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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Jun 24 2009 :  08:23:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Hello!
I have owned the S for several years.
But the simple NKVD is a recent discovery.
A miracle ?


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2462009_Consecutive Fed 002.jpg

Amitiés. Jacques.

Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4236 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 24 2009 :  08:45:11 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello Jacques!

Amazing!!!!! I never thought I'd see this day but it did happen!! Congratulations! Now we need to find the #67722 to see whether FED-S production was sustained in groups or was just randomly picked regular model and modified.

Vlad.
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Jun 24 2009 :  09:20:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Hi Vlad!

It can take several centuries to find the # 67722!
Anyway, these two cameras were certainly engraved with the same machine tool using the same regulatings: the second "7" is slightly upwards on both.
But the clip is no exactly the same. Perhaps made outside?

Amitiés. Jacques.
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zhang
Kievuser
310 Posts
Posted - Jun 24 2009 :  11:27:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
AMAZING!
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James McGee
James McGee
Azerbaijan
192 Posts
Posted - Jun 26 2009 :  3:44:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Jacques,
Congtratulations, truly astounding!!! I think that now we will all be looking through our Fed-1 cameras in the search for 67722, and 67725
Best wishes to all Jim.
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
973 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 29 2009 :  03:43:37 AM  Show Profile  Visit AidasCams's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Jacques,

it's fantastic, my best congratulations!!! It was my old dream to have a pair of cameras with consecutive numbers indeed You've made my dream into reality, BRAVO!

Best Regards,
Aidas
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Jun 29 2009 :  08:50:05 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Hi friends!

Thanks!

To be honest, I didn't really look for cameras with consecutive numbers: I thought it was impossible.
And when I saw this serial # 66724, I first thought it was not unknown to me. And after having checked my other NKVDs....

But it's only hazard: what are the chances to get such a couple when there are about 128000 NKVDs (1c to 1e) and 13000 S among them?

Merci, Aidas! It's marvelous to share such dreams!

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Milo Schekkerman
Valkir1987
Netherlands
193 Posts
Posted - Aug 15 2009 :  08:58:08 AM  Show Profile  Click to see Valkir1987's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1582009_76777.jpg

I recently got this one on ebay. A Fed NKVD with the serial number 76777. It came a week ago and I gave it a full cla and new curtains. (cleaning and relubricating all moving parts)

The speed selector had and extra 1/1000 speed drilled, but there is a small screw in the dial that prevents selecting it! When the screw is removed the time of 1/1000 works. This is the first camera that I opened up which had this extra hole on the dial.

Greetings :)
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Diego Cabassa
Diego Cabassa
Italy
6 Posts
Posted - Aug 16 2009 :  10:40:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.


Hello!
I have owned the S for several years.
But the simple NKVD is a recent discovery.
A miracle ?



Hello Jacques,
congratuletion for your finding!

The speed selector had and extra 1/1000 speed drilled, but there is a small screw in the dial that prevents selecting it! When the screw is removed the time of 1/1000 works. This is the first camera that I opened up which had this extra hole on the dial.

Thank Milo, for your information about it!

Best regards


Diego
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4236 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Aug 16 2009 :  11:49:27 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Milo, that's a startling discovery! I wonder if this was an unfinished FED-S or someone mixed up the parts at the factory... quite interesting thanks for posting it!

Vlad.
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dee * [ adopted ] dowling
dee
United Kingdom
114 Posts
Posted - Aug 18 2009 :  1:35:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would just love that ! consequitive numbers - I am getting to believe that there was quite a lot of mix and match at the various factories - the pressure for quantities must have been immense .

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Kirill Yegoshin
SnuSmu
Russia
18 Posts
Posted - Aug 26 2009 :  03:11:15 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
here is another next-dorr neighbour http://www.molotok.ru/item714867555_redkij_fed_s_1_1000_vyderzhkoj.html
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4236 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Aug 26 2009 :  09:09:49 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
yea nice lens on it but too bad not original..
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Bill Parkinson
nightphoto
USA
1027 Posts
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Posted - Aug 26 2009 :  11:11:57 AM  Show Profile  Visit nightphoto's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for showing us Kirill!

Even if the lens is not the original, it shows that FED No.67739 was picked to be a FED-S, and is only 16 camera numbers away from the FED-S No. 67723.

I have added it to the list of FED-S examples in the WIKI.


Regards, Bill

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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Aug 26 2009 :  2:59:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Fine!
Perhaps we could find one of the 15 cameras between # 67724 and 67739?
About Milo's # 76777, I own a special S not far from his (#76862) with ear straps and leather (instead of vulcanite). It seems as if Fed had made different trials for the S at this period...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Sep 22 2009 :  3:13:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
another bizarre Fed S... the 1000 mark is not original
http://cgi.befr.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370229343995&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Stephan
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts
Posted - Sep 22 2009 :  3:16:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
and a fed-zorki S...
http://cgi.befr.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230005189013&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_983wt_1167

far too expensive for me...

Stephan
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
248 Posts
Posted - Apr 07 2014 :  03:58:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Jacques hello! I've had these two cameras, but with a difference in one year! I started to sell FED number 7428. Then one year there was number 7429, but not earlier I had. Now I am ripping my hair out!
All good mood!
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/742014_123.jpg


Edited by - levonsa on Apr 07 2014 10:28:38 AM
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Apr 07 2014 :  10:10:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I hope you will find it again!
(your file does not work?)

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Niko80
Austria
174 Posts
Posted - Aug 23 2014 :  5:32:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
At least in the wiki, we have another FED1 pair:
# 172681 FED1-S (D)
# 172682 FED1 (D)

The FED-S appears to be sold, but the normal FED is on ebay
http://www.ebay.de/itm/FED-NKVD-Rare-Russian-35mm-Rangefinder-Camera-No-172682-/251622684724?pt=US_Vintage_Cameras&hash=item3a95e17834
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Aug 24 2014 :  06:00:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks,Christian!

In the wiki, we have too two consecutive 1a: the 4642 (mine) and the 4643 (Aidas's).

Amitiés.
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Milo Schekkerman
Valkir1987
Netherlands
193 Posts
Posted - Mar 27 2015 :  4:05:40 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Valkir1987's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
A common Fed (serial number 114471) from 1939, but with the extra 1/1000 speed drilled in the dial too like the 76777 built the year before. (the dial is made from hardened steel, instead of brass)

Another interesting fact is that the lens thread entry is the same as the post war Fed 1f series.

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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Mar 29 2015 :  08:54:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Milo,

Yes, it seems that many NKVD were made with the extra hole giving the 1/1000th. So, what is exactly the difference between a common NKVD and a "S"? Just a problem of regulation, perhaps?

About the lens, I am not sure to understand. Do you speak of the 39mm screw or of the internal one? The last one, I suppose?

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Milo Schekkerman
Valkir1987
Netherlands
193 Posts
Posted - Mar 29 2015 :  2:43:25 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Valkir1987's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Do you speak of the 39mm screw


Yes, its where the infinity mark stops when you change lenses. Adding a speed of 1/1000 requires extra care when placing and regulating the curtains.

The screw in the shutter dial prevents the knob from selecting the fast speed. The FedS has a special selector with a cutout, which fits the screw and the fastest speed.
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Mar 30 2015 :  02:24:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the detail about the speed selector. I have often dismounted "normal" NKVD and S, but I had never paid attention to that!

About the lens, I think too of the screw between the crown (distance ring) and the lens (depth of field). Impossible to invert prewar with postwar parts, as it seems. Curious.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Mar 30 2015 07:52:48 AM
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