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okynek
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 Posted - Feb 15 2008 : 11:22:55 PM
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I found this lens on Fed 594221. Lens in such good condition that I have douts that it original. And it coated! Can it be true for such low s/n?
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zhang
Kievuser
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 12:14:31 AM
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| I think it is a post-war I-10 with new apeture marks. I have a pre-war uncoated I-10, and the only number I found is 428.:-) |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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My Collection
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 12:17:00 AM
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Also aren't older lenses have the serial # on the inside though?
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zhang
Kievuser
310 Posts |
Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 05:14:31 AM
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Yes, I think so. All my pre war I-10 has numbers on the back.
Does anyone have an early I-10 so that I can compare with mine? I am not sure if it is one of the earliest I-10s.I also have another one with s/n 7480.
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Originally posted by Vlad
Also aren't older lenses have the serial # on the inside though?
Vlad
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Yuri Boguslavsky
fedka
USA
240 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 07:04:13 AM
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| I am missing something? The FED is 594221, this is a relatively late FED 1g, 1955, at that time all FED lenses were coated. The number on the front is OK, though its number is quite low for 1955. Also, it is mounted with infinity lock at 10pm position. This is probably not original lens, but close enough, some 2-3 years older that the body. |
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Yuri Boguslavsky
fedka
USA
240 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 08:08:30 AM
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When they moved serial numbers on the front, which happened sometime in the early 1950's (1952?), the numbers did not follow, maybe they even started them over. But the lens in questions, posted by Okunek, was made between 1952 and 1954, give or take.
I noticed that prewar I-10 numbers somehow followed the bodies, but after the war the numbers are harder to understand. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 08:52:38 AM
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Hello,
I totally agree with Yuri.
For post war Fed 3,5/50 lenses, there were several modifications which seem to appear more or less in that order:
-engraving 50 M/M changed to 50 M M,
-diaphragm from 3,5, 4,5... to 3,5, 4, 5,6...
-at the same time (?), front lens was coated,
-lens serial number engraved in front of the lens,
-new infinity lock.
All that can be discussed as lenses can easily go from a body to another... I noticed that early exported Fed 1f (around 230000) often have coated lenses contrarily to those of FSU sellers.
As for prewar lenses, their # often follows the body #, with an increasing difference up to the eBerdsks. Only often: I have pre war bodies with lenses which seem only have batches numbers...
My guess is that several factories produced lenses for pre war Fed 1. Impossible to prove, of course.
A never ending work!
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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James McGee
James McGee
Azerbaijan
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 09:44:32 AM
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Hello All,
Perhaps I am also missing something here. The angle is not good, but from what I can see in the photo the lens mount on the camera seems to be covering the central screw on the top plate. If so, then as we all know this camera must have a much lower Serial # than 594221.
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 10:07:37 AM
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The central screw is not covered, as far as I can see...
The angle is chosen to show the lens, for sure.
Jacques. |
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zhang
Kievuser
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 10:07:47 AM
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| A Fed-1 with a s/n 594221 is a post-war camera, so the lens is a correct one IMO. I have a post-war I-10 that still has the number on the back.(5364)And another one has a 085446 on the front, and another number 4293 at the back. I guess the small numbers are batch numbers, and there are some lenses with no s/n at all. What do you think? |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 10:35:33 AM
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Hello,
You are right to say that the low number should be the batch number. And I have lenses without # at all too...
That question of 3,5/50 Fed lenses is an horrible mess. I tried to clear that a while ago, without success. And some sellers unscrew the rear part of a lens to put it on another one, in order to have a better looking (and lower!) serial number matching a camera...
Several serial numbering method certainly coexisted for this lens which was produced at about 1 Mn items, if we include the 2 type a:
-individual # (prewar, and poswar for some),
-individual and batch numbers,
-batch numbers only,
-nothing at all...
hence my idea of several factories.
If somebody has a special knowledge in this matter, I should be happy to learn from him.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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James McGee
James McGee
Azerbaijan
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Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 10:38:02 AM
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Jacques,
You are right,I stand corrected. At first glance it seemed to me that the screw was obscured.
Now I'm itchng to get home to England to check the lenses on my Fed 1's. We surely must be able to see some logical pattern or sense to these serial numbers if we pool our information, then again perhaps not, but I think we must at least try!!!
Regards, Jim
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okynek
759 Posts |
Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 9:04:05 PM
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Thank you very much for such valuable information.
I made more pictures as requested.
The Fed I think is G type so it late modification, but lens has old aperture ring. So it is probably not original for this camera. I was exited because I was thinking it may be from earlier production. But now I see it post war lens. |
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okynek
759 Posts |
Posted - Feb 16 2008 : 9:28:58 PM
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| Also may be this Lens is Industar 22? It can explain low serial number in 50x |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Feb 17 2008 : 02:54:01 AM
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Hello Okynek!
The 3,5/50 Fed (written Fed on the front) is said to be an Industar 10.
As for the Industar 22 (especially made for the Zorky 1) it's written on the front too. Not a problem to make the difference.
Yours could be a 1952-54 Fed lens. It's difficult to be more precise. I think too it is probably older than the body.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Feb 17 2008 : 03:33:21 AM
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Hi Okynek!
Some good news: your lens should match the body!
I found in my papers that the body # 617426, lens # 028903 was made in june 1955 (Certificated by passport).
Your camera should have been made a short while before and if I am right, the lens is original by its #.
The new infinity lock came after (after Fricke's works).
Amitiés. Jacques. |
Edited by - Jacques M. on Feb 17 2008 4:15:09 PM |
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okynek
759 Posts |
Posted - Feb 18 2008 : 1:59:30 PM
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Thank you!!!!! I happy that lens is original!
It making this camera complete! It really good user camera too!  |
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