en-us Sun, 23 Nov 2014 20:17:55 +0200 forum@oxle.com 60 USSRPhoto.com Forums http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/ USSRPhoto.com Forums http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/http://USSRPhoto.com http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/images/oxlerss.gif USSRPhoto.com Forums RSS Feed 144 47 Zenit N1 europanorama@oxle.com http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=2604&REPLY_ID=14984 Collectors and Users Open Forum Sat, 22 Nov 2014 02:57:23 +0200 http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2604 Quote:
KMZ-zenit is actually heavily investing, mainly in quality and innovations.So dont be surprised of new products. Interesting how they copy existing model-names like s3pro(fuji dslr), N1(first contax-AF-camera). I am sure they will not waste time anymore for such jokes like horizon compact(made for LOMO), panocam with limited exposure times. exposure times which are most important for cams with fixed focus when stop-down is needed with a large exposure range.

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Digital Horizon- 120 Degr. Oneshot europanorama@oxle.com http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=1666&REPLY_ID=14983 Collectors and Users Open Forum Sat, 22 Nov 2014 02:45:28 +0200 http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1666 Quote:
very nice information about cylindrograph. didnt know multiple films were used. make sense.
since kmz-zenit is investing heavily i wouldnt wonder if this multiplens-cam will be shown. see: 9mp chip used not 5mp anymore.maybe later with even better 1.5"-chip. 6 microcams plus one additional are actually on tschuri-comet capable of a one-shot-panorama plus a 3D-section. fixed cams, lander cannot move.

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A curious Leica fake... Vlad@oxle.com http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=2723&REPLY_ID=14982 Collectors and Users Open Forum Thu, 20 Nov 2014 19:10:26 +0200 http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2723 Quote:
Most of the AFA aerial cameras were developed by Geodezia: http://www.photohistory.ru/index.php?pid=1207248179952431

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Unknown Zenit-1 prototype? Please help! Nordmannen@oxle.com http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=2638&REPLY_ID=14958 Collectors and Users Open Forum Tue, 18 Nov 2014 18:04:38 +0200 http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2638 Quote:
Hello again! Here is a mail from my father to sort some things out with the case. Sorry, it’s rather a bit long.

“After analyzing the opinions expressed by the experts, I want to share my thoughts about the history of this camera.
They will be, as far as possible, justified by the documents that are available to us.
On the observations and analogies that the camera is made at a workshop abroad or in the USSR, I note that it would be possible, if it would be made from standard parts, slightly modified, redesigned.
Now, regarding the opinion that the camera was made at the KMZ by someone for himself or for some official person. I would like to recall that the KMZ was and it was a factory primarily oriented to military production, and a release of cameras was a minor task. On such factories there was a rigid system of secrecy. Passes were required to get into the manufactory room and not many workers could move throughout the factory. In such a situation (by an anonymous denunciation one could easily receive 10 years imprisonment without the right to correspondence) to make for themselves a camera manually, spending a lot of time working on their needs, was impossible.
It is possible that the camera could have been produced later in 70-80th when USSR became slightly more liberal. In such cases they used a serial sample and upgraded it for the better, both mechanically and in appearance. Typically, these cameras are superior to serial samples by all parameters.
The fact that the camera is not made in our time, I'm 100% sure. I bought this camera from an elderly woman, she told me about the former owner of the camera, a family name which is not very widespread in the USSR. And it matched to the records in the archives of the KMZ.
Also, if to forge a camera, people prefer to forge expensive samples, so you can easily and quickly sell. Otherwise, why to waste time, energy and finances?
Now about the official person. During the reign of Stalin in the USSR no officials of the highest rank could feel safe (remember the criminal case against Zhukov - Marshal of the Red Army after WWII). In such a situation, to order a personal KMZ camera is to give a reason for competitors to displace you from office. Even if it happened, is it possible to give such a camera to the official? I think not. The camera is not very well made. In such cases, the product is written off and destroyed, to avoid accusations of financial embezzlement.
In the USSR, they usually gave the serial camera with engraved commemorative plaque "Delegate 25th Congress of the KPSS… ".
Perhaps, there were cases of personal manufactured cameras, maybe experts can give examples.

So, in order to prove that it is a pre-production sample which is unique and is made of different parts, because it had to be done so, I will use the information from www.zenitcamera.com/archive/zenit-1/index.htm. I hope the owner will not mind.
Google on the pre (experimental) samples says:
Production of pre-production samples is a worldwide manufacturing practice for any technically complex products.
"Prototype - a full-scale, fully functioning model, designed to determine the needs and requirements of the production to the manufacture of this product. It is also used to obtain the latest before (fine-) serial production data on the functioning and reliability. The prototype is usually made by hand, as accurately as possible should meet the standards of the final design of the product or batch process. "

Here you dive into the real world of expensive services such as tool and die manufacturing, construction, assistance in moving some cases, planning equipment and accessories, as well as the services of the most expensive from the experts - the technology engineer. You will need all of these professionals, and even more to create a real pre-production prototype. Products created as a "working model" and "technical prototype," is impossible to put in the real market because of their cost price is too high, their design does not take into account all the necessary safety factors, and most importantly, they are not able to maintain that performance on during an acceptable lifetime. The set of inventors failed, trying to prove the opposite. On efficiency, reliability and safety of commercially manufactured products depends your reputation. It can break down by prematurely launching unfinished samples.

The prototype is created in order to show that the performance requirements are met, production problems solved, quality management is implemented, etc. Experienced pre-production sample is created so as to best resemble the product of mass production - the only difference in the volume of output.
© Rosnauka

My camera more than all fits to this definition: manual production, the most similar to the serial product of all the cameras.
By the way, in the process of studying this question, I came to the conclusion that most of the so-called prototypes made through fantasies by Komsomol activists and have nothing to do with the real "Zenit". Too large differences in design, a lot of different parts, which are then not used at all. Enthusiasm was encouraged at that time. Numbering is affixed to all products for the report for the materials used.
I quote from the article "Our Mission" of 31 December 1950 from the original factory newspaper.

"In recent years, we mastered three modern cameras that enjoy great popularity among customers. In the past year developed new models of cameras "Zorki-3" and "Smena 1". Now we are producing samples of the camera "Rodina".

These samples are now laboratory tested at the factory, and then be sent to the state tests in the All-Union Chamber of Commerce. Preliminary reviews by specialists are quite satisfactory. "

Zorki -3 we know. Who can indicate Smena-Zenit, which was on factory testing in the end of 1950 and then in 1951 was supposed be sent to the state tests? This is my camera. Made in 1950, it is very close in design to the production samples. Notice of release of the camera is a consequence of the fact that it belongs to the production factory.
Most likely it was released in a couple of samples. In it 1951 may have been taken to the factory and state tests, design improvement, after the test and so on.
When testing camera it is likely to test its endurance. I know that these tests are conducted in the construction theodolites and dumpy levels, although it is more fragile optical equipment than cameras. Through these tests, the first sample was likely to be crushed. Most likely, after these tests they took away corrector diopter, as it is located outside and it is very vulnerable, and replaced two side cover screws to the frontal plane of the mine to improve shock performance of the design. To the same goal they put deeper the logo of the plant, since it gives additional rigidity lid construction of the mine. By the way, Zorki-3 diopter corrector was designed at that time. He placed it more successfully and therefore was saved.
Quote from the article "For high-volume edition camera Zorki-3 newspaper Soviet patriot 1954":
"This question was at the meeting of the party committee on January 12. During the production camera " Zorki -3" chief engineer comrade Soloviev delivered a message. He noted that in the past year, considerable work on the development of this camera - newly created section of the assembly in the workshop held redevelopment equipment in automaton increased the number of machines in the shop Lens doubled the mechanical area, etc. But all this was not enough.
The speaker pointed out that the pre-production on the camera," Zorki -3 'in a number of issues carried out satisfactorily.
The design of the camera " Zorki -3" had a number of significant shortcomings and was not fit for the organization of large-scale production. An aim to “redesigne and prepare drawings for 1954" was given in June, with the term of meeting by October 1. With this work the design office is not right, and the first drawings were made only at the end of October, and a full set of drawings commissioned only 4 December.

Being late with the release of drawings made impossible a technological preparation of production by 1 January. As a result, in January and February will have to work with old drawings, with an unproven technology without sufficient equipment. "
Although it is said about the camera Zorki -3, manufacturing processes at the factory is the same everywhere. Consequently, all I described above, the test of camera Zenit
could drag on indefinitely, and therefore the release of a prototype in 1950, the end of an experimental batch of 1952, mass production 1953 - is quite real time interval.
Now for the design of the valve body, which Louis was talking about at the beginning of the discussion.
The body of a new design appeared in 1951, therefore, it was started to develop, at least in 1950.
Since the body is made on the basis of Zorki, if we put ourselves in the place of the constructor of my camera, and decide what kind of body we should use. The camera will definitely be launched in the series and we put the body on the old model, which will be out of use later or already out of production.
The question is a rhetorical one. I even can imagine that at the beginning the camera body was old-fashioned, but in the process of construction was replaced as obsolete, and it is not supposed to produce. On other cameras it was left because they hava little in common with the production of camera Zenit. Same story with the velocities at the head extracts. FED moved to the new standard Extracts in 1952. The decision to move was made before, and this decision was made not only on the factory FED, but also throughout the USSR and in this, because camera has been designed for the future, there was originally founded new standard exposures. Constructors in USSR gladly work for the future, however, the technique strongly resisted.

A quote from the same article of the same newspaper:
"Factory Director Comrade Egorov, in his speech said that the design office, engineering, equipment is not considered assembly plants, and in general plant workshops. "
This quote is like nothing better explains why the design pattern is slightly different from the experimental samples of the series.
Based on the foregoing, it is very likely to argue that the camera is a preproduction, prototype and all the details in her right place and it exists in one sample.”

I hope it makes things clearer. Thank you for your time.

Cheers,
Iurii
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new cases for Zorki 1 and FED1 Lenny@oxle.com http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=2722&REPLY_ID=14955 For Sale and Trade Sun, 16 Nov 2014 14:33:21 +0200 http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2722 Quote:
quote:
Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo

From Moscowphoto -Beautiful!



By time I fell in love with some old leather cases. I even sewed a lens cover on a broken one. It takes time but it's a good experience too. One has the name and zip code from a previous owner written inside. I like that when it's hidden inside, it shows it's history and the zip code is even an old one which isn't used anymore. I wash them in cold water with some dish soap, but not too long because there is cardboard at the bottom. Otherwise they are not useable because they are mostly very dirty.

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Sale/Trade TSVVS 1950. twinkle45@oxle.com http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=2422&REPLY_ID=14882 For Sale and Trade Sun, 16 Nov 2014 04:20:31 +0200 http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2422 Quote:
All is genuine, original and in excellent condition.
S/n: 503 for the body, 3090471 for the lens.

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FED-2 no 000004 Luiz Paracampo@oxle.com http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=2703&REPLY_ID=14953 Collectors and Users Open Forum Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:10:24 +0200 http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2703 Quote:
Ziga
Congratulations in gettting such a rare model.
With years of experience ,I never saw such a camera.
The rewind system is a completely surprise for me.
The screws are all correct; may be the length should be excessive in the shoe.
The lever lock is the same of contemporaries FED1 and subsequente FED2, so you need only to obtain another lens and substitute the spring, screw and nut, or give them to a competente leathe man to do them. the spring can be obtained from a disposable empty gas lighter.
The firing knob is stuck. Weather the bottom laminar spring is not broken, it will be necessary only to press the button and turn it clock-wise with your thumb. It happens because early câmeras had "T" opition by buttton locking.
The overall repair is easy and follows the general rules of subsequente FED2.
Good luck
LP
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Russian made? Lenny@oxle.com http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=2696&REPLY_ID=14949 Collectors and Users Open Forum Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:13:56 +0200 http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2696 Quote:
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Originally posted by Jacques M.

But who really knows what a genuine Fed B is?



Here in the Wiki are two mentioned, #74386 and #173618. At least these owners might know. Both cams even might not be the same because one must be pre-war and the other post-war if I'm right. Would be interesting how they look like under the bottom plate.]]>
FED-B, one more fake? Lenny@oxle.com http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=2699&REPLY_ID=14946 Collectors and Users Open Forum Tue, 11 Nov 2014 17:16:53 +0200 http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2699 Quote:
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just arrived in my collection SteveA@oxle.com http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=1466&REPLY_ID=14918 Collectors and Users Open Forum Mon, 10 Nov 2014 10:41:08 +0200 http://USSRPhoto.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1466 Quote:
There could be a simpler explanation - I once bought a START camera which had been sat in a shop window in direct sunlight for a long time - the black paint in the lens front had been bleached to a grey/brownish colour - maybe the same issue here?

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