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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Apr 08 2014 :  05:43:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Just done for the camera.
It will be done for the lens as soon as I receive all that.

Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Apr 10 2014 :  08:16:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

So, here is this last Fed S, early NKVD c type with the caracteristic vulcanite:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1042014_DSCF1628.JPG

Serial number of the lens: 21446, which seems correct.
The infinity button has not yet found its right place, at 8 o'clock...

Amitiés. Jacques.


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Niko80
Austria
147 Posts
Posted - Apr 10 2014 :  2:33:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice!

I'll update the statistics when I find the time.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4108 Posts
My Collection

Posted - May 04 2014 :  6:52:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Major score today at Chicago Camera show! Moskva-5 preseries, only 250 made, mine is #242

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/452014_Moskva-5.jpg

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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
552 Posts
Posted - May 05 2014 :  06:59:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow! Congratulation, Vlad!
It is a really nice find! My chances to find this camera decreased again

Regards, Alexander
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4108 Posts
My Collection

Posted - May 05 2014 :  1:16:28 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you Alexander. I guess I just got very lucky.. and to find this in United States too!

Cheers,
Vlad
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Jul 29 2014 :  07:41:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

An early Jupiter 9 here. I had looked for it for two or three years.
In fact, a LTM Sonnar with a correct serial number: 2850958.
It has the "flat top" 3 and the "open" 4!


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2972014_DSCF1666.JPG

Amitiés. Jacques.

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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Aug 01 2014 :  08:07:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have received this morning a Fed 1e equipped with a Sonnar...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/182014_DSCF1667.JPG

A Sonnar "home converted" from a Contax mount with a rear Fed ring (number 169933). Very well made: all is perfectly adjusted.
I love these cameras which were improved by their owners. The 1.5/5cm Sonnars were really the best lenses at that time. This one was delivered at the end of the war and is contemporaneous with the body.

Amitiés. Jacques.

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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4108 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Aug 01 2014 :  5:56:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Very interesting conversion, Jacques!

Here's something that arrived today from Ukraine: A childrens optics constructor set made by FED with which you can make a lens, microscope, filmoscope, telescope and a spotting scope. Never seen anything like that before so I bought it


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/182014_opticon0.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/182014_opticon.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/182014_opticon1.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/182014_opticon3.JPG

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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Aug 02 2014 :  03:03:11 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Much interesting!
I did not know either that Fed had made such sets.
Dated from 1980, if I read correctly?

That would explain a filmoscope, already seen for sale on eBay, declared made by Fed by the seller...

Thanks, Vlad! Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Aug 02 2014 03:17:20 AM
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Milo Schekkerman
Valkir1987
Netherlands
185 Posts
Posted - Aug 04 2014 :  2:46:00 PM  Show Profile  Click to see Valkir1987's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Here's something that arrived today from Ukraine: A childrens optics constructor set made by FED with which you can make a lens, microscope, filmoscope, telescope and a spotting scope. Never seen anything like that before so I bought it


Very Nice! There is a set from east- Germany known as 'Optik Baukasten' or 'Optik Montage Experiment' quite common.

Old-Stock pieces where sold in the nineties as well.

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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Aug 31 2014 :  11:30:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Three "new" lenses here.
All are of the Sonnar/Jupiter family.

First, a Jupiter 12 (one more) with the old external barrel and the Zeiss number. KMZ date: 1951.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3182014_DSCF1674.JPG

Then, a 1939 Sonnar in a Jupiter barrel. Used without problem by the precedent owner: it is correctly shimmed.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3182014_DSCF1673.JPG

And last, an early Jupiter 11, probably with Zeiss parts (I cannot dismount it to check).


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3182014_DSCF1672.JPG

I test them as soon as I can.

Amitiés. Jacques.

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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Sep 01 2014 :  10:37:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another picture of the same early Jupiter 11.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/192014_DSCF1676.JPG

It shows the open "4" and the two screws which are typical of the LTM Sonnars and ZK. This Jup 12 is not an "ante dated" Jup, like some we can see on eBay...

Jacques.


Edited by - Jacques M. on Sep 25 2014 10:49:36 AM
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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Sep 24 2014 :  4:00:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all

Some FEDs I received these days
As you can see, they need to be cleaned..
Of course, comments and informations ar welcome!!!!

Enjoy!

Fred

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_01Fed1a_.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_02Fed1a_.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_03Fed1a_.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_04Fed1a_.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_05Fed1a_.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_06Fed1a_.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_07Fed1a_.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_01Fed1b_.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_02Fed1b_.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_03Fed1b_.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_04Fed1b_.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_05Fed1b_.JPG




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_01FED_S.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_02FED_S.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_03FED_S.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_04FED_S.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2492014_05FED_S.JPG

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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
552 Posts
Posted - Sep 24 2014 :  4:13:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Congratulation, Fred!
Very nice FEDs. I find a little strange, that the 7xxx one has no flash shoe. It is uncommon for such serial number.

Regards, Alexander
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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Sep 24 2014 :  4:16:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Alexander!

I have no explaination about this flash shoe missing.. Maybe be Jacques has an idea?

Fred
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4108 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 24 2014 :  4:47:45 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Great acquisitions Fred, congratulations! I see you've been very active purchasing stuff lately

Cheers,
Vlad.
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David Beale
david03
United Kingdom
10 Posts
Posted - Sep 25 2014 :  08:08:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Regarding the photos of the Feds that Fred has posted and the query about the missing flash shoe on the 7XXX serial number Fed - I have a similar serial number (26 cameras earlier in the production run, at 7143). On mine, the three screws are present for the flash shoe but there is no shoe on the camera. As far as I can tell, I don't think it looks as if it's been removed by anyone who owned the camera. You guys are much more on top of this kind of debate than I am but I just wondered if with these early Fed 1b's the decision had already been made to install the flash shoe but for whatever reason there was an initial problem actually doing it with the first few 1b's. What do you think?

David03
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Sep 25 2014 :  08:41:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Waow!

I absolutely love your Fed 1a, Fred!
One feels the incertainty of the period, the difficulty to make a Leica looking camera with a metallurgy not yet at its best... Please, don't clean it too much! But you do what you want, of course!

Concerning the shoe, there were some hundreds of 1b which were made without. It seems that Fed had not the machine tools which allowed to produce these cornered parts. Just the same for the 1a before. I own the s/n 7122 and 7373 which don't have it. Certainly, some users have it put on their cameras after.

A bit surprised by the position of the 2/50 lens on your S, Fred. What is the s/n of the lens? If it is too far from the lens one (lens in the 20/22000, for example), it could be an explanation.

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Sep 25 2014 :  10:47:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

About the 2/50 lens, the s/n (29974, I hadn't seen it)corresponds with the s/n of the body (147763). Cf Christian's graphs:
http://ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2353

So, I have no evident explanation. An old lensplate originally mounted on the body? A mix of parts during repairs?

Concerning your Fed 1a, you have now to offer a one-turn lens to your body!

Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Sep 25 2014 11:11:11 AM
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
242 Posts
Posted - Sep 25 2014 :  1:23:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello!
Fred! You have a great camera FED ¹7169. It is a pity that the lens is a little late and complies with FED snakeskin finish.
The earliest FED sled ¹7891 / Molotok 2012 /
Alexander you worried for nothing! FED ¹7169 gorgeous!
My congratulations !!!
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Sep 26 2014 :  08:59:53 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Hi Alexey!

Nice to see you here!
Do you have an idea about the wrong position of the 2/50mm lens? A problem of lensplate? But, normally, there is a hollow behind which allows to place it in the right position, against the upper plate...

An interesting question!

Amitiés. Jacques.
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
242 Posts
Posted - Sep 26 2014 :  12:28:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jacques hello!
Seat ring, which stands in the chamera is not the same threaded lens ¹29974. When set to "1" hour leash even closes the viewfinder! It should not be! And the number ¹29974 does not quite match the camera FED ¹147763. According to our data is more suitable ¹32.000-33.000.
Jacques thanks for asking!
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Sep 26 2014 :  3:39:49 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
32/33000 for a body s/n 147763? Not sure.
32/33000 are the last 2/50mm lenses. But there will be many S-s after the 147xxx...
These last lenses would be more suitable for e-Berdsk bodies, I think... Though there is some dispersion in these numbers.

I rather think that the "seat ring" (= lensplate) is not the good one. Or was turned after repair.

Amitiés à toi. Jacques.


Edited by - Jacques M. on Sep 26 2014 3:56:42 PM
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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Sep 27 2014 :  05:25:40 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jacques

I have removed the lens plate
I supposed it has been mounted with 1/4 more turn after servicing.
But it is in good position.....

Fred
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Oct 05 2014 :  05:47:07 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fred,

Have you tried to cross lenses/bodies if you have other Fed S?
Here is an S which has the same problem as yours

http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271620988070&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacek
Omega
France
24 Posts
Posted - Oct 05 2014 :  06:25:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
CYCLOCAMERA comes the last Weeks. In working condition, but lack selector diaphragm I guess ..
What form it may have?




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/5102014_novaskola.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/5102014_novaskola-dos.jpg



I do not speak English, I use Google Language Tools

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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Nov 09 2014 :  1:38:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all!!

A few months ago, I have foud this camera, but I have taken pictures of it only today...
For sure it is a home made one...
It works, but I haven't tested it with film.
The shutter fires on both sides and it needs to be cocked only from right body lens.
Speed needs to be adjusted only on same side of camera, and it gives the same speed on the 2 shutters
Aperture needs to be adjusted on the two lenses separatly, so one has to take care
Please have a look at small metal part in accesory shoe. It's engraved 1 or 2, so I suppose it's important for film advance.

Enjoy!!




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_Smena_Stereo_01.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_Smena_Stereo_02.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_Smena_Stereo_03.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_Smena_Stereo_04.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_Smena_Stereo_05.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_Smena_Stereo_06.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_Smena_Stereo_07.JPG



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_Smena_Stereo_08.JPG

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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Nov 09 2014 :  1:43:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all!!

Here is a strange Jupiter 8M in Kiev mount
Do you think someone has removed all black paint outside and inside the lens?
Thank you for your comments!!

Fred




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_JUP_8_01.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_JUP_8_02.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_JUP_8_03.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_JUP_8_04.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/9112014_JUP_8_05.jpg

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jed
France
368 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Nov 09 2014 :  2:32:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Fred !
Weird - I've never seen a Jupiter 8M like this !

I also have bought some curious Kiev items : a 1956 Kiev 4A and a 1963 Jupiter 8 (KMZ logo !).
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SteveA
United Kingdom
100 Posts
Posted - Nov 10 2014 :  10:41:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There could be a simpler explanation - I once bought a START camera which had been sat in a shop window in direct sunlight for a long time - the black paint in the lens front had been bleached to a grey/brownish colour - maybe the same issue here?

Cheers,

Steve
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 16 2014 :  4:26:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A lot of new things in this thread. The early FED 1 is amazing, I wish, I could find such an old one :-)

Here are my latest finds:

An universal finder with cyrillic engravings, I have never seen one before:




A white faced rigid Industar 22 in very good condition. I think they are more rare than the black faced ones.




And at least a nice find for a bargain, a Zenit Junior with original leather case :-)



Ulrich


http://fotos.cconin.de
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
242 Posts
Posted - Dec 18 2014 :  2:30:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello everyone!

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/18122014__MG_2899 -copy.JPG

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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Dec 18 2014 :  2:41:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Ulrich: I wonder how you can have such beautiful photos! I am jealous...
I own one of these "white" rigid lenses: no doubt they are rarer than the "black" ones.

Alexey: once more time, you are a conjurer! These completely black rigid I 22 come from your hat? They were made specially for you?

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
348 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 18 2014 :  2:59:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit Guido's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Hello Ulrich

quote:
Originally posted by uwittehh


A white faced rigid Industar 22 in very good condition. I think they are more rare than the black faced ones.



Yes, they are. I only found them in s/n ranges 5000xxx and 5002xxx only up today. Princelle says there are only 2000 IIRC, maybe even less at my observation.

The black faced ones are made in the 5000xxx series too, but goes from 1950 to 1953.

Best wishes - Guido
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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
348 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 18 2014 :  3:05:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit Guido's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Hello Jacques

quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.


Alexey: once more time, you are a conjurer! These completely black rigid I 22 come from your hat? They were made specially for you?



Just for my understanding: It's an ironic comment? First point: The design is not the same as the other rigid I-22 I know, second one: Black lenses are made much later by KMZ as far as I know.

Best wishes - Guido
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Dec 18 2014 :  3:24:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

No Guido! And Alexey, of course!
It is not ironic!
I am just amazed to see all the marvels that Alexey can show. For example, these two black rigid Industar 22. Really, I did not think they could exist.
But are they really original?

Amitiés. Jacques.

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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
348 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 18 2014 :  3:44:26 PM  Show Profile  Visit Guido's Homepage  Reply with Quote

Hello Jacques

Oh, sorry for asking! How could I even be so doubtful?!

Best wishes - Guido
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
242 Posts
Posted - Dec 19 2014 :  02:44:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello everyone!
Jacques you flatter me!
Of course this is a very early version of the original rigid Industar-22.
Look at the link.

http://www.fotoua.com/2cameratip.php?seek2=104&seek1=84&usl=&usl1=&rd=4&st=7


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/19122014_untitled.png

All good mood
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Dec 19 2014 :  07:03:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

A very early version with a different design, as Guido says.
Thanks, Alexey.
Are there other very early KMZ products which can have been made in black by the factory? Zorki 1, 3...?

Amitiés. Jacques.
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okynek
759 Posts
Posted - Dec 19 2014 :  09:54:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Never mind the lens, what about camera! What is the history of the nameplate? Is it original? Prototype? Special order?
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
242 Posts
Posted - Dec 19 2014 :  11:29:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is Original!
http://www.fotoua.com/2cameratip.php?seek2=104&seek1=84&usl=&usl1=&rd=4&st=7
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
242 Posts
Posted - Dec 19 2014 :  11:44:54 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jacques hello!
Perhaps you mean the later editions of the I-22?

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/19122014__MG_3356.JPG

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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Dec 19 2014 :  4:15:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Alexey,

There is a difference in the back trapezoïdal part (with the meter scale) between the black rigid early I22 and the "white" ones. This back part is more important, higher on the white lenses. I just wonder why.
Jacques.
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Lenny
496 Posts
Posted - Dec 19 2014 :  4:42:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.


Are there other very early KMZ products which can have been made in black by the factory? Zorki 1, 3...?



You really have to wonder about these totally black I-22, for which camera they were produced. I assume the first two digits mark the year, so 1950. Could it be KMZ produced this totally black I-22 for another brand than Zorki?

What kind of black is this coating? Is it chrom too? And which coating would be cheaper to produce?
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
242 Posts
Posted - Dec 20 2014 :  09:46:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello everyone!
Jacques! You have a fantastic sight! You're on photographs found differences, and I held in my hands lenses and did not pay attention to it!
What can I say turner? He did not create one my order ?! Let remake?
Black I-22 stood at Zorki/Çîðêèé ¹36õõõ. I have met stiff and I-22 at the cameras with a double name Zorki/Çîðêèé. I think that is the development of lenses for export.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/20122014__MG_3359.JPG

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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
242 Posts
Posted - Dec 20 2014 :  09:51:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I forgot to thank Ulrich! Ulrich, I also really like your pictures! Very professional! What lens do you use?
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Dec 21 2014 :  3:02:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Wow, what rarities. I have never seen total black rigid Industar 22 too. And no Zorki 6 prototype. Wonderful finds.

So Princelle seems not to be right when he writes that white faced and black faced ones are both made in the quantity of 2000 each.

But what about the finder? I have never seen one with cyrillic engravings before. I only know them without or with MADE IN USSR engravings. And I have/had a lot of them :-)

Jacques and levonsa, you mean the pictures here? I have used a Pentax K-5II and a Pentax 16-50/2,8 lens and developed them with lightroom. But what is so special with the pictures? :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Brian
USA
60 Posts
Posted - Jan 15 2015 :  3:15:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bought a 1950 KMZ J-3, advertised as way off and fit for use on a mirrorless camera. It was off my 2m at 5m, and the optical fixture was glued into place. 6 hours in acetone. Popped all the glass out of it.

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The serial number on the rear fixture shows it to be from a 1943 Zeiss lens. The Tap shows that it was originally finished in Contax mount.





The focus mount is from a ZOMZ J-3, has three setscrews for holding the helical into the mount.



There were a total of Five (!) taps for the guide pins. I'm glass I scribed the correct set before taking out the guide pins.

This was a long-job, 6 hours in acetone and a lot of cleaning loosened paint and glue out of the helical.



Added a 0.48mm Shim and moved the rear module in slightly.

It was worth it, one of the sharpest J-3/Sonnars that I have ever used.


Edited by - Brian on Jan 26 2015 2:41:10 PM
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Jan 20 2015 :  07:28:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Really, I admire what you are able to do with Sonnars, Brian...
When you talk of "tap" ( The Tap shows that it was originally finished in Contax mount.), what do you mean exactly?

Jacques.
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