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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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 Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 2:59:55 PM
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Hi folks,
as the topic says, a lovely babe arrives here 2 days ago. We have had six weeks of trouble before, the German Post says that I am not existing, so she went back to the sender... The next travel took only 4 days, and now she arrived.
A Contax II with Sonnar 2,0/50 from about 1936/37. I have NEVER seen such an old camera in a state like this. It looks like new. Chrome and black paint are perfect, I am counting 3 spots where you can see a bit of use. After cleaning and lubricating she looks and works like new, I love the wheezing sound an speeds below 1/50 sec.
Compared to my 49 Kiev II it is at the same level. There is no noticable difference between an original pre-war Contax and the first Kievs that were built on the original Zeiss machines in Kiev.
Here are some pics of the babe :-)
Ulrich
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
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Posted - Dec 16 2008 : 4:44:14 PM
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what a nice one... european version ... what are the serial number ? and the type of engravings on the back ? rounded or not rounded ss ?
happy pictures
Stephan |
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jed
France
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Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 01:48:06 AM
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Hello,
Congratulations ! It looks like new, a very hard to find item.
Ulrich wrote :
"I love the wheezing sound an speeds below 1/50 sec."
So am I :)
Best,
Jed |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 1:47:09 PM
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Stephan,
the serial starts with an "F", so it must be from 1936 or 1937.
The ss of Zeiss is not rounded, looks more like mirrored "Z"'s :-)
Ulrich
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Edited by - uwittehh on Dec 17 2008 2:40:39 PM |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 1:48:22 PM
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Jed,
you are right, they are hard to find. And it was not so good described in eBay as it really is :-)
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Dec 17 2008 : 4:59:11 PM
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Félicitations, Ulrich!
It seems to be new!
I think I will need such a Contax II, but in some time, after the digestion of the IA and of the 1950 Kiev II! 
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Michel
France
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Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 08:51:27 AM
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Hi Stephan,
I have a Contax II s/n # F.44609 and a Contax III s/n # F.44451.
Both of them were born in 1937-38, I guess.
Both of them have "SS" looking as reversed "ZZ"on their backs.
My question is: What does that mind?
(As you see, I am ignorant in Contax matters  )
(And I'm afraid we are out of subject of FSU cameras. Sorry, Vlad.)
Regards,
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 2:04:15 PM
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Michel,
mine has F 73531. Completely different to yours which have both F 44xxx.
Out of subject... only a little bit, one that loves Kievs has also to love Contax 8-)
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 2:10:02 PM
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Jacques,
I have another Contax II that I want to sell. It has an additional flash sync with two connectors. It's in a very good state, looks nearly like the one in my pics... Mail me back if you are interested in it. I will store in a warm and dry place for you in between ;-)
Ulrich
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
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Posted - Dec 18 2008 : 9:16:04 PM
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i just wanted to have clues about rounded or edged zeiss Sses... it seems that rounded SS come sometimes during wartime...
earlier backs are engraved with edged SS...
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Michel
France
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Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 02:35:55 AM
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Ulrich,
I agree.
But this is very dangerous… for our bank accounts…
It may lead to collect Kievs AND Contaxes…
Stephan,
My Contax IIIa s/n # T36429 (1951-52, so postwar) has rounded "ss".
Should we say : before WWII = edged "ss" ; post WWII = rounded "ss"?
Best regards,
Michel.
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
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Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 2:25:36 PM
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for the rounded or edged SS it's almost that... may be they changed the font (only the ss because of some runic reminiscence ? but it seem that late wartime models have already rounded SS embossing, some kind of resistance ?)
collecting contaxes is for more costly than kievs even if models variations are not so numerous...
- contax I (5 variations ?)
- contax II (and III) one major variation (speed scale) and two options (meter or feet scale)... some with importers marks (for china, Allemagne SI, Made in germany)
- contax IIa and IIIa one major variation (black dial colour dial) and two options (meter or feet)
- contax jena (rare and rarer)
this means that a serious collection of contaxes wouldn't be so big (around 16 models)
and of course since you like kievs too, you need a noname... on top.
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Michel
France
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Posted - Dec 19 2008 : 4:43:16 PM
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Stephan,
Thanks fo the Contaxes review. Long way to home… 
Kiev "no name" I have one.
Amitiés,
Michel.
BTW this is my 100° message.
(Only 100 ??? But I do my best… )
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
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Posted - Jan 02 2009 : 3:31:45 PM
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Hi folks,
another offtopic babe, but it is really nice :-)
Today a cute Contax IIIa (the postwar version of the Contax III) arrived here. It was built in 1952 and has spent most of the years in a warm and dry place and wasn't used too much as it looks...
It arrives with a Sonnar 1,5/50 (the brightest lens that you could buy in that time) and there was the original booklet and the price plate with it!
This babe costs DM 1135,- in 1952, that is a really heavy amount of money for that time. As I have found out on the web an industrial worker has had DM 370,- at this time before taxes! So you have to spent more than 3 monthly salaries to buy a Contax at the beginning of the fifties.
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
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Posted - Jan 02 2009 : 3:52:50 PM
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Michel,
btw, this 1952 Contax IIIa has also rounded "SS". And you are right, it is not sooooo good for the bank account, but what should I do? :-D
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jan 02 2009 : 3:55:35 PM
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And for all you postwar Contax collectors, here are the serial numbers and the dates when they were built.
The mechanical sync are the "Black Dial" ones, the PC sync are the "Color Dial" ones:
Contax IIa, mechanical sync
Letter, Serial Number, Production date
P, 97,001-100,000, 11/1949 to 6/1950
S, 20,001-28,000, 7/1950 to 4/1951
T, 5,001-9,000, 3/1951 to 7/1951
T, 28,001-35,000, 8/1951 to 12/1951
U, 1-5,000, 1/1952 to 5/1952
V, 15,001-20,000, 7/1952 to 8/1952
X, 1-3,000, 9/1952 to 10/1952
Y, 57,001-62,001, 11/1952 to 3/1953
A, 43,001-46,001, 4/1953 to 10/1953
Contax IIa, PC sync
Letter, Serial Number, Production dates
A, 46,000-53,000, 11/1953 to 9/1954
B, 90,001-95,000, 10/1954 to 2/1955
F, 20,001-25,000, 3/1955 to7/1956
Q, 30,001-33,000, 7/1956 to 9/1957
R, 33,001-34,000, 11/1956 to 4/1958
L, 85,001-87,000, 4/1958 to 2/1961
Contax IIIa, mechanical sync
Letter, Serial Number, Production dates
T, 35,001-40,000, 3/1951 to 7/1952
V, 20,001-25,000, 7/1952 to 10/1952
Y, 52,001-57,000, 11/1952 to 3/1953
A, 53,001-63,000, 4/1953 to 10/1953
Contax IIIa, PC sync
Letter, Serial Number, Production dates
B, 95,001-100,000, 11/1953 to 9/1954
C, 1-5,000, 10/1954 to 2/1955
D, 76,001-86,000, 3/1955 to 1/1956
F, 25,001-30,000, 2/1956 to 8/1956
L, 75,001-85,000, 7/1956 to 7/1961
O, 86,001-91,000, 11/1956 to 7/1957
Q, 1 to 25, 1960
R, 34.001-38,000, 2/1961 to 8/1962
Ulrich
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Stephan Van den Zegel
stephanvdz
Belgium
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Posted - Jan 02 2009 : 5:55:59 PM
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thanks... very useful listing
about your wonderful IIIa, the price tag is worthless ;-) but with the camera it's incredible value ;-)
do you have the box ?
Stephan |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
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Posted - Jan 11 2009 : 1:42:37 PM
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Hello Stephan,
no, the box is missing. I have asked the seller if she has it but she said no, that were all items she has had.
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 20 2009 : 07:44:19 AM
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Thanks for that very useful listing, Ulrich.
On comparing with some sales, I wonder if the L 85000-87000 for the IIa, PC sync, wouldn't be a "S" for the same range?
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
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Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 5:13:11 PM
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Well, sorry for posting off topic again, but I have to show you the third really lovely babe that I got here :-)
It seems to be unbelieveable, but this is a prewar Contax III from 1937/38 that looks as it was from the factory. It it still amazing that such items exist after more that 70 years in this state. No Zeiss bumps on the leather, working meter, only a few visbile marks on the black paint.
Look at the shiny chrome, I LOVE it :-)
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Mar 22 2009 : 5:19:35 PM
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Jacques,
maybe the list is not complete. As I know the IIa was not built in the same range as the IIIa, they built the IIIa a few years longer.
Ulrich
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A lovely babe ...
