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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
551 Posts
Posted - Feb 11 2019 :  12:54:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Fred,
it is very nice find, but this lens doesn't belong to set. On this place must be a film development spool.

Regards, Alexander
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treehorn
Germany
9 Posts
Posted - Mar 23 2019 :  5:59:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I recently bought a Kiev-4A #6603499T with Jupiter-8 #6604340T at ebay. The Jupiter has got a coating that seems to be more blue than comparable lenses.
I was quite lucky to find another Topographical-Kiev (#6113396T) one week later. The second one comes with a ordinary Jupiter-8 from 1963.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2332019__DSC5764.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2332019__DSC5768.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2332019__DSC5769.jpg

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jed
France
368 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 24 2019 :  05:56:23 AM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Congratulations ! Very rare cameras. Please post s/n on the wiki.
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
551 Posts
Posted - Mar 24 2019 :  3:06:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jed

Congratulations ! Very rare cameras.



Jed,
why rare? What does this "T" mean?

Regards, Alexander
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jed
France
368 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 24 2019 :  3:21:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello Alexander,

In the wiki only 3 cameras are listed. Now we have 5...
I own one 🙂
Vlad said a friend told him the camera was designed to take pictures from a plane. ´Topographical' camera : T.
Jean

Edited by - jed on Mar 24 2019 3:29:41 PM
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4094 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 24 2019 :  3:22:20 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Nice find! Alexander, see here http://ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3073
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
551 Posts
Posted - Mar 24 2019 :  3:35:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK, thanks for explanation.

Regards, Alexander
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
955 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 24 2019 :  11:29:38 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Did "T" have a different meaning on Zeiss, like multicoated?
I am sure I have seen it on some lens just can't remember which...

Best regards,
Juhani
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treehorn
Germany
9 Posts
Posted - Mar 25 2019 :  03:05:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Soviet lenses in the 1950ies do have a red "П" to indicate a single coating.

"T" on Zeiss lenses indicates a single coating, invented by Alexander Smakula (born in the Ukraine) for Zeiss in 1935. They used it until 1945 mostly for military optics. In 1940 the first Biogon and Sonnar Optics for the Contax Rangefinder with a "T"-coating were shown. By 1950 all Zeiss lenses were coated and marked with the red "T". Later they introduced the "T*" multi-coating.

"T" stands for "transparency optics", in Russian "просветление оптики" (pronounced "prosvetlenie optiki" and meaning a "better shining-through of optics".
More information: https://lenspire.zeiss.com/photo/app/uploads/2018/12/en_About-the-reduction-of-reflections-of-camera-lenses.pdf

Edited by - treehorn on Mar 25 2019 03:59:48 AM
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
551 Posts
Posted - Mar 25 2019 :  4:34:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you, treehorn.
This explanation seems more plausible to me than “tropical” or “topographic”. Otherwise serial number of the camera has 'T' as well and on the lens with russian inscription I would expect 'П' (просветленный), but not 'T'.
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
231 Posts
Posted - Mar 25 2019 :  5:47:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello!
I came across an interesting camera in my opinion ....

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2532019_IMG_0021.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2532019_IMG_0027.JPG

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SteveA
United Kingdom
92 Posts
Posted - Mar 26 2019 :  04:02:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like a Jena Contax? Serial number appears like a late model, bears all the traits of one looking at images in Minoru Sasakis 'Contax to Kiev'. Black painted surround is interesting, any sign of chrome plating on the back of the surround? Looks like and early 1950's lens serial number though...
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treehorn
Germany
9 Posts
Posted - Mar 26 2019 :  05:00:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AlexanderK

Thank you, treehorn.
This explanation seems more plausible to me than “tropical” or “topographic”. Otherwise serial number of the camera has 'T' as well and on the lens with russian inscription I would expect 'П' (просветленный), but not 'T'.


Sorry Alexander, that was a misunderstanding. To make it clear: the "T" on the Kiev (lens and body) has nothing in common with the "T" on the Zeiss lenses. The equivalent to the Zeiss "T" is the "П" you've mentioned.
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treehorn
Germany
9 Posts
Posted - Mar 26 2019 :  08:08:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by levonsa

Hello!
I came across an interesting camera in my opinion ....


A black Jena-Contax - all alarm bells are ringing. My first thought was that it has to be a fake, especially considering the good shape of the camera. But at a closer look many things seems to fit:
- black cover of self-timer
- groove in focus wheel
- frame counter looks more Zeiss than Arsenal style
- accessory shoe has Jena style

According to Bernd K. Otto ("Von der Carl Zeiss Jena-Contax zur Kiev", PhotoDeal 34, 2001) there have been some samples of the Jena Contax in creme and black. They were presented at the 1950 fair in Leipzig with serial numbers 27801-28100. That would fit too.

Andreas

Edited by - treehorn on Mar 26 2019 08:12:11 AM
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Jacques M.
France
2258 Posts
Posted - Mar 26 2019 :  10:28:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A beautiful and rare version of the Jena Contax!
The beige one is much more popular (and numerous) with probably aroud 20 samples made.
I have 10 Jena Contaxes "half black" in my data, like this one, and one or two all black, including the Sonnar...

To go back to this s/n 28081 (thanks, Alexey!), another interesting thing is the Sonnar already engraved 50mm. An late series for this f2 Jena Sonnar, delivered in january 1951 and which should always be engraved in cm by the Thiele! The date is interesting: it could give a good idea for the mounting of this camera.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Mar 26 2019 10:29:29 AM
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
231 Posts
Posted - Mar 26 2019 :  12:36:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jacques hi
If you would be interested to see additional photos?!

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2632019_IMG_0006.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2632019_IMG_0029.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2632019_IMG_0032.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2632019_IMG_0036.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2632019_IMG_0047.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2632019_IMG_0057.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2632019_IMG_0061.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2632019_IMG_0072.JPG

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Jacques M.
France
2258 Posts
Posted - Mar 26 2019 :  4:18:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Of course, Alexey. Thanks!
As new, like many other Jena Contaxes...
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
689 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 26 2019 :  5:24:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
levonsa,

this is a really rare Jena Contax! Congratulations to that find.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
689 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 26 2019 :  5:25:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jacques,

I own 3 Jena Contax now, and two of them looked as they were used over the years.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
689 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Mar 26 2019 :  5:53:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
New in my collection, the Jena Contax from 1950 (serial number 27858). Together with it's sister a 1951 KIEV II. The Contax comes with a rare Carl Zeiss Jena marked Torpedo finder and a Sonnar 4/135 from July 1949.



Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
231 Posts
Posted - Mar 26 2019 :  6:31:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ulrich thank you!
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Fred_L
France
195 Posts
Posted - Apr 28 2019 :  12:58:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all!!

Just arrived here!! It is my first one!!
Seems to be the second verion with viewfinder..

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2842019_Totchka-01 LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2842019_Totchka-02 LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2842019_Totchka-03 LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2842019_Totchka-04 LD.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2842019_Totchka-05 LD.jpg

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treehorn
Germany
9 Posts
Posted - May 17 2019 :  2:22:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found a Kiev IVa without rangefinder, selftimer and Flash-Sync. It came without lens, but the mount shows significant signs of use, especially at the outer bayonet.
The serial number is 6001343, that fits quite well to these here: http://www.novacon.com.br/asquini1/kiev2.htm


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1752019_DSCF6321.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1752019_DSCF6323.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1752019_DSCF6328.jpg

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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
551 Posts
Posted - May 18 2019 :  01:28:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This model was made for medical purposes. There were two differen models, both came without lens.

Regards, Alexander
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jed
France
368 Posts
My Collection

Posted - May 18 2019 :  05:22:26 AM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hello,

Just got this ;)
The rear viewfinder glass is a special one.



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1852019_DSCF3779.JPG




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1852019_DSCF3780.JPG

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luigi gesi
schyter
Italy
30 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 02 2019 :  2:13:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit schyter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Mir by KMZ 1960
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/262019_mir.jpg



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luigi gesi
schyter
Italy
30 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 20 2019 :  4:02:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit schyter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Zenit APK
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2062019_48091185441_6f03f30e76_b.jpg



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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
955 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 23 2019 :  02:15:22 AM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Congrats, APK is a very fine camera!

Best regards,
Juhani
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