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Steve
Moriarty
United Kingdom
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 Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 12:56:00 PM
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I saw this and thought it was a very nice Kiev II with its original ZK lense, though at a very 'good' price, but then I saw that 'bulge' under the lens and had a look at the underside picture. It must really be a record price for a Kiev 4A. Does the lens look genuine?
Actually, the way prices for early Kievs have been going, I've been thinking for some time that it cannot be long before fakers start turning Contax IIs into Kievs - if they are not already! |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4247 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Nov 20 2016 : 4:21:04 PM
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Hi Steve,
I think it's just what Russians call a "kotleta" (cutlet) it's basically been repaired with parts from 4 since they are compatible..
Cheers,
Vlad |
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Steve
Moriarty
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - Nov 21 2016 : 04:41:23 AM
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It has to be a 4/4A body, though, because of the position of the tripod bush. On the Contax and Kiev II/III/2A/3A the bush is central and mounted on the back; on the 4/4A it is offset (directly under the lens) and mounted on the body.
I doubt if any of it is Kiev II except the front-plate - and that could be faked! |
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SteveA
United Kingdom
129 Posts |
Posted - Nov 22 2016 : 2:44:16 PM
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..the worrying thing is that someone has paid 241 Euros for it! Basically you can make whatever custom Kiev you like if you have enough different parts!
Steve |
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jed
France
391 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Nov 22 2016 : 3:57:45 PM
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| This is weird. Front plates from the 50's won't fit Kiev 4 body casting unless you remove some metal. |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4247 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Nov 23 2016 : 5:24:56 PM
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| Top with all the knobs and lens is Kiev II.. to me it seems like only the bottom is replaced? I may be wrong.. |
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Steve
Moriarty
United Kingdom
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Posted - Nov 24 2016 : 12:59:47 PM
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| AND the body. You can't get a 4 back on a II, and if you could, there would be a big hole where the tripod bush should be! |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4247 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Nov 24 2016 : 1:44:41 PM
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| just to clarify you're saying only top and front plate are Kiev II rest is 4? |
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Steve
Moriarty
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - Nov 24 2016 : 3:19:01 PM
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I think the only thing that is definitely not from a 4A or 4 is the rewind knob! The accessory shoe would be easy to fake. I don't know about the front-plate, but if a Kiev II plate would not fit a 4A, as 'jed' says, that must be faked as well.
Notice that the seller does not actually claim it is a Kiev II. He simply quotes the serial number on the accessory shoe, so it's a case of "caveat emptor"! |
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Alfa2
Poland
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Posted - Nov 25 2016 : 06:26:13 AM
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Could somebody give me any link or links how to differentiate details of models of Kiev ?
When I search in google "Kiev II" you know how many results I have. |
Edited by - Alfa2 on Nov 25 2016 06:28:24 AM |
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Jacques M.
France
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Alfa2
Poland
349 Posts |
Posted - Nov 28 2016 : 03:40:53 AM
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Thank you, Jacques.  |
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onre
Finland
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Posted - Dec 14 2016 : 12:58:04 PM
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| Has Kiev II price really gone this much up - as in, would this be normal price if the item were pure Kiev II? I have no clue really. Bought myself #503299 with ZK 50/2 #5003568 yesterday for 20 euros, which I thought of as cheap but not bargain. Not that I intended to sell, Kievs are way too much fun to use. |
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Steve
Moriarty
United Kingdom
12 Posts |
Posted - Dec 18 2016 : 03:57:25 AM
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Twenty euros is extremely cheap for an early Kiev II with its correct lens! On eBay in the UK you would be quite lucky to get a reasonable Kiev 4 for that.
I think 241 euros would still be well over the top for that 4A fake, even if it had been genuine, but someone apparently did not think so.
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When is a Kiev II not a Kiev II?
