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Fred_L	Posted - Feb 10 2019 : 05:49:56 AM Hi all!! If you are interested, this topic is to share the fakes we all have in our collections. In our countries, we surely all have different models. The purpose is also to know from wich type of camera the fake is coming from. I am starting with 2 models of Sagem camera. Engraving are in French What is interesting is the base plate engraving In correct French, we should have these words: Ferm� for close or lock Ouvert for open These models have the same uncorrect word for open: Ouvr� It does not exist in French. It's as you write opain for open.... Please enjoy Fred http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_01_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_02_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_03_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_04_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_05_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_01_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_02_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_03_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_04_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_05_LD.jpg
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Jacques M.	Posted - Oct 08 2021 : 11:51:48 AM Hello! To answer Guido's question, this camera could have been a Fed 1c in a previous life, under the condition no original part was changed. To be more precise, between numbers c. 55000/85000, roughly.(position of different screws) About the number of "fake" points, at least 6, I would say... But to be more precise, it should be necessary to have a complete set of photos. That is not the purpose here. Amiti�s. Jacques.
Guido	Posted - Oct 08 2021 : 11:14:53 AM Hello Alexander Yes, that's a very nice one! The back of the camera would be interesting too by the way ... Little contest for this occasion: What a camera it was before? What points show it is a fake? I've seen three at least (without comparing to an authenic one). Anyone? Best wishes Guido
Jacques M.	Posted - Oct 08 2021 : 02:43:16 AM Very nice and interesting, indeed! I had just seen another one until now. Does the 1/1000th work? Thanks, Alexander! Jacques.
AlexanderK	Posted - Oct 07 2021 : 3:01:40 PM Very nice fake FED-KMZ. Enjoy it . http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/7102021_IMG_20211007_215425.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/7102021_IMG_20211007_215443.jpg Regards, Alexander
Jacques M.	Posted - Oct 04 2021 : 10:35:11 AM I dig out this thread, just to add a word to Fred's message dated of 13/02/2019. This camera (a so called "Geodesiya") was made from a Fed 1b. The texture of the vulcanite is special and can be found aroud the s/n 12/15000 and 25/26000. So, more or less the same year as the original cameras. Not bad... So, lucky find, Fred! Amiti�s. Jacques.
Jacques M.	Posted - Mar 19 2019 : 07:53:45 AM S/n of the lens: 6107. Certainly one of the last "one turn", and probably a bit too young for the body. I confirm about the numbers of the distance scale, which are normal. On the front, "FED" only was suppressed, and replaced by "Elmar": there are traces of erasion. No other modifications, by comparison with my other "one turn" lenses. Amiti�s. Jacques.
cedricfan	Posted - Mar 18 2019 : 11:26:04 PM Numbers are same as in my #3618 camera Best regards, Juhani
Alfa2	Posted - Mar 18 2019 : 5:22:18 PM Even the lens is original from early FED. What is serial no of the lens ? Why distance scale has so strange numbers ?
Jacques M.	Posted - Mar 17 2019 : 10:36:34 AM Yes, it's at least surprising. Another picture of the same Fed 1a/Leica: http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1732019_fed leica 2.jpg Certainly, I have already posted about that fake. Amiti�s.
Vlad	Posted - Mar 09 2019 : 08:22:10 AM Oh my God! Wow
Alfa2	Posted - Mar 09 2019 : 07:33:30 AM Aaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuu somebody spoiled so beautiful FED NKVD. I almost feel pain of my teeth.
Jacques M.	Posted - Mar 08 2019 : 10:56:21 AM My best (or worst? ) fake. http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/832019_Fed Leica.jpg
Guido	Posted - Feb 23 2019 : 3:17:06 PM Hello Fred Very nice fake of fake! It was made then together with the Zorki-1 batch? This remembers me a fake Leica based on a Zorki-C I've seen in an (other?) forum. A nice try too ... ;-) Best wishes - Guido
Fred_L	Posted - Feb 23 2019 : 2:29:09 PM Hi Guido Nice collection of fakes!!! About commemoration models, I have one wich could be the fake of the fake??? Based on a Zorki C.... Here are some pics and a comparison with the original 5 years commemorative model (Number 007 just ordered by James Bond) Fred http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_01_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_02_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_03_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_04_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_05_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_06_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_07_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_08_LD.jpg
Guido	Posted - Feb 22 2019 : 5:31:43 PM Hello friends Camera fakes and modifications are one of my special interessts some of you may know. There are 22 cameras in my collection at the moment, most of them "FED-Zorki" (8), five of them 1949 (!). But there are also some "special" FED's (4), two of them "Sibiria's". Also two Kristall's (full black und partial red), two Leica IId, and a colorful Leica-72. And a fake TSSVS of cause with an original Sonnar 50mm/2.0. Last but not least some modifications of the Zorki-1 (3) and one Zorki-3, not counting the two UssrPhoto commemoration cameras by the way. On eBay you can't find much of such modifications and fakes in our days because the last forger or craftpersons with this knowledge are retired or passed away. That's by the way the reason why we can't find someone to build a third UssrPhoto commemoration camera sadly. Best wishes - Guido
Fred_L	Posted - Feb 22 2019 : 4:46:54 PM Hi Jed!! Long time no see....!!! Fakes are not only Fed!!! I am sure I will find some Kiev!!! For the moment, look at this Zenit... Comments are welcome!!! Fred http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2222019_Zenit-122a_04_LD.jpg
jed	Posted - Feb 21 2019 : 12:40:34 PM Hello Fred, Last one is superb. I had one in hands a couple of months ago. Very well made ! Sold in a an auction, 250�.
Fred_L	Posted - Feb 13 2019 : 2:36:46 PM Hi all!! One more camera A special one.. Is it coorect to say it's a fake? Maybe it does not exist as an original one??? Fred http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_01_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_02_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_03_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_04_LD.jpg
cedricfan	Posted - Feb 10 2019 : 2:27:01 PM Yes, very easy to see that it is not a genuine one! Best regards, Juhani
Fred_L	Posted - Feb 10 2019 : 1:52:50 PM Hi Juhani Here are pics of my fake Shanghai-58 with Industar-22 Really different from yours...probably a Zorki 1-C from 1951-53.. Fred http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_01_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_02_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_03_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_04_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_05_LD.jpg http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_06_LD.jpg
cedricfan	Posted - Feb 10 2019 : 1:31:04 PM Thank you Fred, so I made a good deal years ago when I bought this Must take good pictures of my "golden" Lieca also, it is a purchase from the time I still scanned analogue prints... Even their prices have gone up nicely Best regards, Juhani
Fred_L	Posted - Feb 10 2019 : 12:29:00 PM From my point of vue Juhani, it is not a fke but a real Shanghai 58. It seems to be very difficult to copy this camera, especially the top cover and Slow speed selector. I own 3 Shanghai-58 and they seem to be exactly the same as yours... I also have fake Shanghai-58. I'll make picture and post it Fred
cedricfan	Posted - Feb 10 2019 : 09:15:06 AM http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_DSCF1692a.JPG http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_DSCF1692b.JPG Actually I am not even sure if this is a fake or a true Shanghai-58-II Mk4 serial-#67006 from 1962. The price I paid was for a fake Best regards, Juhani

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