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               BERRY alain mermoz37 
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                       Posted - Dec 16 2007 :  1:48:15 PM
                        
                        
                      
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                       hi all friends , does anyone know if never exist a black Jupiter 11 for Kiev (kiev II, II, IV etc...) ? | 
                     
                   
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			               Aidas Pikiotas                 AidasCams 
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                       Posted - Dec 17 2007 :  05:42:33 AM
                        
                        
                        
                      
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                      |  I have never met the black J-11 personally ... | 
                     
                    
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               BERRY alain                 mermoz37 
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                       Posted - Dec 17 2007 :  07:47:38 AM
                        
                        
                      
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                      |  i have one, but only in 39mm screw for zorki/fed. | 
                     
                    
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               Ernesto L´Episcopo                 ernestojl 
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                       Posted - Dec 17 2007 :  08:05:21 AM
                        
                        
                        
                      
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                       AFAIK, it never existed. The only 135 mm f4 in black (partially) were some early Sonnars made for the Contax I in brass body, instead of polished aluminum (Jupiters). Since introduction of the Contax II in 1936, Zeiss made only chrome or nickel on brass lenses for those cameras. Arsenal adopted this last style but cheaper and lighter.
  Ernesto
  Kiev ´62 & ´66 Z1 ´55 & Z4 ´65 Some Jupiters too...
 
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                               okynek 
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                       Posted - Dec 17 2007 :  10:41:21 AM
                        
                        
                      
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                       As I know for Kiev 2, 3, 4 only "white" J11 was built. Black J11 may exist to fit Kiev 5 prototype. It was used for camera initial demonstration/approval/exhibition. But this is not confirmed. As I know no true-black J11 for Kiev RF was found so far.  As well as not found and most likely not exist, "white" J11 for Kiev 10,15,17,19,20.  But just bacause Alain the one who ask this question he may be on something   and I may be wrong. | 
                     
                    
                       Edited by - okynek on Dec 17 2007  10:42:23 AM | 
                     
                    
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               BERRY alain                 mermoz37 
                France 
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                       Posted - Dec 18 2007 :  04:33:37 AM
                        
                        
                      
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                       no...i am not on something ...i just try to make a complete black lenses set for Kiev as i did whith zorki...  | 
                     
                    
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