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Created by AidasCams on 1/21/2008 4:23:59 AM
Last Edited by Jacques M. on 10/5/2020 11:37:40 AM  
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Alfa2
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Posted - Apr 26 2016 :  11:18:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

This will not solve our problem but I saw FED produced shortly after 210 000. It had vulcanite from FED NKAP. Maybe it will be possible to find it and place a photo here.

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Lenny
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Posted - Apr 28 2016 :  05:04:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lenny


So Fed produced Fed-Zorkis with 1/1000 speed together with KMZ in Krasnogorsk
and at the same time produced Fed-1f with 1/500 speed in Kharkov.



Often it is said, that Fed had trouble after the war to set up production again. It is said, because of this trouble Fed had a joint venture with KMZ to produce Fed-KMZ and Fed-Zorki.

Of course, everything from the former Fed factory was lost for Fed, it might have been in the hands of KMZ at that time. But Fed was able to set up production again in June 1948, at the same time when Fed-Zorkis were produced in Krasnogorsk. The passport of Fed-Zorki #00697 is known, dated 11/X/1948. It seems Krasnogorsk production wasn't much ahead, Kharkov was able to produce hundrets of Fed-1 in 1948 too.

If I compare my early Fed-1f from 1949 with my Zorki-1a also from 1949, the Fed looks superior in quality. It seems to me, Fed was AHEAD, while KMZ assembled prewar parts and started to set up own production.

Edited by - Lenny on Apr 28 2016 05:11:51 AM
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Lenny
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Posted - May 01 2016 :  11:51:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We know about passport #129314 dated 31/V/1940 and passport #136157 dated 20/VIII/1940. 6843 cameras were produced, 595 cameras per week. That seems not much. Did the factory have 2 weeks summer holidays in 1940?
Then we know passport #145179 dated 22/X/1940. 9022 cameras till #136157, 1002 cameras per week. That seems much.
Then we know passport #168018 dated 18/VI/1941, just 4 days before the war started. 22839 cameras till #145179, 670 cameras per week.
Then we know passport #180024 dated 31/VII/1941. 12006 cameras till #168018, 1968 cameras per week. That's much too much. Can't be true if we assume the passport dates are right.
Then from #180024 till the last in the wiki #183892 it's 774 cameras per week till the factory evacuation started on 05/IX/1941. That seems possible again. But still, something must be wrong here.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - May 02 2016 :  9:51:33 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RCCCUK

I thought you might be interested in this photograph from the book, 'On the Wings of History - 75 Years of the FED Factory 1927-2002'.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1782013_fed photo.jpg
I believe that the caption reads, ' Assembling the first postwar FED cameras. Berdsk, February 1946'.

David.




Hi David, do you by any chance have this book and is it possible to see the cover? Thanks!
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David Tomlinson
RCCCUK
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Posted - May 03 2016 :  03:30:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Vlad,
Yes, I have the book.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/352016_FED Book 1.jpg
Dust Cover.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/352016_FED Book 2.jpg
Front Cover.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/352016_FED Book 3.jpg
Publishing Details.


David.
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Alfa2
Poland
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Posted - May 03 2016 :  04:26:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Wow, is the book scanned and somewhere available ?


Edited by - Alfa2 on May 03 2016 04:29:06 AM
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - May 03 2016 :  07:25:08 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you so much, David!
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Lenny
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Posted - May 03 2016 :  07:26:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Which number had the FED plant before the war in Kharkov? Was it plant #296?

Thanks
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Posted - May 03 2016 :  11:30:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/352016_IMG_0002.jpg

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Lenny
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Posted - May 03 2016 :  12:00:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Alexey,

so I guess when Fed was Kommuna under the NKVD it was plant #296.
Did the number change when they came under the NKAP in Febuary 1941?
Did they keep the plant number in Berdsk?
Did they have the same number when they relocated to Kharkov again in 1946?
What are the plants #297 and #393 ?

I just want to comletely understand what Zoom wrote in this thread. Zoom mentioned plant numbers with important decisions.

Thanks

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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - May 03 2016 :  2:59:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Huh? Yoshkar-Ola? I thought it was Berdsk??? Alexey??
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Lenny
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Posted - May 03 2016 :  11:59:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lenny


Then we know passport #180024 dated 31/VII/1941. 12006 cameras till #168018, 1968 cameras per week. That's much too much. Can't be true if we assume the passport dates are right.



This is not a problem at all, because there is another passport #164716 dated 18/III/1941. Then the production was 793 cameras per week from March 18th till July 31st, 1941. That seems possible and it also match with the highest serial in the wiki #183892, which would be 774 cameras per week till the evacuation started. Seems to me #183892 was still produced in Kharkov.

Then there was no camera produktion during the war. The first Fed made in Berdsk was produced in January 1946. End of 1942 all equipment and staff was transfered to Krasnogorsk and likely all left over parts of Fed-1e. Not possible to assemble Fed-1e from parts in Berdsk, they had nothing, they started from scratch. And as we know Fed-Zorkis were made from left over parts, likely unengraved top plates too and if there were already some engraved Fed-1e top plates, those likely would have been re-engraved as Fed-Zorki.

Edited by - Lenny on May 04 2016 12:05:59 AM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 04 2016 :  11:32:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

Huh? Yoshkar-Ola? I thought it was Berdsk??? Alexey??



Astonishing!
Vlad, please, could it be possible to have a traslation of this line "19"?
I see that KMZ is quoted, with the year 1943.

Thanks. Jacques.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - May 04 2016 :  11:41:44 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.
Vlad, please, could it be possible to have a traslation of this line "19"?



Jacques, it says:
Factory and from where relocated: Ukraine, FED Labor Commune (City of Kharkov)
Factory Number (?): 3 (NKVD), 296 (NKAP)
Place of relocation: City of Yoshkar-Ola (huh?)
Final destination after de-evacuation: Partial re-evacuation to Krasnogorsk, KMZ 1943
Destination Factory Number: 393
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 04 2016 :  1:23:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thanks, Vlad.
That could be a piece of the general puzzle, which leads from Kharkov to Kharkov, with a partial re evacuation to KMZ (in 1943?).
But what about this "Yoshkar-Ola"? Why is Berdsk missing? And Kiev too (for the Fed-Arsenal)?

Anyway, it seems that the story is really entangled. And as we don't have the status of Alexey's document, it's difficult to know what it means exactly...

Alexey, if you could tell us more...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Lenny
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Posted - May 04 2016 :  2:47:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Of course Arsenal and Berdsk and there might be others. A factory needed to be evacuated and not only one factory. Space was needed to store all that equipment. Lines 16, 17 and 18 on Alexey's list are black.

Important is only what happened after the war since there was no camera production during the war. Interesting is that they built NEW cameras in Kharkov, while in Krasnogorsk left over parts were RECYCLED, makes me love my early Fed-1f even more, and Zorkis have a touch of garbage, at least the early ones.

Edited by - Lenny on May 04 2016 3:03:03 PM
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  07:29:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello!
Jacques, you'll be pleasantly surprised, but FED-KMZ, FED-Zorki and FED-Arsenal have common roots of the FED NKAP! So from Berdsk details we go to different plants! Even parts for TSVVS from Germany came to the factory, which had not produced photographic equipment.
I do not know why the author pointed out the evacuation of the city of Yoshkar-Ola. In the book, 50 and 75 years of plant FED indicated Berdsk.
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  07:50:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Ha ha! Thanks, Alexey!
So, there would be a "main" line between Kharkov and Berdsk.
And from Berdsk, some "secondary" lines towards KMZ (production of Fed-KMZ and Fed-Zorki) and Arsenal-Kiev (trial of production of Fed-Arsenal).

And the Fed-NKAP were produced in Berdsk.

Can you confirm all that? But which book do you speak of?

Thanks! Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  08:14:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lenny



Important is only what happened after the war since there was no camera production during the war.



It's a supposition, a guessing, or whatever else. But we have no proof: we don't have any documents to attest that.
Even if I have the same opinion: my previous posts show that. But it's only an opinion. And some cameras could perfectly have been mounted with spare parts made previously.

So, I regret the recent (and important) modifications of the wiki, which turn opinions into facts. It's for me only a question of rule: I don't discuss on what was written.

Jacques.
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Lenny
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  09:08:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by levonsa


I do not know why the author pointed out the evacuation to the city of Yoshkar-Ola. In the book, 50 and 75 years of plant FED indicated Berdsk.



Thanks to Zoom and I found this:
http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/misc/gko-docs.html#n374
Order #374 from August 2nd, 1941. Building a new plant #297 in Yoschkar-Ola Mari ASSR now called Mari Machine Works.

Where to put all the equipment. They built a new plant.
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  11:46:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lenny

Thanks to Zoom and I found this:
http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/misc/gko-docs.html#n374
Order #374 from August 2nd, 1941. Building a new plant #297 in Yoschkar-Ola Mari ASSR now called Mari Machine Works.




Bravo!

Jacques.
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Lenny
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  12:09:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In the wiki of Fed-1e was stated that according to Princelle the evacuation started on September 5th, 1941.
But there's order #681. The evacuation was ordered on September 16th.

http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/misc/gko-docs.html#n681

11 more days to produce the last Fed-1e. Now they needed only to produce 586 cameras per week if #183892 is the last Fed-1e. That's pretty doable and gives time for even a #185xxx.
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Lenny
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  12:14:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alfa2


This will not solve our problem but I saw FED produced shortly after 210 000. It had vulcanite from FED NKAP. Maybe it will be possible to find it and place a photo here.



Alfa, why do you want a photo, vulcanite housings can easily be changed.
There is #210235 with stretched stripes vulcanite as Jacques would call it
and also #200347 with snowflake vulcanite as Alexey would call it.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  12:22:30 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Alexey, Lenny, I'm still hung up on the Yoshkar-Ola.. Berdsk is 2500km east of that city! I guess it's possible that FED with its equipment didn't fit entirely into Yoshkar-Ola plant and was moved further and camera/optical division ended up in Berdsk.. strange..
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Lenny
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  12:52:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jacques, I think what I changed and added in the wiki still leaves room for phantasies if someone want to have some. But I think we should not hide the facts and the facts are massive. I think I didn't put my opinion into the wiki, but facts. Also corrected some mistakes and everything started with the database which was a mess before. But everybody is free and should add other facts to the wiki, it's important, that's also why we have this interesting thread.
- I calculated how many cameras could have been produced till evacuation, a #185000 would be possible.
- Besides that we know passports and I was same skeptical that most passports came from DVD. But they look original to me, and they match the timeline. #180024 is not a passport, at least not what I saw, but even without it calculations would come to the same results.
- There is this photo from Berdsk stating they produced the FIRST Fed in January/Febuary 1946.
- Before, as Zoom told us, they were not allowed to produce cameras, order #2445. The photo mentioning the FIRST Fed makes sense.
- The FED equipment, engineers and technicians were transferred to KMZ and KOMZ in late 1942, order #2445.
- I have my own late Fed-1e now, I'm sure it's an original one, it looks so good, works so well, I doubt they could have made it in Berdsk from scratch.
- I left the passage in the wiki that even Fed-1d with serials up to #176000 could be made in Berdsk. This possibility is really funny now. With the information we have now this passage would have never been posted in the wiki.
Facts which all make sense together.
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Lenny
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  1:56:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Niko80


Also I'd like to point out that I am now the owner of the FED"e" #180024 with the corresponding documents. If there is any information I can provide just let me know.

Regards,
Christian



Hi Christian,
the documents I saw are not a dated passport. What I saw was a small paper dated 31/July/1941, maybe a documentation that the camera was complete and checked. Are there other dated documents?
Thanks
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  2:44:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lenny

quote:
Originally posted by Alfa2


This will not solve our problem but I saw FED produced shortly after 210 000. It had vulcanite from FED NKAP. Maybe it will be possible to find it and place a photo here.



Alfa, why do you want a photo, vulcanite housings can easily be changed.
There is #210235 with stretched stripes vulcanite as Jacques would call it
and also #200347 with snowflake vulcanite as Alexey would call it.



Lenny! Camera ФЭД №210340 have classical vulcanite.

Edited by - levonsa on May 05 2016 2:45:59 PM
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Alfa2
Poland
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  3:22:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lenny

Alfa, why do you want a photo, vulcanite housings can easily be changed.
There is #210235 with stretched stripes vulcanite as Jacques would call it
and also #200347 with snowflake vulcanite as Alexey would call it.



Sorry, I have written this not exactely clear. I meant I should find my camera and place a photo here. But problem for me is to find the camera because I don't know where I have it. I haven't seen the FED for many years.


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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  4:21:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lenny,

I don't say you are wrong. I just say you are too in a hurry.
Of course,you do what you want with the wiki. As anybody who is able to add something. Or to change something if he is not OK with what you wrote. As for me, I will never "correct" what is written by somebody else, without discussion, and it's for me a question of principle. And of credibility too. Note that I'm not the author of the Fed 1e page...

The wiki is a space of certitude, and the threads a space of discussion. So, now, about what is written.

-No calculation will tell us exactly what happened. We just can be sure that the material for some 10000 1e were made at Kharkov before september 1941. We cannot be sure where the cameras were mounted. All or partly in Kharkov? That's the point.
-I don't understand your skepticism about the Fed S 180024. It's one of the rare original documents, and you doubt of it.
-The photo was taken at Berdsk's. Right. But we don't know in which conditions. Nor what the different persons do exactly. They look much more engineers presenting cameras. Publicity or else? And which camera?
-Zoom is OK, of course. Nevertheless, I point that he changed his mind lately. Before, it was impossible, for him, to accept that KMZ had received any parts from Fed.
-I'm happy to know that the Fed equipment was, at least partially, tranferred to KMZ: it is what I guessed. But is it now a fact or always an affirmation?

I'm happy for you that you have your own original 1e. I think too that's important to have cameras in the hands to write about them. As for me, I think (guess!) that:
-The parts for 1e-s were totally made before the september 1941 at Kharkov.
-They were mounted totally or partially in Kharkov,
-Some Feds could have been mounted at Berdsk, during the war, for local or other reasons,
-KMZ and Arsenal received Fed parts to mount their own Fed-KMZ and Fed-Arsenal. But what? And through which ways?
-Red Flags were made in 1946 at Berdsk's.

A bit worried by this discussion. I will let you with your "facts" and the wiki. But I always keep some reasonable doubts. One of them being: why were these cameras called "Berdsk" if none of them were made at Berdsk? And why were the NKVD 1d (between 173600/176000) called "return from Berdsk"? Only imagination or fantasy?



Edited by - Jacques M. on May 05 2016 4:33:21 PM
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Lenny
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  5:46:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jacques,
I think it was time to update something. There will never be the final version and we can change everything at any time. If anybody finds a mistake in the wiki it should be corrected directly. It's impossible to know who wrote what in the wiki, at least for me.

What is the highest serial number for a 1e in your database? If there were so many top plates made unassembled we should have found them already. As I said before, left over parts were transferred to KMZ and they recycled everything.

I ask about the passport of #180024 because someone mentioned it in the wiki. If there is no passport I would like to correct the mistake. I think too that the papers I saw about #180024 look original, I don't doubt them, I used them for my calculation. I only would like to be correct in the wiki.

Jacques, you often talk about the shutter crates, that some are made of brass and some of alloy. Which parts do you check, only the base plate of the shutter crate? You said #115000 till #184000 are made of alloy, #200000 till #223000 are made of brass. So brass crates should be postwar, right. I just checked some of my Feds and think there might be something interesting to talk about. Seems my #182393 is brass and should be postwar then. My #221333 is alloy, my #242xxx is brass. I need to check some others. Maybe Fed used both types at the same time.
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levonsa
levonsa
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  5:47:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jacques, do not worry! I'll try to answer your questions on my website. The article will be in Russian, but I think if Vlad and our other guys will help all to translate it into English.
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Lenny
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Posted - May 05 2016 :  6:07:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alfa2


Sorry, I have written this not exactely clear. I meant I should find my camera and place a photo here. But problem for me is to find the camera because I don't know where I have it. I haven't seen the FED for many years.



Don't say sorry Alfa, search for it tomorrow and everything is fine. I want to see it
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Alfa2
Poland
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Posted - May 06 2016 :  03:53:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I will try to search for it on the coming weekend.
Regarding vulcanite there are some rules but there are exceptions too. I saw original vulcanite of FED NKVD but not black, the colour was like coffe with milk. We had discussion about it with my colleague - art historian who is really interesred in old FEDs.

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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 06 2016 :  07:16:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lenny,

OK,OK.
For me, what is written is conclusive. I am of the generation of paper which could not change their reference books several times a year...

That said, I agree with you at, let us say 90% with what you wrote. Especially about Berdsks which were not made at Berdsk and KMZ which used Fed parts. I had said all that (I was not alone!) in 2013 and earlier. I just wonder what happened so that these ideas have something of official now? Zoom's article? With all the respect due to him, it's not enough. Proofs need documents, and I don't see any. Perhaps I missed something?

Now, my doubts. I had made the same calculation as you and my personal conclusions were just at the opposite. With the declaration of war and the run of the German Army towards the east, it seemed difficult to prepare the evacuation in emergency, while making around 4000 cameras, all that in two months or so. It's why I think Fed could have achieved quickly all the parts for the entire Fed e series, without mounting all of them. The final mounting job for the remaining batch of cameras could have been made at Berdsk's or elsewhere: not difficult when all the needed parts are available.

That said, you may be right too.

In fact, I globally think that we miss original documents to be as affirmative as you are. Paradoxally, the best documented camera in this period is the Fed-Arsenal! For the moment, and as far as I know...

I check my cameras about your brass/alloy question.

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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 06 2016 :  07:34:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After a quick glance, I confirm what I have already written:
- brass shutter crates up to s/n c. 115000,
- alloy up to the end of 1e series,
- brass for my personal NKAP Red Flag,
- brass for the 1f series, up to 250000,
- alloy after.

Note that the limits are those I observe on my personal cameras. And certainly, there could be mixed parts, specially after WW2.
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Lenny
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Posted - May 06 2016 :  08:09:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.

After a quick glance, I confirm what I have already written:
- brass shutter crates up to s/n c. 115000,
- alloy up to the end of 1e series,
- brass for my personal NKAP Red Flag,
- brass for the 1f series, up to 250000,
- alloy after.

Note that the limits are those I observe on my personal cameras. And certainly, there could be mixed parts, specially after WW2.



Thanks Jacques,

so you check only the bottom plate of the shutter crate, right.
Strange, so my #182393 could be a fake which I doubt, could be postwar which I doubt too, and my #221333 is also a mystery. Both I got very cheap

We need more samples for brass and alloy crates in the serial range #170.000 till #250.000 please.
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Zoom
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Posted - May 07 2016 :  6:59:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lenny
Thanks to Zoom and I found this:
http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/misc/gko-docs.html#n374


You're welcome. But I don't understand why the plant No.297 NKV in Yoshkar-Ola emerged in the discussion...
The plant No.296 NKAP was sent to Berdsk by the GKO Order No.681.
Btw., the text of the GKO Order No.2445 can be found here: http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/misc/gko-2445.html
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Lenny
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Posted - May 08 2016 :  06:48:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zoom

But I don't understand why the plant No.297 NKV in Yoshkar-Ola emerged in the discussion...
The plant No.296 NKAP was sent to Berdsk by the GKO Order No.681.



Hello Zoom,

02.08.1941 they started building plant #297 Yoschkar-Ola (order #374).
16.09.1941 they ordered the evacuation to Berdsk (order #681) when building the new Yoschkar-Ola plant wasn't finished yet.

Yoschkar-Ola might be on the way to Berdsk and at some point in time the new plant was built. If there is a new plant available it saves much time to store the Fed equipment there.

Then there is the paper Alexey posted. Maybe there are some orders we don't know about yet.
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Zoom
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Posted - May 08 2016 :  09:34:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lenny

Yoschkar-Ola might be on the way to Berdsk...


I do not know how to comment on it...
Nope.

P. S. It is impossible to consider this delirium:
http://ussrphoto.com/UserContent/352016_IMG_0002.jpg
as a reliable source!

Edited by - Zoom on May 08 2016 09:58:03 AM
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Lenny
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Posted - May 08 2016 :  10:51:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Zoom

It is impossible to consider this delirium:
http://ussrphoto.com/UserContent/352016_IMG_0002.jpg
as a reliable source!



Now I see, it's page 88 from a book.
Which book is it?
The 1200 camera book?
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Alfa2
Poland
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Posted - May 08 2016 :  1:28:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I promised to place photo of my FED. It's number is 210 193. Hmmm, strange camera.

Here they are.




















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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 08 2016 :  2:36:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Exceptional!
The NKAP vulcanite, and the prewar release button!
One of the very first 1f...

Congrats, Alfa! Jacques.
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Lenny
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Posted - May 08 2016 :  4:15:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you so much Alfa,

what a beauty. How many years do you have it?
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Lenny
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Posted - May 08 2016 :  4:20:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sad, it's not working, right?

Edited by - Lenny on May 08 2016 7:50:31 PM
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Alfa2
Poland
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Posted - May 09 2016 :  01:46:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thank you Jacques, thank you Lenny.

I have the FED about 15 years. Unfortunately it is not working now but it was working when I bought it. I think this is only problem with glue which is used for a shutter ribbon to glue it to a roller. Good that the FED is complete and I will fix it during winter when my repairman has less orders than during summer.

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Lenny
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Posted - May 09 2016 :  02:46:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alfa2


Thank you Jacques, thank you Lenny.

I have the FED about 15 years. Unfortunately it is not working now but it was working when I bought it. I think this is only problem with glue which is used for a shutter ribbon to glue it to a roller. Good that the FED is complete and I will fix it during winter when my repairman has less orders than during summer.



I had that problem too on a Zorki-C, the glue wasn't strong enough on the drum. But good you have someone to fix it.

Great you have it for so many years, it's kind of a reference to be original. And #210235 has this stretched stripes vulcanite too, so it match with it.
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Alfa2
Poland
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Posted - May 09 2016 :  04:05:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lenny
And #210235 has this stretched stripes vulcanite too, so it match with it.
That's great. I had the same doubts.
What about the lens S/N ? It seems to be OK, FED 210 193 and the lens number 217 - little bit greater.
Seems they started lenses numbering from the beginning with FED 210 000.
What do you think ?


Edited by - Alfa2 on May 09 2016 04:06:40 AM
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Lenny
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Posted - May 09 2016 :  04:51:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alfa2


What about the lens S/N ? It seems to be OK, FED 210 193 and the lens number 217 - little bit greater.
Seems they started lenses numbering from the beginning with FED 210 000.
What do you think ?



I don't know what Fed did with the lens serial numbers, especially when they are not stamped at the lock. I guess 217 is a kind of batch number only and it didn't get a real serial number. But since they just started with #210000 you could be right. Maybe we will know more about lens serials one day.
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - May 09 2016 :  05:02:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I think too it's a batch number (or a control number) rather a real serial number, by the s/n of lenses I know on other Fed 1f.

Jacques.
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Lenny
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Posted - May 09 2016 :  07:41:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is also a lens number on the lever but the lens needs to be screwd out off the helicoid to see this number.

It would be really interesting to resolve the secret of Fed lens numbers, but thousands of numbers would be needed.
This could be a challenge for ussrphoto.com with its thousand members.
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