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Turist

Created by Luiz Paracampo on 12/19/2007 6:13:46 PM
Last Edited by Vlad on 5/23/2013 9:19:29 AM   		Located in
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - May 22 2013 :  6:46:07 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
The first amateur movie camera dates from 1957 and wasmade by Gomz/LOMO
Please Vlad change correct the entry on it.
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LP

Vladislav Kern
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Posted - May 23 2013 :  12:04:07 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks Luiz for correction, I've modified it. Feel free to modify any entry as you see fit, just click "Edit this entry" on the wiki entry view.

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Vlad.
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David Tomlinson
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Posted - May 23 2013 :  08:05:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Luiz,

I am not sure that any of the Tourist 2x8 movie cameras were manufactured by GOMZ/LOMO. I have two Tourist movie cameras and also the instruction book and all of them are marked MOSKOVSKIY PATEFONNIY ZAVOD. (I tried typing this in in Cyrillic, but the characters do not show correctly on the preview). The instruction book/passport is dated 1961. Perhaps they were made by GOMZ/LOMO after that date. Do you have a Tourist movie camera that shows the GOMZ/LOMO logo?

David.
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - May 23 2013 :  09:18:13 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Actually David you're absolutely right it is manufactured by MPZ between 1957 and 1962, a copy of a similar camera by Meopta. It is definitely not GOMZ/LOMO.. I'll update the entry again.

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Vlad
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okynek
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Posted - May 24 2013 :  3:12:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not to fast Vlad :)
Production of Turist movie cameras probably was developed (to be correct - copied from Meopta) and started by GOMZ, with intend to transfer manufacture to Moscow Patefhone Company(MPZ) after initial batch. Kind like story with Pioner and FED.
As I understand MPZ was not to enthusiastic to produce movie cameras and drop production as soon as it was able to. In they defense demands in turn-tables was greater then in movie cameras at that time. Turist, as I know had problems to move film with constant speed, what may be entertaining to watch on the screen, but do not add to the quality of the camera. So on the end it make sense to let photo companies make movie gear, and Patephone companies make turn tables.
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - May 24 2013 :  11:54:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Okynek... well, I found this forum discussion critiquing our own wiki entry before I changed the factory name.. http://kinofototeh.ucoz.ru/forum/13-122-1

Also no mention of GOMZ here: http://www.rus-camera.ru/Turist_kino.htm

Where is the information about GOMZ coming from if you don't mind me asking?

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Vlad.
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - May 25 2013 :  12:07:01 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Also this seems to be an important source:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2552013_4323353.jpg
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okynek
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Posted - Jun 03 2013 :  11:37:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry I missed this post.
Vlad my information came from the http://www.novacon.com.br/odditycameras/optikotechna.htm
Unfortunately this info claimed by http://kinofototeh.ucoz.ru/forum/13-122-1 as incorrect.
The problem that authors of the above forum themself saying that they do not have full and reliable information about production of the movie cameras in the USSR, and they admit that history of movie cameras in Russia has to many gaps, see http://kinofototeh.ucoz.ru/forum/2-29-1.
I also consider that production of the cameras is much more complex than just build mechanical body. It unlikely that Patephone Company has expertize to do this on they own. So they logically would seek help from experts. The best expert in Soviet Union at that time GOMZ/LOMO.
IMHO GOMZ made the Turist project and then, probably dump it on MPZ. I do not have any documents to support this, this is only my opinion.
You did right think by changing Wiki until new information will be discovered. But I wouldn't close this question completely, not just yet.
On other hand we now have 2 entries for same camera in Wiki:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=63&ParentID=58&ContentID=1058&Item=Turist+2x8
and
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?ParentID=58&WikiCatID=63&ContentID=530
So it would be logically to combine them to one.
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Jun 03 2013 :  11:55:12 AM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There is a confict of information.
What is stated on
http://www.novacon.com.br/odditycameras/optikotechna.htm
was taken from the Meopta old site which no more exists after updating.
I believe that the camera was sent in CKD for assembling in Russia.
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Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Jun 03 2013 :  11:58:10 AM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
According to Princelle the information of MOSKOVSKIY PATEFONNIY ZAVOD. is correct.
LP
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