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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 15 2014 :  03:41:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I have just done it. Thanks.

Considering the weight, sure the barrels are not made in alloy...
Really, I doubt that Sonnarex and 1.5/5.8 Sonnars were made by the same... Perhaps the glass?

Your lens seems not to be coated?

Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
697 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Feb 15 2014 :  07:32:51 AM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Interesting lens. I have found this on the web: http://leica-users.org/v24/msg01511.html I don't know if you know that posting already. The guy there has a lens with serial number 1498512.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Feb 15 2014 :  07:43:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Yes, Ulrich, I had seen it.
It was posted by Marc James Small, from the Zeiss Society.

Wie geht's?

Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Aug 30 2016 :  08:06:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Another exotic 1,5/5,8cm Sonnar here:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3082016_DSCF2527.JPG

It was found on a 1949 Leiva IIIc "sharkskin". The seller could not tell me when the lens was put on the body.

This lens is coated (like the s/n 1407293). But it has a red "T" mark on the beauty ring. And the same 40,5mm screw mount for filters as the Zeiss original 1,5/5cm Sonnar...

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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Aug 30 2016 :  08:17:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3082016_DSCF2530.JPG

Sorry for the dust...
The three Sonnnars, side by side:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/3082016_DSCF2529.JPG

From left to right: the original 1,5/5cm 2811301 and the "exotic" 1407059 and 1407293.
Note that this "new" 1407059 has too the six slot screw at the back.

If you have questions... I become a specialist about these non Zeiss Sonnars!

Amitiés. Jacques.




Edited by - Jacques M. on Aug 30 2016 08:21:39 AM
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Feb 12 2017 :  11:39:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Back to this topic always about the 1,5/5,8cm Sonnar s/n 1407059.
Altix dismounted it and made the scheme of the lens:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1222017_Sonnar1407059.jpg

The different parts of the lens are mounted from the front towards the rear. Seeing the complexity (and the number of these lenses: certainly around 500), probably the work was made by Zeiss workers who had "found" spare parts...

Thanks, Altix.

Jacques.

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altix
Ukraine
152 Posts
Posted - Sep 16 2017 :  06:11:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another fake Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar in Contax mount. It came with the additional detachable ring.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1692017_2.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1692017_3.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1692017_4.JPG

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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Sep 16 2017 :  10:48:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thanks, Altix. So, another exotic Sonnar, in Contax mount, that time... The detachable ring is rare and interesting too... What was it for, exactly? And what does the beauty ring read?

Amitiés. Jacques.
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altix
Ukraine
152 Posts
Posted - Sep 18 2017 :  07:59:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dear Jacques, the beauty ring mimics the standard one. It is written there "Sonnar 1:1,5 f=5cm Carl Zeiss Jena Nr . 3144117". The use of 3 in the beginning of the serial was probably dictated by imitation reasons. Of course the focal length is not 5 but rather 6 cm.

The filter ring does not fits for 40.5 mm screw-in filters or sun shades. Probably the additional ring served as some kind of adapter for 40mm slip-on filters. By the way, such filters and caps are more typical for post war West Germany (BW, Lifa, Schneider). Can it be the indication that the faked Sonnars were produced in West Germany?

One more observation - this Sonnar is perfectly adjusted for use with Contax camera. I am not sure if this is true for Leica 58 f1.5 Sonnars.

altix

Edited by - altix on Sep 18 2017 08:05:13 AM
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
1846 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 18 2017 :  8:14:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
how about na Hexanon 60mm 1.2 ?
https://www.ebay.com/p/Konica-Hexanon-60mm-F-1-2-L-Mount-Type-Leica-L39/1524543140
Regards
LP
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
1846 Posts
My Collection

Posted - Sep 18 2017 :  8:19:42 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Dear Alti,
Unless a new thread should be appied on Contax (or Kiev) it will be impossible focus correctly

and a new discover Nikon lenthread are the same as Contax Kiev.
see http://zeisscamera.com/articles_cnrfdr.shtml

Regards
LP
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Sep 19 2017 :  03:30:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Thanks, Altix, for your explanations.
As for the LTM 1,5/5,8cm, I can say that the first I have got is perfectly adjusted for Leica: I have made a roll with it and two photos are in the topic. Perfect. I don't know for the other ones.

Concerning the Hexanon, Luiz, thanks for the information. But it's too new and too expensive for me...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Nov 26 2017 :  05:55:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another exotic Sonnar here, written Sonnar 1,5 5cm Nr. 1548365 on the beauty ring. This beauty ring was later painted in black. It has the same body as the s/n 1211770. LTM 39mm, but no coupling system: certainly, it was mounted from spare parts.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112017_Sonnar 1548365 1.jpg
(photo of the seller).


Edited by - Jacques M. on Nov 26 2017 2:12:44 PM
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Jacques M.
France
2272 Posts
Posted - Nov 26 2017 :  05:58:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another photo, showing the lack of coupling system.
Note that this lens is perfect on my Sony A7, so correctly mounted.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/26112017_Sonnar 1548365 4.jpg
(photo of the seller)

Amitiés. Jacques.


Edited by - Jacques M. on Nov 26 2017 2:01:57 PM
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