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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Apr 03 2012 :  10:18:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A Fed S d type more with a wartime Sonnar lens (not original).


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/342012_Fed S 164433 001.jpg

Amitiés. Jacques.

PS:no way to know more about that strange thing in your Fed meter, Fred?


Edited by - Jacques M. on Apr 03 2012 10:38:04 AM
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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Apr 03 2012 :  12:34:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Jacques

No , No nexs about my meter
It seems to be original, but so strange....

All the best

Fred
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Brian
USA
60 Posts
Posted - Apr 07 2012 :  7:19:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A 1952 KMZ Jupiter-12, with Zeiss Serial Number on the rear module.



The focus was way-off, off 2m for a 5m test. Added a 0.2mm shim, luckily the J-8 and J-12 take the same shims.



And verified: the early J-12 in LTM fits on the M8.



No coding, and I do not see any vignetting.

Edited by - Brian on Apr 07 2012 7:21:58 PM
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Brian
USA
60 Posts
Posted - Apr 07 2012 :  7:30:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
and- a 1950 KMZ Jupiter-3, originally held into it's Contax/Kiev Mount using sewing thread.



The focus was way-off, front-focus problem. No shims to remove. The machining on the mount was off, and the optics wobbled around in it.

The focal length was too short, even for use on a Leica. I moved the rear optics out ~0.2mm and then set the main shim. Took several attempts, but the focus is good across the full range now on the Leica, moved the optics module into a 1956 KMZ LTM mount. Without moving the rear module, the lens could be used from close-up to about 3m.



Close-up at F1.5





This lens looks like it had never been used- I'm thinking it just never worked right.

Edited by - Brian on Apr 07 2012 9:09:55 PM
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Brian
USA
60 Posts
Posted - Apr 08 2012 :  7:11:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The J-12 on The Leica M9, 100% crop:



Full image, wide-open at F2.8

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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Apr 15 2012 :  03:43:39 AM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just arrived...

a complete 1956 Zorki 4 set, including box, bag, instruction booklet and matching papers. And it looks and works like new, I just had to change the selftimer that was broken. Winding knob, collar around release button and rewind knob are in Zorki 3C style.





Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Apr 15 2012 :  03:45:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Brian,

great finds and really amazing pics.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Apr 15 2012 :  10:44:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Wonderful pictures, Brian!
I find once more the "bokeh" of my wartime 1,5/5cm Sonnar.

But my special congrats for all the work...

Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Apr 15 2012 :  11:05:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

A Fed Red Flag, here.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1542012_Red Flag 002.jpg

Something really surprising: the rangefinder has a yellow/orange colour.

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
552 Posts
Posted - Apr 15 2012 :  11:13:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Congratulation, Jacques!
Your number is less, than mine (200600)

Regards, Alexander
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Apr 16 2012 :  3:35:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jacques and Alexander,

you both are lucky guys. I am looking for a Red Flag for years but there is none around...

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
552 Posts
Posted - Apr 16 2012 :  4:04:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ulrich, don't worry!
I let you know, if I see one more

Regards, Alexander
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4108 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Apr 16 2012 :  4:36:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Congrats Jacques, I'm just curious, what do Red Flags sell for nowadays? I am also on the lookout for one..
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Apr 17 2012 :  07:14:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I would say between 400 and 1000 euros, very roughly...
But the most difficult is to find one. And to be sure it is genuine, which is very difficult as there are not many samples known...

Probably I will open a link about that. I am very curious for example about the yellow colour in the rangefinder...

Of course, I am happy to have mine. I had been looking for for years...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4108 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Apr 18 2012 :  7:11:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Many thanks for information, Jacques!

Best regards,
Vlad
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Eric
Robotnik
USA
17 Posts
Posted - May 07 2012 :  4:58:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I got a rather normal Kiev 19 in the mail today. Only cost me 19 bucks + shipping.




As you can see this one was made in 1989, and it has the Quality Seal. (I did not see any others on eBay with the Quality seal.)

The lens has some metalic dust in it, but other than that its nice. Camera works fine.

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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
552 Posts
Posted - May 07 2012 :  5:43:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Zenit-7 preseries (first version) arrived here (s/n 6800165, lens s/n 000067). It does not work, but looks damn good !




Regards, Alexander
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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - May 15 2012 :  12:20:52 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello all!!

Just received from an auction in Sweden...
The camera is exactly as I received it.

It needs some cleaning, because some dust inside, but mechanics are ok.
Shutter working at all speeds.

Not sure the back is really the original one of the camera, because adjustments on each side are approximative...

Lens is complete and in good shape...

Gomz Logo is orange.

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_08.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Sport_10.jpg

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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - May 15 2012 :  12:34:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Second camera coming from this auction (Sweden).

This F-21 is as new but has a lot of dust...So it needs to be carefully cleaned.
Shutter is working

Fred

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_F-21_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_F-21_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_F-21_01.jpg

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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - May 15 2012 :  1:01:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This one is not coming from Sweden

I bought it last Sunday in Versailles in what we call "brocante"

I cleaned a little bit the box... It was impossible to see the color....
Camera was not in box, it is one I had alone before.
But camera is not export one as the lens is for export I guess.
I have also one Zenit ES for export in latin characters... I will change it when I find where it is in my home...

The lens need to be cleaned, but glasses are perfect. I am not sure it has been used....Serial number 3300
Box came with 5 filters too, and with original cap and shade.

Price: 40 euros and no shipping cost: I am living close to Versailles

Fred





http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Foto-Sniper_02.jpg




http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Foto-Sniper_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Foto-Sniper_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Foto-Sniper_08.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1552012_Foto-Sniper_09.jpg



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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Jun 07 2012 :  04:49:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

A Fed more arrived yesterday here.
Not so common: it's an early one without accessory shoe.
This one (# 7373) has an ordinary half turn Fed lens, contrarily to my # 7122 which has a one turn one.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/762012_1b 001.jpg

Amitiés. Jacques.

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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Jun 07 2012 :  04:54:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Special congratulations for your Sport, Fred! And once more time for your recent TSVVS!
I will have too to try and buy cameras at auctions...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Jun 07 2012 :  07:48:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HI Jacques

Your FED is so nice too....
May be I will have surprises on next weeks..

An Revue Horizont (I got it but as i am out for ten days, I will make pics later....
One more TSVVS...... I am negociating it , and it is nice with all matching numbers...

So we have to wait about 15 days!!!!

Congratulations for your FED!!!

FRED
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Jun 08 2012 :  4:01:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Another TSVVS... wow!
Always a 1950 one? Or a 1949?
Eager to see that!

And congratulations!

Amitiés. Jacques.

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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Jun 08 2012 :  4:31:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is a 1950
Body and Base plate are matching, I am sure

I have to wait about one week...to be sure

Fore sure I will give you some news...

Fred




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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 17 2012 :  4:56:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Nice new cameras arrived in this thread :-)

My newest is a like new Leningrad from 1963. It came here with a blocked release button. This must happened very early because it looks as it was never used.

So I disassembled it and found the bug. A lever was gone out of it's position and blocked releasing the shutter.

It has an interesting engraving around the big wind knob which I have never seen before. I think collecting Leningrads could be interesting ...

After cleaning and reassembling it:



The engraving around the winding knob:




I have documented the reassembly, maybe it's interesting for you even it is only in german:

http://fotos.cconin.de/kameras/leningradrepair/index.htm

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Jun 18 2012 :  04:56:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Happy to see you again, Ulrich, and bravo for this immaculate Leningrad!
The inscription reads "made in USSR", I think?

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 18 2012 :  06:39:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jacques,

I meant I have never seen this engraving on a Leningrad before :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Jun 18 2012 :  11:35:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Arrived today, complete with original cap and original case too....
Numbers inside camera and base plate are matching.(both n°90) as my other TSVVS (729) has two different numbers (15 in camera and 91 on base plate)
It works well at all speeds and rangefinder is OK. I just need to clean a little bit!

Fred



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_01.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_03.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_04.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_07.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_TSVVS_804_BD_02.jpg

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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Jun 18 2012 :  11:37:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not another TSVVS but quite interesting too....

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_Horizont_Revue_BD_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862012_Horizont_Revue_BD_02.jpg

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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Jun 18 2012 :  2:58:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

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Jørgen Kjølsen
CrazyCatman
Denmark
11 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 20 2012 :  06:08:55 AM  Show Profile  Visit CrazyCatman's Homepage  Send CrazyCatman an ICQ Message  Click to see CrazyCatman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Yesterday I got two things for my collection - both rather ordinary:

Fed 2 type C, from 1956 (11188):


And a 1993 Zenit 12XPS Fotosniper (a bit too young for this site as it's "Made in Russia") - unfortuantly without the box as my ES/FS3 has:


---
You can call me "Yuri"...

SSSR collections so far:
1956 FED 2 C
1978 Zenit E
1979 Zenit FS-3 Photosniper (ES)
1980 Zenit EM Olympic
1980 Zenit E Olympic
1993 Zenit FS-12-3 Fotosaiper (12XPS)
a Zenit UPA 5M enlarger
... plus some "foregien" stuff.

Edited by - CrazyCatman on Jun 20 2012 06:11:28 AM
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 20 2012 :  4:49:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Fred,

great, 2 TSVVS's :-) I wonder if we are the only guys who collect them :-D

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 20 2012 :  4:56:20 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Arrived 2 days ago... A like new KIEV III from 1953 with DIN engraving and Zorki ZK lens from 1950. It seems to be a real combination of camera and lens (why should someone change the lens to a ZK-lens?). But there are 3 years difference between camera and lens date. Could it be that the soviets put the old lenses on the first with old Contax parts made KIEV III? I have not seen this combination before.

Here are some pics, it looks stunning in my eyes:







Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 20 2012 :  5:00:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Fred, the Horizont Revue is interesting. Mine has number 6903353 so only 600 numbers away from yours.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 20 2012 :  5:04:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jørgen,

nice camera finds. I hope that you have enough room in your closet for the next at least 50 soviet cameras you WILL buy

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jørgen Kjølsen
CrazyCatman
Denmark
11 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 20 2012 :  5:25:28 PM  Show Profile  Visit CrazyCatman's Homepage  Send CrazyCatman an ICQ Message  Click to see CrazyCatman's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
b
quote:
Originally posted by uwittehh

Jørgen,

nice camera finds. I hope that you have enough room in your closet for the next at least 50 soviet cameras you WILL buy

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de


Hi Ulrich,
I am running out of space on my camera shelf, even tho I am only onto 6 Sovjet cameras; one of them is at my "museum" shelf, as it's not working atm - and my oldest PhotoSniper is in it's box under the shelf - so those two doesn't take space - but my extra lenses and other cameras takes alot of space - but the newest Fotosniper does take most space, as I chosed to put it together as I don't have a box for it - then I want people to see how cool it looks!
But I will have more ;)

I even started to get a French photographer into the Sovjet cameras too! He started to ask about my Zenit EM, because he was thinking of ordering a 412, in the end he ordered it - and also bought a Zenit E with an I-50 "pancake" lens - and now is looking for a Fed as well.

I don't know what my next Sovjet should be, but I am going back to Sankt-Peterburg soon, so if I will find something good I will get that. I already have two enlarger lens waiting for me as I needed to change the one on my Zenit UPA-5 because of fungus, so I am back to use that giant Meopta that I wanted to give a vacation because of the neat size of the UPA.

---
You can call me "Yuri"...

SSSR collections so far:
1956 FED 2 C
1978 Zenit E
1979 Zenit FS-3 Photosniper (ES)
1980 Zenit EM Olympic
1980 Zenit E Olympic
1993 Zenit FS-12-3 Fotosaiper (12XPS)
a Zenit UPA 5M enlarger
... plus some "foregien" stuff.

Edited by - CrazyCatman on Jun 20 2012 5:26:24 PM
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
955 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 20 2012 :  11:12:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit cedricfan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by uwittehh

Fred,

great, 2 TSVVS's :-) I wonder if we are the only guys who collect them :-D

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de



I would say that there is many reasons why it is so many here.
TSVVS is so extreme, that not many know about it. There has been so much fakes, that many may even take all of them as fakes. As a matter of fact not even here it is certain where it was made! So the real market may be very small, unless you sell in the web and have a good description & reputation.

BTW: I also want one, and even a fake would be OK in my vitrine, as here in Finland only a handful know about TSVVS existence, and only I would know it as a fake

Best regards,
Juhani
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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Jun 21 2012 :  04:03:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi All

I agree with Juhani....We all know here what is a TSVVS...

But, what is sure, is that people who have sold me the cameras knew very well the value and the rarity..... So we are not alone...

The most surprising this year in Bievres was these 2 cameras to sell. It was first year I see TSVVS in Bièvres!
Sellers were both Italian.
One is a collector and has made an article in Leica magazine in 1997 about camera I bought him. I have to copy this article and to put it in the wiki.
Second is also an Italian guy , and I think Aidas knows him well as he has bought him some rare cameras in the past.
I bought this second camera after Bievres.

I think and hope these 2 cameras are not fakes...Princelle told me they are genuine.... But who could be sure???????

Fred
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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Jun 21 2012 :  3:21:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all

I put an article on Wiki about TSVVS n°729
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=39&ParentID=4&ContentID=1560&Item=TSVVS+Article++Leica+Magazine+

Enjoy!!

Fred
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jun 21 2012 :  4:15:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Juhani,

yes it's an extreme camera that nobody really knows about. I was a bit surprised how many people here have on (or more...). But thinking about it we are only a handfull of guys here who collect them and so we have seen only about 2 or 3 percent of them at all. As we know about 1000 were made and I think that a lot (most of them) are existing until today (because it's a camera made for special purposes).

Btw. I have never heard of a fake of it or seen one (neither in real nor in pictures). I have only read that they may exist :-)

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Jun 22 2012 :  10:24:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thanks, Fred, for the article.
About fakes, I saw one some years ago at Bièvres. Easy to recognize because of the window of the viewfinder. Too, it was much lighter than a real TSVVS: the shell was made of aluminium and not brass. Probably a Fed...
The TSVVS really is a difficult camera to fake...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Jul 05 2012 :  10:52:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Always about TSVVS fakes, there is one in the JLP, 2nd edition, p. 100. On the picture, it has a Fed viewfinder window. The other one on the same picture seems genuine.

Now, my 1950 TSVVS, just arrived. I already had the 1949 one (background).


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/572012_TSVVS 003.jpg

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
552 Posts
Posted - Jul 05 2012 :  4:01:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Congratulation, Jacques!
Very nice cameras. They seem not being in use, just from the photo-shop shelf .
Which serial number do they have? My cameras are 292 (1949) und 714 (1950)

Regards, Alexander
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
698 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Jul 05 2012 :  4:50:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Jacques, congratulation from me too!

Interesting that both of your TSVVS have the "Carl Zeiss Jena" lens cap. Mine has it too.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Jul 06 2012 :  03:55:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thanks, Ulrich and Alexander.
Serial numbers: 264 (1949) and 503 (1950). Both are in very good condition. But all the TSVVS I know are in the same excellent condition: hardly used.
I am going to open a special thread about these cameras: some details like the lens caps are interesting.

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Jul 11 2012 :  04:23:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some new cameras arrived last week

Sport has very low serial number
Leningrad is a 2 screw model on front panel

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Leningrad_LD_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Leningrad_LD_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Leningrad_LD_04.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Sport_LD_05.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Sport_LD_06.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_Sport_LD_08.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_F21_LD_01.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_F21_LD_02.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1172012_F21_LD_03.jpg

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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
552 Posts
Posted - Jul 11 2012 :  5:47:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Fred,
very nice cameras, but I think, that the number on the lens of your Sport camera does not match with the camera.
Cameras with such low number have usually three screws, and your camera has only one. Very strange...

Regards, Alexander
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Fred_L
France
197 Posts
Posted - Jul 12 2012 :  02:37:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Alexander

Yes I agree, it is strange..
Same for the front panel..seems to be a later one...
Maybe it is a camera that has been rebuilt from parts?
Lens itself seems to be original (not fake)..

Fred
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Jul 12 2012 :  06:27:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

A Sport is always a desirable camera for a collector, even if it was partially rebuilt.
And really, I think a Sport is impossible to fake.
So, congratulations, Fred!

I think I will have mine too. A day... when I will be tired of extra-USSR cameras!

Amitiés. Jacques.
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