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Vladislav Kern
Vlad

USA
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Posted - Sep 27 2016 :  9:43:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So a friend alerted me that this past weekend a Nippon II camera was auctioned off for 4,400 EUR..

https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/47550621_nippon-ii-for-oc-ciro-1946

What do you guys see?

Cheers,
Vlad
Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
1959 Posts
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Posted - Sep 27 2016 :  9:52:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A good fake from FED
Teh lens is the Industar 22 by judging the meter scale the front is redone with a new ring, reengraved andhas a reducer for the neyw aperture.
That is my veredict.
Regards
LP
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Sep 27 2016 :  10:11:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Indeed, a FED 1c .. someone is going to be very upset...

What's even more interesting this exact camera (seems like it) is in the McKeown's 12th edition. Same one from a FED.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2792016_14508512_10154538441248669_901280881_n.jpg

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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 :  02:30:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vlad


What's even more interesting this exact camera (seems like it) is in the McKeown's 12th edition.


... and I think exact this fact is the reason for this fantastic auction price.
Maybe they are doing business together?

Nevertheless it is rather strange for me. I know this Auction Team Breker for some time and they seems to be very professional. Some time ago it was not possible to buy on Breker's online, exclusively personally in Cologne.

Regards, Alexander

Edited by - AlexanderK on Sep 28 2016 02:30:58 AM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 :  02:39:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The serial number is more realistic as well on the Mc Keown. But always fake...
And the one on Team Breker is really badly done.

Here is a site with some genuine ones: http://corsopolaris.net/supercameras/nicca/nicca.html

Amitiés. Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Sep 28 2016 02:41:17 AM
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Alfa2
Poland
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 :  07:09:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, this is FED 1c, the vulcanite is from postwar Leica. I don't see rewind knob it seems to be from Leica too.
What is the lever (you have to set it at "R" in Leica when you want re rewind a film) from ?
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 :  08:29:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Yes, a late 1c or a 1d (position of the central screw, no pin on the accessory shoe and probably no screw under the rewind button).
The rewind lever comes from a Fed too (with B under it, instead of R on Leicas).

No certitude concerning the mechanism. Probably a Fed's...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 :  10:03:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It is amazing how you can confuse a signature viewfinder "curving" frame on a Nicca with a straight one on a FED .. it's a dead giveaway
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 :  11:10:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Just a pure gift at this price, 4400€...
I offer my Nicca-Fed for half this sum. Normal: it's a Nicca, not a Nippon II


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2892016_DSCF2291.JPG

Amitiés. Jacques.

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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
584 Posts
Posted - Sep 28 2016 :  2:13:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jacques,
you can offer your camera to Breker's

Regards, Alexander
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Jacques M.
France
2554 Posts
Posted - Sep 28 2016 :  4:54:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AlexanderK

Jacques,
you can offer your camera to Breker's

Regards, Alexander



Sure I will! But it won't be "covered" by the McKeown...

To be serious, I think that the upper Nicca, on the McKeown page, is certainly genuine: correct cover, good finder window shape, and plausible serial number. By what I know!
On the lower one (which was just bought), a Fed shape for the window, a serial number which is unknown. Above all, a "B" mark under the rewind lever which denotes a Russian product. And other details.

Sorry for the owner, even if I am not a Nicca specialist. Of course, there can be original Nicca parts, in this camera. The lens, for example, cannot be a Fed's. My Nicca-Fed contains original Nicca parts too: cover, rangefinder and baseplate. But I paid 50 times less for it...

Jacques.
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Joseph S
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Posted - Sep 28 2016 :  5:07:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This site actually shows a real Nippon Leica copy.

http://corsopolaris.net/supercameras/nicca/nicca.html
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
1959 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 29 2016 :  08:03:19 AM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
pleass see those pages:
http://akiroom.com/redbook/kenkyukai05b/kenkyukai200508b.html
http://asacame.webcrow.jp/hsp35fp/nicca.htm
http://akiroom.com/redbook-e/kenkyukai05b/kenkyukai200508.html
http://akiroom.com/redbook-e/kenkyukai06/kenkyukai200605.html

regards LP
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