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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Dec 16 2019 :  09:49:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello,

I have bought lately a Fed-Zorki (one more!) mainly because of its back (and secondly because I had a 1948 1,5/5cm ZK to put on).
Here it is:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/16122019_IMG_2445.JPG

First surprise: my ZK lens does not have the right position on it (infinity at 3 o'clock rather than 12). The mount seems in correct position. So, rather than turning the lensplate, I have put an Industar Moskva "tomb" which was waiting for a body too...

Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Dec 16 2019 :  09:56:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Here is the back:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/16122019_IMG_2447.JPG

It looks like a home made work, probably for a special work.
The back was partially cut, then replaced with foam to avoid any entry of light. The hole in the center is right in the middle of the film plate. Certainly a possibility to regulate the register. But for which type of work?

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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Dec 16 2019 :  09:59:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

All the rest is common.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/16122019_IMG_2450.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/16122019_IMG_2448.JPG

If you have any ideas concerning this back...

Amitiés. Jacques.

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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Dec 18 2019 :  3:21:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jacques, can you slide the back down? Maybe it was made to make the film loading easier?

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Dec 19 2019 :  07:33:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

No, Ulrich, I cannot slide the back. But I wonder if it was not re-fixed after the special use, just for selling.
I have tried to slip a film inside by the back: it's very difficult. There is not enough space for that. No doubt that the camera is not in working order.
Probably I will partially take it to pieces to know more in a while. That removing back remembers me my Reid and Sigrist which had been specially prepared for use on periscopes in submarines.

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Dec 26 2019 :  4:59:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jacques, it would be interesting to see what's under the removed back.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Dec 27 2019 :  04:56:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

As far as I can, Ulrich (problem at a hand for the moment).

Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 09 2020 :  08:52:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So, I have taken to pieces this strange early Fed-Zorki.
As it can be foreseen, the back is removable. I did not want to force, and it is tightly mounted.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/912020_IMG_0023.JPG


Edited by - Jacques M. on Jan 09 2020 08:54:48 AM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 09 2020 :  09:01:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

The press film is directly rivetted to the back. So, no spring behind, and I have measured a register strictly at 28,8mm (there are important variations on pre-war Feds).


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/912020_IMG_0011.JPG

A important correction is made on the lens plate which is thicker than usual.

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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 09 2020 :  09:07:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

The two aluminium plates which guide the removable back are rivetted on the body.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/912020_IMG_0014.JPG

Light tightness is fastened through velvet bands glued to the removable part.



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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 09 2020 :  09:17:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All the rest of the camera is ordinary, with a hole on the upper plate for a connexion towards the low speed spring, like on many pre war Feds. This plate could come from Fed parts, unless the early Zorkis have this same hole (I have not checked)...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/912020_IMG_0009.JPG

And a photo of the cover, just for the alphabetical mark.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/912020_IMG_0018.JPG

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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 09 2020 :  09:35:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

So, why this removable back? Which special use? Army?
I own a Reid which has a round opening on the back. This Reid was prepared to use on submarine periscopes.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/912020_Reid 2208 2.jpg

But the Russian system, on Zorki 3 and 4, is different.
So, an industrial purpose? A one shot camera? (it's Guido's idea)

Thanks for your comments!

Amitiés. Jacques.
PS: sorry for the bad quality of the photos. Very poor light here, and I wanted to reassemble the camera...

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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Jan 09 2020 :  11:10:28 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Jacques, I've seen this before quite a few times on early Zenits and Zorkis, this is a home "Leica" modification.

Best regards,
Vlad
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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
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Posted - Jan 09 2020 :  4:07:48 PM  Show Profile  Visit Guido's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Hello Jacques

Yes, my guess was it could be used to take single pictures to be developed as soon as possible. The reason for that could be to test the right exposure of a studio scene to adjust the parameters. I used to do this in my own darkroom decades ago with photopapers too to estimate how long the exposure has to take.

Just my 2 cents.

Best wishes - Guido
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Alfa2
Poland
349 Posts
Posted - Jan 10 2020 :  4:11:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My guess was it could be the camera for macrophotography. Somhere in laboratory.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jan 11 2020 :  4:40:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jacques,

intresting, thanks for diassembling. I also think that it was made for easier loading like on the Leica M cameras.

Ulrich



http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 14 2020 :  08:08:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thanks for your answers!

My guess is rather on the home made modification, for a special purpose: macrophoto would be a good idea. The sliding back would allow to check directly the result. And Guido explained how a one shot camera could be used in a darkroom. Sure there can be other possible explanations...

The fact is that the result of the change is rather crude. The two aluminium plates are not polished, the right one is not perfectly perpendicular, the velvet stripes are not regularly placed, etc. But the register has been very cautiously corrected with an extra plate and even a part of a sheet of newspaper under the lensplate. That makes me think of a camera made for shooting, not exactly a distant imitation of the "M". I know too Russian copies of the M, with a flapping back door which are much more convincing.

But who knows...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 24 2020 :  10:24:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have just found again photos of a Leica fake with a flapping door. And it is a half format. What a work! (photos Cameraquest)


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2412020_leica 72 fake 1.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2412020_Leica 72 fake 5.jpg

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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Jan 24 2020 :  10:49:54 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
whoa that's an interesting fake! The top cover was completely custom manufactured!
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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
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Posted - Jan 25 2020 :  03:13:32 AM  Show Profile  Visit Guido's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Hello friends of fakes

From the same workshop this two other fakes:

Another Leica 72 fake with a different serial number seen in 2016:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2512020_Leica 72 357151, front.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2512020_Leica 72 357151, back.jpg

And this not so colorful Leica I seen in 2014:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2512020_Leica Standard 0017, front-top.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2512020_Leica Standard 0017, back.jpg

The Leica 72 with the serial number 357166 that Jacques has shown was sold in 2010 as far as I know. The workshop was located in Moscow and once an article about the maker was publicated in a collectors magazine.

Best wishes - Guido



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