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Jacques M.
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 Posted - Apr 03 2012 : 10:18:41 AM
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A Fed S d type more with a wartime Sonnar lens (not original).
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/342012_Fed S 164433 001.jpg
Amitiés. Jacques.
PS:no way to know more about that strange thing in your Fed meter, Fred?
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Fred_L
France
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Posted - Apr 03 2012 : 12:34:18 PM
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Hi Jacques
No , No nexs about my meter
It seems to be original, but so strange....
All the best
Fred |
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Brian
USA
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Posted - Apr 07 2012 : 7:19:47 PM
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A 1952 KMZ Jupiter-12, with Zeiss Serial Number on the rear module.
The focus was way-off, off 2m for a 5m test. Added a 0.2mm shim, luckily the J-8 and J-12 take the same shims.
And verified: the early J-12 in LTM fits on the M8.
No coding, and I do not see any vignetting. |
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Brian
USA
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Posted - Apr 07 2012 : 7:30:42 PM
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and- a 1950 KMZ Jupiter-3, originally held into it's Contax/Kiev Mount using sewing thread.
The focus was way-off, front-focus problem. No shims to remove. The machining on the mount was off, and the optics wobbled around in it.
The focal length was too short, even for use on a Leica. I moved the rear optics out ~0.2mm and then set the main shim. Took several attempts, but the focus is good across the full range now on the Leica, moved the optics module into a 1956 KMZ LTM mount. Without moving the rear module, the lens could be used from close-up to about 3m.
Close-up at F1.5
This lens looks like it had never been used- I'm thinking it just never worked right. |
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Brian
USA
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Posted - Apr 08 2012 : 7:11:47 PM
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The J-12 on The Leica M9, 100% crop:
Full image, wide-open at F2.8
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Apr 15 2012 : 03:43:39 AM
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Just arrived...
a complete 1956 Zorki 4 set, including box, bag, instruction booklet and matching papers. And it looks and works like new, I just had to change the selftimer that was broken. Winding knob, collar around release button and rewind knob are in Zorki 3C style.
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Apr 15 2012 : 10:44:51 AM
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Wonderful pictures, Brian!
I find once more the "bokeh" of my wartime 1,5/5cm Sonnar. 
But my special congrats for all the work...
Jacques. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - Apr 15 2012 : 11:13:34 AM
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Congratulation, Jacques!
Your number is less, than mine (200600) 
Regards, Alexander |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Apr 16 2012 : 3:35:25 PM
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Jacques and Alexander,
you both are lucky guys. I am looking for a Red Flag for years but there is none around...
Ulrich
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - Apr 16 2012 : 4:04:55 PM
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Ulrich, don't worry!
I let you know, if I see one more
Regards, Alexander |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Apr 16 2012 : 4:36:13 PM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Apr 17 2012 : 07:14:20 AM
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I would say between 400 and 1000 euros, very roughly...
But the most difficult is to find one. And to be sure it is genuine, which is very difficult as there are not many samples known...
Probably I will open a link about that. I am very curious for example about the yellow colour in the rangefinder...
Of course, I am happy to have mine. I had been looking for for years...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Apr 18 2012 : 7:11:24 PM
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Many thanks for information, Jacques!
Best regards,
Vlad |
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Eric
Robotnik
USA
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Posted - May 07 2012 : 4:58:15 PM
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I got a rather normal Kiev 19 in the mail today. Only cost me 19 bucks + shipping.
As you can see this one was made in 1989, and it has the Quality Seal. (I did not see any others on eBay with the Quality seal.)
The lens has some metalic dust in it, but other than that its nice. Camera works fine.
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - May 07 2012 : 5:43:04 PM
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Zenit-7 preseries (first version) arrived here (s/n 6800165, lens s/n 000067). It does not work, but looks damn good !
Regards, Alexander |
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Fred_L
France
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Fred_L
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Fred_L
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jun 07 2012 : 04:49:41 AM
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A Fed more arrived yesterday here.
Not so common: it's an early one without accessory shoe.
This one (# 7373) has an ordinary half turn Fed lens, contrarily to my # 7122 which has a one turn one.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/762012_1b 001.jpg
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jun 07 2012 : 04:54:55 AM
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Special congratulations for your Sport, Fred! And once more time for your recent TSVVS! 
I will have too to try and buy cameras at auctions...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Fred_L
France
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Posted - Jun 07 2012 : 07:48:04 AM
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HI Jacques
Your FED is so nice too....
May be I will have surprises on next weeks..
An Revue Horizont (I got it but as i am out for ten days, I will make pics later....
One more TSVVS...... I am negociating it , and it is nice with all matching numbers...
So we have to wait about 15 days!!!!
Congratulations for your FED!!!
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jun 08 2012 : 4:01:59 PM
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Another TSVVS... wow!
Always a 1950 one? Or a 1949?
Eager to see that!
And congratulations!
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Fred_L
France
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Posted - Jun 08 2012 : 4:31:47 PM
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It is a 1950
Body and Base plate are matching, I am sure
I have to wait about one week...to be sure
Fore sure I will give you some news...
Fred
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 17 2012 : 4:56:15 PM
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Nice new cameras arrived in this thread :-)
My newest is a like new Leningrad from 1963. It came here with a blocked release button. This must happened very early because it looks as it was never used.
So I disassembled it and found the bug. A lever was gone out of it's position and blocked releasing the shutter.
It has an interesting engraving around the big wind knob which I have never seen before. I think collecting Leningrads could be interesting ...
After cleaning and reassembling it:
The engraving around the winding knob:
I have documented the reassembly, maybe it's interesting for you even it is only in german:
http://fotos.cconin.de/kameras/leningradrepair/index.htm
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jun 18 2012 : 04:56:04 AM
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Happy to see you again, Ulrich, and bravo for this immaculate Leningrad!
The inscription reads "made in USSR", I think?
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 18 2012 : 06:39:21 AM
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Jacques,
I meant I have never seen this engraving on a Leningrad before :-)
Ulrich
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Fred_L
France
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jun 18 2012 : 2:58:53 PM
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Jørgen Kjølsen
CrazyCatman
Denmark
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Posted - Jun 20 2012 : 06:08:55 AM
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Yesterday I got two things for my collection - both rather ordinary:
Fed 2 type C, from 1956 (11188):
And a 1993 Zenit 12XPS Fotosniper (a bit too young for this site as it's "Made in Russia") - unfortuantly without the box as my ES/FS3 has:
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You can call me "Yuri"...
SSSR collections so far:
1956 FED 2 C
1978 Zenit E
1979 Zenit FS-3 Photosniper (ES)
1980 Zenit EM Olympic
1980 Zenit E Olympic
1993 Zenit FS-12-3 Fotosaiper (12XPS)
a Zenit UPA 5M enlarger
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 20 2012 : 4:49:51 PM
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Fred,
great, 2 TSVVS's :-) I wonder if we are the only guys who collect them :-D
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 20 2012 : 4:56:20 PM
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Arrived 2 days ago... A like new KIEV III from 1953 with DIN engraving and Zorki ZK lens from 1950. It seems to be a real combination of camera and lens (why should someone change the lens to a ZK-lens?). But there are 3 years difference between camera and lens date. Could it be that the soviets put the old lenses on the first with old Contax parts made KIEV III? I have not seen this combination before.
Here are some pics, it looks stunning in my eyes:
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 20 2012 : 5:00:06 PM
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Fred, the Horizont Revue is interesting. Mine has number 6903353 so only 600 numbers away from yours.
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 20 2012 : 5:04:41 PM
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Jørgen,
nice camera finds. I hope that you have enough room in your closet for the next at least 50 soviet cameras you WILL buy
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Jørgen Kjølsen
CrazyCatman
Denmark
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Posted - Jun 20 2012 : 5:25:28 PM
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bquote:
Originally posted by uwittehh
Jørgen,
nice camera finds. I hope that you have enough room in your closet for the next at least 50 soviet cameras you WILL buy
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de
Hi Ulrich,
I am running out of space on my camera shelf, even tho I am only onto 6 Sovjet cameras; one of them is at my "museum" shelf, as it's not working atm - and my oldest PhotoSniper is in it's box under the shelf - so those two doesn't take space - but my extra lenses and other cameras takes alot of space - but the newest Fotosniper does take most space, as I chosed to put it together as I don't have a box for it - then I want people to see how cool it looks!
But I will have more ;)
I even started to get a French photographer into the Sovjet cameras too! He started to ask about my Zenit EM, because he was thinking of ordering a 412, in the end he ordered it - and also bought a Zenit E with an I-50 "pancake" lens - and now is looking for a Fed as well.
I don't know what my next Sovjet should be, but I am going back to Sankt-Peterburg soon, so if I will find something good I will get that. I already have two enlarger lens waiting for me as I needed to change the one on my Zenit UPA-5 because of fungus, so I am back to use that giant Meopta that I wanted to give a vacation because of the neat size of the UPA.
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You can call me "Yuri"...
SSSR collections so far:
1956 FED 2 C
1978 Zenit E
1979 Zenit FS-3 Photosniper (ES)
1980 Zenit EM Olympic
1980 Zenit E Olympic
1993 Zenit FS-12-3 Fotosaiper (12XPS)
a Zenit UPA 5M enlarger
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
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Posted - Jun 20 2012 : 11:12:07 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by uwittehh
Fred,
great, 2 TSVVS's :-) I wonder if we are the only guys who collect them :-D
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de
I would say that there is many reasons why it is so many here.
TSVVS is so extreme, that not many know about it. There has been so much fakes, that many may even take all of them as fakes. As a matter of fact not even here it is certain where it was made! So the real market may be very small, unless you sell in the web and have a good description & reputation.
BTW: I also want one, and even a fake would be OK in my vitrine, as here in Finland only a handful know about TSVVS existence, and only I would know it as a fake
Best regards,
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Fred_L
France
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Posted - Jun 21 2012 : 04:03:20 AM
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Hi All
I agree with Juhani....We all know here what is a TSVVS...
But, what is sure, is that people who have sold me the cameras knew very well the value and the rarity..... So we are not alone...
The most surprising this year in Bievres was these 2 cameras to sell. It was first year I see TSVVS in Bièvres!
Sellers were both Italian.
One is a collector and has made an article in Leica magazine in 1997 about camera I bought him. I have to copy this article and to put it in the wiki.
Second is also an Italian guy , and I think Aidas knows him well as he has bought him some rare cameras in the past.
I bought this second camera after Bievres.
I think and hope these 2 cameras are not fakes...Princelle told me they are genuine.... But who could be sure???????
Fred |
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Fred_L
France
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 21 2012 : 4:15:06 PM
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Juhani,
yes it's an extreme camera that nobody really knows about. I was a bit surprised how many people here have on (or more...). But thinking about it we are only a handfull of guys here who collect them and so we have seen only about 2 or 3 percent of them at all. As we know about 1000 were made and I think that a lot (most of them) are existing until today (because it's a camera made for special purposes).
Btw. I have never heard of a fake of it or seen one (neither in real nor in pictures). I have only read that they may exist :-)
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jun 22 2012 : 10:24:24 AM
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Thanks, Fred, for the article.
About fakes, I saw one some years ago at Bièvres. Easy to recognize because of the window of the viewfinder. Too, it was much lighter than a real TSVVS: the shell was made of aluminium and not brass. Probably a Fed...
The TSVVS really is a difficult camera to fake...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 10:52:09 AM
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Always about TSVVS fakes, there is one in the JLP, 2nd edition, p. 100. On the picture, it has a Fed viewfinder window. The other one on the same picture seems genuine.
Now, my 1950 TSVVS, just arrived. I already had the 1949 one (background).
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/572012_TSVVS 003.jpg
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 4:01:40 PM
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Congratulation, Jacques!
Very nice cameras. They seem not being in use, just from the photo-shop shelf .
Which serial number do they have? My cameras are 292 (1949) und 714 (1950)
Regards, Alexander |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 4:50:29 PM
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Jacques, congratulation from me too!
Interesting that both of your TSVVS have the "Carl Zeiss Jena" lens cap. Mine has it too.
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 03:55:31 AM
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Thanks, Ulrich and Alexander.
Serial numbers: 264 (1949) and 503 (1950). Both are in very good condition. But all the TSVVS I know are in the same excellent condition: hardly used.
I am going to open a special thread about these cameras: some details like the lens caps are interesting.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Fred_L
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 5:47:29 PM
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Hello Fred,
very nice cameras, but I think, that the number on the lens of your Sport camera does not match with the camera.
Cameras with such low number have usually three screws, and your camera has only one. Very strange...
Regards, Alexander |
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Fred_L
France
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 02:37:20 AM
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Hello Alexander
Yes I agree, it is strange..
Same for the front panel..seems to be a later one...
Maybe it is a camera that has been rebuilt from parts?
Lens itself seems to be original (not fake)..
Fred |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 06:27:41 AM
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A Sport is always a desirable camera for a collector, even if it was partially rebuilt.
And really, I think a Sport is impossible to fake.
So, congratulations, Fred!
I think I will have mine too. A day... when I will be tired of extra-USSR cameras!
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
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Fred_L
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - Sep 04 2012 : 7:37:01 PM
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Very nice buy Fred, these are pretty uncommon, especially with original box!
By the way I love opening this thread every time because the very first post if made by Alain Berry, it's just a great feeling seeing his name every time.. I really miss his posts on this forum and this seems like it's keeping his legacy alive. Sorry for sentimental off-topic..
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Michel
France
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Posted - Sep 05 2012 : 03:45:29 AM
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Hi Vlad,
Thanks for quoting Alain's legacy.
Here, in France, some USSR camera collectors have the same feeling as yours…
And, no, it's not "off topic".
Many thanks again.
Michel. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 05 2012 : 05:13:57 AM
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Alain's memory is one of the reasons why I often post in this topic. Three years ago, now...
Edit: two years. Sorry.
Jacques. |
Edited by - Jacques M. on Sep 17 2012 09:46:29 AM |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 17 2012 : 09:45:21 AM
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A new and curious lens here.
In fact, a screw mount Jupiter 3 for the outside, and a the barrel of a Sonnar inside, each with its serial number: 741087 for KMZ and (2)860843 (so probably made in 1946) for Zeiss.
I have found it on eBay, you probably had seen it. I could not resist...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792012_jup-sonnar 001.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1792012_jup-sonnar 003.jpg
The plausible explanation: the barrel and its lenses had been sent to Kiev as war spoil. For some reason, it was only re-discovered some years after and dressed with KMZ clothes.
Unless you have other ideas?
Amitiés. Jacques.
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zhang
Kievuser
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 28 2012 : 11:49:34 AM
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Hi Zhang!
I dismounted some of my S-s and one 1e.
They all had that hole.
I am going to look at an early 1c to be sure.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Brian
USA
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Posted - Sep 28 2012 : 6:51:03 PM
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On the curious KMZ/Zeiss J-3, looks a lot like mine.
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030915792/] [/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030915792/]J-3, Zeiss SN[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/73370230@N08/]anachronist1[/url], on Flickr
The Serial Number puts it at April 1945. The front ring puts it at a 1950 KMZ.
I picked up a 1950 KMZ Jupiter-3 in Contax/Kiev mount, looked unused. The focal length was much too short for a Contax and a Leica, I lenghtened it and put into a Leica focus mount. The glass on mine was perfect, probably because it was unused. Sewing thread was wrapped around the threads to keep it into the Contax/Kiev mount, no shims. I think it was assembly practice, and was never used.
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030920517/] [/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/8030920517/]1950 KMZ J-3[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/73370230@N08/]anachronist1[/url], on Flickr
Wide-Open on the M9:
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/7990167605/] [/url]
[url=http://www.flickr.com/photos/73370230@N08/7990167605/]Burke Lake[/url] by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/73370230@N08/]anachronist1[/url], on Flickr
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Jacgues- If the front element on yours has a yellow cast, I would guess that it has been replaced- hence the 1974 namering. The front elements on the newer lenses work quite well on the older KMZ and Zeiss lenses. The black Screwmount focus mount: yours could have been in Contax/Kiev like mine was originally. |
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Posted - Sep 29 2012 : 02:05:42 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.
Hi Zhang!
I dismounted some of my S-s and one 1e.
They all had that hole.
I am going to look at an early 1c to be sure.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Hi Jacques,
Thanks for your reply! I have also checked an earlier Fed-1 s/n 8xxxxx that has no such holes. I will check a few more when I got time.
Cheers,
Zhang |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 29 2012 : 05:43:21 AM
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Thanks Brian! And congrats for your work on your lens!
In fact, on my lens, the front metallic element had a black colour. The yellow comes from brass. I have a Jup 3 with the same front element where brass is visible under black.
As far as I know, all (most of?) the original late wartime 1,5 Sonnars have a metallic external chrome/internal black front element, like this one:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2992012_Sonnar 1,5 wartime 004.jpg
When Sonnars were sent to Kiev, probably the metallic head was not used, and the reengravings (ZK, then Jupiter) were made on a special brass element. Hence this completely black element we find too on the Jupiter 3.
Here, we only speak of 1,5 Sonnars towards 1,5 ZK (scarce!) and Jupiter 3. The 2/5cm lenses are another matter.
But I must confess that I am not sure of anything... I walk on eggs!
If we continue this discussion, perhaps we could open a special thread?
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Sep 30 2012 : 07:49:01 AM
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Great new items here to see :-)
As I remember my FED Berdsk also have the hole. And there are a lot of FED leather bags existing which have space for an additional slow speed dial on the front.
Here is my newest find, an ultra rare Contax III with engraving "Allemagne S.I." (S.I. stands for Societe Ikonta) on the rewind dial. The 1,5/50 Sonnar is not the original one but I think it looks better with it :-) It comes with a standard 2,0/50 Sonnar. After cleaning it and refreshing the leather a bit it looks really great.
Ulrich
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Brian
USA
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Posted - Oct 05 2012 : 9:24:39 PM
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On the Sonnar/J-3 with the 741084 namering: is the coating of the lens element yellow or blue? A yellow color would mean it had been replaced. I've done this with a couple of KMZ J-3's, with great results.
I've been taking apart some J-3's and Sonnars to get some insight on the optical design. I will post a thread on the findings. Mostly, concerns using the J-8 and J-3 on a Leica across the focus range wide-open. |
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jed
France
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Oct 21 2012 : 09:04:32 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Brian
On the Sonnar/J-3 with the 741084 namering: is the coating of the lens element yellow or blue? A yellow color would mean it had been replaced. I've done this with a couple of KMZ J-3's, with great results.
You are right, Brian.
The coating is yellow, like on my 1951 Jupiter 3.
Very probably, the first optical element was changed. So, it is a KMZ-Sonnar and not a Sonnar-KMZ!
I should have pictures from it in a while and will post one or two.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Dec 07 2012 : 5:24:22 PM
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Newest find this week: A nearly complete Kiev 15 TEE set, only instruction booklet is missing. A Kiev 15 TEE with Helios 81 and Jupiter 9 (in box), lens caps, filters, lens hood, leather bag, eye piece and the rare Zenit-M39 adapter. It was made in 1978 and it works very well. It has an interesting shutter mechanism.
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 18 2013 : 08:00:51 AM
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I have just received a Fed 1 more...
In fact, rather a Fed reingraved Leica.
Not in very good condition, but it has lived and certainly took many pictures...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1812013_Fed 1d - Leica 002.jpg
More interesting: it came with a genuine Leica from 1939, by the serial number. And the body and the lens were regulated together: there is a shim between the shutter box and the body.
As I can see, the body should be a 1d, serial # between c. 100000-150000. So, body and lens could be contemporaneous. All a story to (re)write!
Amitiés. Jacques.
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esomax
Russia
10 Posts |
Posted - Feb 06 2013 : 11:34:12 AM
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No name - number 011118 LOMO
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
584 Posts |
Posted - Feb 06 2013 : 2:20:29 PM
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Hi,
the name plate seems to be lost. I am not sure, that it is the no-name camera.
You have already the manifacturer name (LOMO) on the lens.
Regards, Alexander |
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esomax
Russia
10 Posts |
Posted - Feb 06 2013 : 4:08:02 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by AlexanderK
Hi,
the name plate seems to be lost. I am not sure, that it is the no-name camera.
You have already the manifacturer name (LOMO) on the lens.
Regards, Alexander
Nothing is lost. Inserted a metal plate. Possible to write - LUNA
The background the camera written body sticker for distributors.
See link - http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?784016222
Model - PK1420
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Ralph J
USA
15 Posts |
Posted - Feb 28 2013 : 10:41:45 AM
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Good morning;
One of the local camera pushers surprised me. He had a Kiev-60 sitting in a cardboard box in an unusual location in his shop, but I did see it and recognized it. I began making inquiries. It took a while.
This particular Kiev-60 with the Volna-3C P-6 Mount lens had been sold used to a purchaser a couple of months ago. I have not any sort of idea on how they obtained it originally. Well, two months later, it began to have problems, and the purchaser brought it back to them. This is where I came in and saw it.
So, the mirror goes up and the shutter runs when the film advance lever is swinging back on its return stroke. The TTL Light Meter in the Pentaprism does not work, but it does have the adapter tube in it for holding the 357 batteries. The Waist Level Viewfinder is warped a little and does not come up very well to viewing position. These are the main things I have seen so far.
But it does have the accessory ISO flash shoe mount on the left front of the camera, and it came with the 20mm and 40mm P-6 Extension Tubes.
I probably paid too much for it in this condition, but it is still a lot less than some of the things I was required to pay for in the past for which I received absolutely nothing. I am happy to have a sample of the fully recognized and labeled Kiev-60 in stock. And it will be sent out for the needed repairs and CLA.
So, the Zavod Kyiv (Kiev Arsenal) Medium Format 120 Roll Film camera bodies are complete.
Now there is only the Mir-26 or the rare Mir-69 45mm f:3.5 Wide Angle lens to be found. Optically these lenses seem to be very similar; both of them have noticeable barrel distortion and usually show some chromatic aberration. Usually this is a problem of lens design, and not a quality control or manufacturing defect or lens sample-to-sample variation that can be corrected at a later time. Sorry. That is main reason why I had chosen not to get that particular lens, the 45mm f:3.5 wide angle lens, for my use. But now it looks like I may need to get one for a slightly different purpose.
Enjoy;
Ralph
Latte Land, Washington
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S.H.
France
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Jacques M.
France
2576 Posts |
Posted - Mar 04 2013 : 11:40:16 AM
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Special congrats for your ZK!
Yes, collapsible ones are rare. More: this one is one of the last (by my datas) before Jupiter 8 (with ears).
Of course, it is much easier to fake a rigid ZK than a collapsible one: Jup parts are much more common than Sonnar ones... But certainly it doesn't explain completely the rarity of the collapsible ZK.
I would be interested to have the Zeiss serial number of your Jup 3 for my datas.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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S.H.
France
28 Posts |
Posted - Mar 04 2013 : 1:36:48 PM
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Thanks! For some reason, the same collector sold a 1950 Kiev II + rigid ZK for twice the price of mine, the eBay auction went much higher; but it has box and papers. Seems like the III is less valued. Strange, as I thought it was produced in smaller numbers.
My J-3 (PT2020 in sovietcams page) has the soviet s/n 5001482 and the Zeiss s/n 862023 (stands for 2862023) on the rear. Thiele's book says it was produced at the end of 1945, no camera mount is listed so it was probably made without mount at the Zeiss factory to be shipped in the USSR later.
What are the s/n number range for collapsible ZK? |
Edited by - S.H. on Mar 04 2013 1:42:45 PM |
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Jacques M.
France
2576 Posts |
Posted - Mar 04 2013 : 3:03:47 PM
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Impossible to answer your question precisely.
It seems there is no real correlation between Zeiss s/n ranges and ZK ones... Exactly as if KMZ had picked "by chance" a Zeiss lens in a board to convert it into a ZK. Or to let it live as a Zeiss, with changing the flange (M rather than m). And at the same time, or almost, producing their own optical parts and bodies...
I have for example a Jupiter 12/Biogon with has a 1952 KMZ serial number and a 1943 optical Zeiss one (18/03/43 by Thiele. And a 1951 Jupiter 12 which is a Jupiter 12, and nothing else...
All I say is for wartime LTM lenses. We must keep in mind that pure original LTM lenses are probably rare. Fakes are certainly less numerous that one think. Most of LTM lenses we see on eBay are probably "reconstructed". When? Impossible to know. As for the Contax/Kiev mount, things are probably much more simple, except for those "rigid" 2/5cm ZK-s: original or fake?
If you are interested, I can send you my datas about Kiev cameras and their lens from 1947 to 1950. I had some more precise datas about lenses, but they were lost by my computer.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
Edited by - Jacques M. on Mar 04 2013 3:06:54 PM |
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S.H.
France
28 Posts |
Posted - Mar 04 2013 : 3:27:20 PM
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Well, thanks, it would be nice to have some data about soviet lenses. My email should be in my profile.
For wartime LTM lenses : I have three of them. One is a wartime Biogon (true Zeiss lens), one is a wartime Sonnar 1.5 in a very strange barrel (not at all like a J3 or other Zeiss lenses), one is a wartime Sonnar 8.5cm in an aluminium barrel like the earliest J-9, but with strange unfinished markings.
I can post pictures here if you are interested.
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Exactly as if KMZ had picked "by chance" a Zeiss lens in a board to convert it into a ZK. Or to let it live as a Zeiss, with changing the flange (M rather than m). And at the same time, or almost, producing their own optical parts and bodies.
They had perhaps parallel lines running, some with German parts, some with Soviet parts, and technicians learning and going from one to another? |
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Jacques M.
France
2576 Posts |
Posted - Mar 05 2013 : 04:06:18 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by S.H.
They had perhaps parallel lines running, some with German parts, some with Soviet parts, and technicians learning and going from one to another?
History is known, at least partly, thanks to Kuc, Otto, the Zeiss Society and some others.
But when I have a LTM wartime Sonnar in hands, generally I cannot say precisely where and by whom it was made! Nor when it was converted!
I will put my data about Kiev/ZK serial numbers in the wiki.
Jacques. |
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
176 Posts |
Posted - Mar 08 2013 : 12:24:21 PM
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a wartime 1,5 with a strange barrel... that sounds interesting ? send a picture
There is a small number of lenses with very bizarre (not zeiss, not russian) engravings... and diamond shaped instead of lines drilleds rings.
as for late or early zeiss or zk lens, I own one of the latest pre ZK lens, a collapsible 5cm/f2 T n° 2936226
Stephan |
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S.H.
France
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Jacques M.
France
2576 Posts |
Posted - Mar 09 2013 : 10:20:52 AM
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Very interesting!
So, the rear cam turns when regulating the distance?
If not, how does that work?
Jacques. |
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S.H.
France
28 Posts |
Posted - Mar 09 2013 : 12:42:27 PM
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| Yes, it turns. It is threaded into the mount, not smooth. |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1013 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 11 2013 : 11:02:12 AM
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http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1132013_OlympicFlash.JPG
Jelektronika 85-22 "Olympic" flashlight, and with automatic exposure. So even flaslights were made with the special symbol 
Original price 60 rubles 50 kopeka, yesterday one euro
Best regards,
Juhani |
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S.H.
France
28 Posts |
Posted - Mar 23 2013 : 04:18:22 AM
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Hello,
while drinking my morning coffee, I just found a "no name" 1964 Kiev on the auction site :
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2332013_$T2eC16hHJGQE9noMcSRJBRTUs3uCB!~~60_12.JPG
It was described as a regular Kiev (no mention of a "no name" or of the Contax), and sold at the same price than other regular Kievs, so I'll bet it is real. The seller was Ukrainian. It will probably need a good cleaning, I also do not think it will work dependably but it is a nice cheap addition to my Contax lineup.
Some sources say 5000 - 6000 were produced, but they seem to came up regularly, no? |
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G.Franco Giordano
Francesco
Italy
35 Posts |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
811 Posts
My Collection
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G.Franco Giordano
Francesco
Italy
35 Posts |
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Niko80
Austria
174 Posts |
Posted - May 02 2013 : 4:37:02 PM
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Well, not exactly "just arrived", but stil quite nice:
My FED-S collection
FED-S/c No.69929 with engraving error ("X" missing)
Lens No.22495
FED-S/d No.2570 with "numbering error" (?)
Lens No.25237
FED-S/e No. 174119 (quite normal)
Lens No.32763
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FED-S/c No.70883 from Aidas, the camera I use for photography
Lens No.22506
FED 28mm f/4.5 lens No.45964
FED 100mm f/6.3 lens No.34069 with finder (unnumbered)
100mm No.34069 + finder, 50mm macro No.13923 and 28mm No.45964 lenses
All my different prewar FED lenses and accessories:
Top row:
self-timer, leather case for light meter, yellow filters, right angle finder
Mid row:
leather case for 100mm f/6.3 lens, light meter, cardboard case for 28mm f/4.5 lens
Bottom row:
100mm f/6.3 lens with finder, 50mm f/3.5 macro lens, 28mm f/4.5 lens
Except for the light meter (the selenium cell died) all the accessories work fine. Lenses have been collimated for use with FED-S No.70883
I also have some "normal" (yet unusual) prewar FED1 cameras, will post them here as soon as I find the time!
Regards,
Christian |
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Jacques M.
France
2576 Posts |
Posted - May 03 2013 : 04:35:46 AM
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Waouh!
Don't tell me you bought all that at the same time!
I have a good collection of Fed 1, but it took 5 or 6 years to me.
I use normally a Fed S too. Now, a 16xxxxx 1d, previously a 67xxx 1c. I find my 1d perfect as a user: it has a marvelous rangefinder. But I changed the lenses by wartime Zeiss lenses...
Congratulation for your collection!
Jacques. |
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G.Franco Giordano
Francesco
Italy
35 Posts |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1013 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - May 03 2013 : 09:51:17 AM
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Wow!
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Niko80
Austria
174 Posts |
Posted - May 03 2013 : 10:37:44 AM
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No, not at the same time but within the last 3 years.
When I came to this forum all I wanted was a FED1 for photography since I inherited a non-working FED1c from my grandfather (more about that soon).
Now I have 8 cameras and all these accessories, I guess things got a little out of hand...
Regards,
Christian |
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
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Archive59
USA
1 Posts |
Posted - May 03 2013 : 6:20:52 PM
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I was always under the impression that these lens are intended for use on an enlarger, but I could be wrong.
Cheers,
Mark |
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
27 Posts |
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G.Franco Giordano
Francesco
Italy
35 Posts |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 12:28:11 AM
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Great find, Jimmy.
Actually Italy is a good market for FSU cameras. Furthermore, in these days prices are very good because of the crisis. I'm positive you'll find many other stuff in Italy.
Regards.
Francesco
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vittorio gabaglio
ricale
Italy
28 Posts |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 05:48:23 AM
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Only is he's not in competition with me.
frendly
Vittorio |
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Jim Byrd
JimmyB
USA
27 Posts |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 11:17:16 AM
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Thank you,Francesco. The price was quite reasonable.
I'm afraid Vittorio has the advantage over me in the Italian market
But I shouldn't complain. Sometimes I run across very good deals here in the US.
JimmyB |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4247 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - May 05 2013 : 9:55:26 PM
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| The export version has very uncommon lens - the rigid Industar-22, nice buy! |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - May 06 2013 : 06:46:50 AM
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| FOTON is a great find!!! |
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just arrived in my collection
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