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Fred_L
France
193 Posts
Posted - Feb 10 2019 :  05:49:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all!!

If you are interested, this topic is to share the fakes we all have in our collections. In our countries, we surely all have different models. The purpose is also to know from wich type of camera the fake is coming from.

I am starting with 2 models of Sagem camera.
Engraving are in French
What is interesting is the base plate engraving
In correct French, we should have these words:
Fermé for close or lock
Ouvert for open
These models have the same uncorrect word for open: Ouvré
It does not exist in French. It's as you write opain for open....

Please enjoy

Fred




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_01_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_02_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_03_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_04_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_05_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_01_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_02_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_03_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_04_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_05_LD.jpg


Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
951 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Feb 10 2019 :  09:15:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_DSCF1692a.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_DSCF1692b.JPG

Actually I am not even sure if this is a fake or a true Shanghai-58-II Mk4 serial-#67006 from 1962. The price I paid was for a fake

Best regards,
Juhani
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Fred_L
France
193 Posts
Posted - Feb 10 2019 :  12:29:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From my point of vue Juhani, it is not a fke but a real Shanghai 58.
It seems to be very difficult to copy this camera, especially the top cover and Slow speed selector.
I own 3 Shanghai-58 and they seem to be exactly the same as yours...

I also have fake Shanghai-58. I'll make picture and post it

Fred
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
951 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Feb 10 2019 :  1:31:04 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you Fred, so I made a good deal years ago when I bought this

Must take good pictures of my "golden" Lieca also, it is a purchase from the time I still scanned analogue prints...
Even their prices have gone up nicely

Best regards,
Juhani

Edited by - cedricfan on Feb 10 2019 1:34:22 PM
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Fred_L
France
193 Posts
Posted - Feb 10 2019 :  1:52:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Juhani

Here are pics of my fake Shanghai-58 with Industar-22
Really different from yours...probably a Zorki 1-C from 1951-53..

Fred



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_01_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_02_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_03_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_04_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_05_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_06_LD.jpg

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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
951 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Feb 10 2019 :  2:27:01 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, very easy to see that it is not a genuine one!

Best regards,
Juhani
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Fred_L
France
193 Posts
Posted - Feb 13 2019 :  2:36:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all!!

One more camera
A special one..
Is it coorect to say it's a fake? Maybe it does not exist as an original one???

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_01_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_02_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_03_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_04_LD.jpg

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jed
France
358 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Feb 21 2019 :  12:40:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello Fred,

Last one is superb. I had one in hands a couple of months ago. Very well made ! Sold in a an auction, 250€.
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Fred_L
France
193 Posts
Posted - Feb 22 2019 :  4:46:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Jed!!

Long time no see....!!!

Fakes are not only Fed!!!
I am sure I will find some Kiev!!!

For the moment, look at this Zenit...
Comments are welcome!!!

Fred



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2222019_Zenit-122a_04_LD.jpg

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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
334 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Feb 22 2019 :  5:31:43 PM  Show Profile  Visit Guido's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello friends

Camera fakes and modifications are one of my special interessts some of you may know. There are 22 cameras in my collection at the moment, most of them "FED-Zorki" (8), five of them 1949 (!). But there are also some "special" FED's (4), two of them "Sibiria's". Also two Kristall's (full black und partial red), two Leica IId, and a colorful Leica-72. And a fake TSSVS of cause with an original Sonnar 50mm/2.0. Last but not least some modifications of the Zorki-1 (3) and one Zorki-3, not counting the two UssrPhoto commemoration cameras by the way.

On eBay you can't find much of such modifications and fakes in our days because the last forger or craftpersons with this knowledge are retired or passed away. That's by the way the reason why we can't find someone to build a third UssrPhoto commemoration camera sadly.

Best wishes - Guido
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Fred_L
France
193 Posts
Posted - Feb 23 2019 :  2:29:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Guido

Nice collection of fakes!!!

About commemoration models, I have one wich could be the fake of the fake??? Based on a Zorki C....

Here are some pics and a comparison with the original 5 years commemorative model (Number 007 just ordered by James Bond)

Fred




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_01_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_02_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_03_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_04_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_05_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_06_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_07_LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_08_LD.jpg

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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
334 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Feb 23 2019 :  3:17:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit Guido's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Hello Fred

Very nice fake of fake! It was made then together with the Zorki-1 batch? This remembers me a fake Leica based on a Zorki-C I've seen in an (other?) forum. A nice try too ... ;-)

Best wishes - Guido

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Jacques M.
France
2253 Posts
Posted - Mar 08 2019 :  10:56:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

My best (or worst? ) fake.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/832019_Fed Leica.jpg

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Alfa2
Poland
335 Posts
Posted - Mar 09 2019 :  07:33:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Aaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuu somebody spoiled so beautiful FED NKVD. I almost feel pain of my teeth.

Edited by - Alfa2 on Mar 09 2019 07:34:02 AM
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4084 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 09 2019 :  08:22:10 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Oh my God! Wow
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Jacques M.
France
2253 Posts
Posted - Mar 17 2019 :  10:36:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Yes, it's at least surprising.
Another picture of the same Fed 1a/Leica:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1732019_fed leica 2.jpg

Certainly, I have already posted about that fake.

Amitiés.

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Alfa2
Poland
335 Posts
Posted - Mar 18 2019 :  5:22:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Even the lens is original from early FED. What is serial no of the lens ?
Why distance scale has so strange numbers ?
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
951 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 18 2019 :  11:26:04 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Numbers are same as in my #3618 camera

Best regards,
Juhani
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Jacques M.
France
2253 Posts
Posted - Mar 19 2019 :  07:53:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

S/n of the lens: 6107. Certainly one of the last "one turn", and probably a bit too young for the body. I confirm about the numbers of the distance scale, which are normal.
On the front, "FED" only was suppressed, and replaced by "Elmar": there are traces of erasion. No other modifications, by comparison with my other "one turn" lenses.

Amitiés. Jacques.
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