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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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 Posted - May 21 2010 : 3:28:22 PM
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Today a nice Kiev 4 arrived here. I wondered a bit, it has the KIIV mask but lens and camera are made in 1962. How could this be? I don't think that is it original, someony maybe has transferred a KIIV mask to that Kiev 4. But why?
Ulrich
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - May 21 2010 : 4:38:06 PM
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Ulrich,
could you upload some photos?
Regards, Alexander |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - May 22 2010 : 07:57:42 AM
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Hi Alexander,
here are two pictures of it after cleaning:
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 12 2010 : 12:21:17 PM
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Does nobody has an idea why this camera is from 1962? Well, I have read in Wikipedia about the USSR and found on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union this:
"The union was founded in December 1922, when the Russian SFSR, which formed during the Russian Revolution of 1917 and emerged victorious in the ensuing Russian Civil War, unified with the Transcaucasian, Ukrainian and Belorussian SSRs."
So maybe it could be that this is a version of 40 years founding of the USSR? What do you think about this?
Ulrich
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - Jun 12 2010 : 3:10:46 PM
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Hello Ulrich,
it is a very interesting idea, but I dont think that it is really so. Ukraine was never ardent unifying the USSR. There were produced some Kiiv-cameras in 1958, they were dedicated to the 10th anniversary of starting the production of Kiev-cameras. May be it was some rest bodies from 1958 with new accessory shoe from 1962?
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 12 2010 : 3:53:06 PM
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Alexander,
I don't think that they are dedicated to the 10 anniversary of the production of the Kiev. First, the Kiev production started in 1947 but the known KIIV cameras are from 1958 and one known is from 1959. Second at least two boxes exist (one I own, one as I remember Bill owns) where a 40 years anniversary is printed on, see the KIIV entry in the Wiki catalogue here or the pictures of the box on my site: http://fotos.cconin.de/kameras/kiev3.htm#kiiv3
Maybe the 62 KIIV is a left over one, but for me it sounds not real that they have found some KIIV masks after 3 to 4 years and put tham on existing cameras. So it's a mystery :-)
Ulrich
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Bill Parkinson
nightphoto
USA
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Posted - Jun 12 2010 : 11:51:05 PM
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Hello Ulrich,
Seems to me that it may be that a 1962 camera received a dent in the front plate and so it was replaced with a 1958 "KIIV" front plate that the repairman had from a camera that was being used for parts. Probably at that time, in Ukraine, these cameras may not have been considered as special as wee think of them today.
Regards, Bill
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 13 2010 : 02:42:43 AM
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Bill,
yes that was a reason I also thought of. The camera was repaired by somebody. So the owner has get the KIIV plate by fluke or as you say there were many more of the KIIV built those days. But then I wonder why we see them so seldom today, normal KIEVs of that time are made very often.
What we need in our group is a former craftman or engeneer from Arsenal who has more information about the KIIVs :-)
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 13 2010 : 1:38:58 PM
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Hello,
I have it now on eBay (I have cancelled the auction... I think, I keep it in my collection  , but the others are already there) with a lot of other cameras that are duplicates in my collection. Just take a look if you are interested:
http://shop.ebay.de/witte.u/m.html
Ulrich
GOOOOAAAAAAAL for Germany :-) just as I wrote this.
Wow, 4:0, that was a great first match.
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Edited by - uwittehh on Jun 13 2010 3:26:16 PM |
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Paul Sokk
Paul Sokk
Australia
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Posted - Jun 13 2010 : 10:03:07 PM
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ouch! |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jun 14 2010 : 3:19:07 PM
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Paul,
I'm sorry  It was a great match, I was surprised of the german play and the australians were very good too. The red card was not fair of the referee.
And I really HATE the vuvuzelas... the only sound you can hear is this awful sound 
Ulrich
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Paul Sokk
Paul Sokk
Australia
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Posted - Jun 14 2010 : 7:11:41 PM
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Ulrich,
Germany played like the talented and professional team that they are  . Last time Australia made it through its round and then went close to upsetting the eventual winners Italy. There were some that argued that Australia must be the second best team in the world . This time, we are all supporting Germany now - if you win, some will argue that we still must be the second best team in the world (4-0 ).
Ah well, we have learnt from the Americans. We are world champions at Austalian Rules football  (and not too shabby at Rugby League either although everyone else that plays Rugby seems to prefer Union which we don't talk about anymore).
Appologies for this OT meandering post to the non-footballing forum members and those from countries with third best teams or worse  .
Regards,
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KIIV 4 from 1962?
