, KMZ does not produce digital consumer cameras -- indeed.
But KMZ produces other digital cameras and equipment: space and military.

Edited by - Zoom on Sep 21 2017 4:13:09 PM
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Sep 21 2017 :  4:15:19 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zoom

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

Petapixel reached out with the question to me whether KMZ manufactures electronics for cameras, is it not a true statement?

Surprise! ;) Is not a true statement...
At first, KMZ does not produce electronic components (chips). This is handled by another industry. At second, KMZ does not produce digital consumer cameras -- indeed.
But KMZ produces other digital cameras and equipment: space and military.



No I know that. Here's a part of my reply to PetaPixel:
"we're talking only about [consumer] cameras, KMZ also makes a lot of other stuff where they may or may not make Electronics for other devices I'm not familiar with the other production. There's a lot of Department of Defense products they're doing they may have Electronics in them that they make". My English is not perfect so I guess some stuff gets paraphrased...
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quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

No I know that...


O.K.
Let's now go back to this Zenit-Leica project...
My attitude to this project is that it is bad, it's not a good idea. I think... not: I hope that it will not work out.
This is a pseudo-rebirth, a duble-fake Zenit (not SLR, not Russian), the project that does not bring anything, except the feeling that somebody is engaged in deception.

Edited by - Zoom on Sep 22 2017 12:19:32 PM
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Sep 22 2017 :  4:50:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I completely agree with half of Zoom declarations The c‚mera must have Russian origins, its own personality.
But indoubtly it is na international reconaissance of in built Russian quality

the other half is a permanent question _only the Market will answer

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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Sep 22 2017 :  6:03:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Unfortunately it today's global economy it's an unrealistic goal. You will not find one "pure" consumer product anywhere. Everything is assembled from parts from all over the world, so I think it's a completely natural step in the evolution of Zenit.
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 23 2017 :  05:23:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I don't know if the step is natural, Vlad, but for sure there is no way to stop it...
See too the "Biotar 2/58 new generation" thread, by Luiz, as another example of the same question....
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Posted - Sep 23 2017 :  11:26:48 AM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
there are various samples Meyer is one of them.
Thy have also the Helios 40 with another name
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Jacques M.
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Of course, Luiz. But I just wanted to say that it's a general problem, due to law market. Good old days are past, for ever, whatever I can think ...
And of course you know that, as well as me.

Jacques.
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sean perry
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Posted - Oct 09 2017 :  5:08:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If this happens, I hope they make it look and feel like a zenit C, but with more speeds and apertures etc.
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