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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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 Posted - Feb 26 2025 : 12:59:19 PM
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Originally posted by Jacques M.
Today, an early Kiev 4, top withouit ridges.
Congratulations Jacques! My Kiev 4 s/n is 57199 
Regards, Alexander |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 26 2025 : 2:52:23 PM
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Thanks, Alexander and Andreas!
I just begin with these post-1955 Kievs: not always as simple as it seems...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
Edited by - Jacques M. on Feb 26 2025 2:55:43 PM |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
859 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Feb 26 2025 : 4:03:37 PM
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Alexander,
nice. Mine has serial number 57203 :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Jacques M.
France
2639 Posts |
Posted - Feb 27 2025 : 01:44:21 AM
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Fine!
I add all that in the wiki. Perhaps it would be interesting to open a thread about the different versions of the Kiev 4, including the prototypes?
Still concerning the Kiev 4, if you had some light to answer my thread about the 1968 ones without logo on the clip?
Amitiés. Jacques. |
Edited by - Jacques M. on Feb 27 2025 02:13:02 AM |
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Andreas
treehorn
Germany
19 Posts |
Posted - Feb 28 2025 : 07:58:43 AM
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There were some minor variations within the engravings on the Kiev. These engravings do not technically change the camera, so I would not call it a new type, but rather a variant. So for me, the ‘no-name’ is also just a normal Kiev 4a without engraving.
I would assume the following practice at arsenal for engraving the accessory shoe:
Until approx. 1958: Either just the serial number or (for export cameras) ‘Изготовлено в СССР / MADE IN USSR’ plus serial number. Kiev III models have also a ‘A’ or ‘Б’engraved.
From approx. 1958: ‘Сделано в СССР’ plus serial number
From around 1972/73 (?): The Arsenal logo appears in the viewfinder shoe
From 1980: The Kiev 4m/4am models only have the Arsenal logo and serial number engraved (a hot shoe contact was included, so there is less space). There is a small plate glued to the back of camera with the label ‘Изготовлено в ССССР’. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
599 Posts |
Posted - Mar 09 2025 : 04:51:16 AM
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Originally posted by treehorn
There were some minor variations within the engravings on the Kiev. These engravings do not technically change the camera, so I would not call it a new type, but rather a variant. So for me, the ‘no-name’ is also just a normal Kiev 4a without engraving.
Hi Andreas,
Kiev "no-name" is wether type nor variant. It was simply an export camera without engraving not to violate Contax rights.
If you need more information you can write me directly in German
Regards, Alexander |
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just arrived in my collection
