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Robert Vonk
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Posted - Sep 07 2015 :  3:30:34 PM  Show Profile  Visit Fotohuis's Homepage  Reply with Quote




F/4,0





F/8,0





F/16

Test film: Foma Retropan 320 Soft, E.I. 320 in HC-110 (B). Test cameras: Zorki-6, Leica M7 both with Metz 45 CL-3 on auto F/. Sync times resp. 1/30s - 1/50s.
Split Grade optical prints and then scanned with my Epson V500.

Robert
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 08 2015 :  07:40:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thanks, Robert.

Could you say which photos are made with which lens?
If I understand, you have used two couples, the M7+Summarit and the Zorki 6 + Jupiter for the comparison. Why not the M7 with a LTM/M ring for the Jup?

I would be very interested too by a daylight comparison, without flash, if it is possible.

Last: what are your conclusions?

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Robert Vonk
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Posted - Sep 08 2015 :  07:54:01 AM  Show Profile  Visit Fotohuis's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The first is the F/2,0-85mm Jupiter, the second the Leica Summarit F/2,5-75mm.

You can read my mind .....

New setup:



With reflection screen and environmental light. I just found an adapter Leica LTM-M and used the new set up, linear in exposure from 1/1000s-1/2s with the M7 where the Schwarzschild effect of the Retropan 320 Soft film is starting.

The testfilm is already hanging to dry.

What you can see of above test photos: The J-9 is a bit softer on wide aperture but pretty close to the 20x more expensive Leica lens.



Robert
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Robert Vonk
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Posted - Sep 08 2015 :  08:04:53 AM  Show Profile  Visit Fotohuis's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just one of the first photos in practice with the J-9:



Also on Retropan 320 Soft. With the Z-6 and universal VF you have to watch out for the parallax correction of this 85mm lens. The closest range is 1,15m while the Summarit focus is up from 0,9m.

Robert
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Robert Vonk
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Posted - Sep 09 2015 :  03:47:15 AM  Show Profile  Visit Fotohuis's Homepage  Reply with Quote


J-9 F=2,0 (wide open) in daylight with reflection screen via LTM-M adapter on M7.





Summarit F=2,5 (wide open) in daylight with reflection screen on M7.

Robert
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Robert Vonk
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Posted - Sep 09 2015 :  03:53:37 AM  Show Profile  Visit Fotohuis's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Fortunately you can see the difference now about a modern Leica lens and an old Zeiss design, pre-WW II.
1:1 J-9 on F/2,8 with the Leica will follow.

Robert
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 09 2015 :  07:44:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Yes, no doubt the difference is visible now. Even if the Jup has two small handicaps: the diaph wide open at f2 rather than 2,5 and the focal: 85mm against 75mm.

But I am a bit surprised by the wide open photo with the Jup. It doesn't fit my experience with such a lens. What is the serial number of this Jup? On the other hand, my 1950 Jup 9 is in fact a real Sonnar...

Thanks for the comparison. Jacques.
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