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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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 Posted - Oct 02 2013 : 11:09:06 AM
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This is an absoultely incredible article/series of posts - if you read Russian it's a MUST READ, if you don't - still run it through google translator and it's well worth your time! Thanks to Alexey Nikitin for the link!
http://rangefinder.ru/club/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15284
Cheersm
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Oct 02 2013 : 1:35:24 PM
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Thanks, Vlad and Alexey!
All that is a good reason to collect Kievs AND Contaxes AND Jena Contaxes.
But the lack of precision of the French tranlation is boring...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
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Posted - Oct 02 2013 : 5:52:21 PM
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Thank you guys.
Very interesting information. Many articles about Kiev/Contax from Photo Deal I have already read in German, but some information was new for me.
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Originally posted by Jacques M.
But the lack of precision of the French tranlation is boring...
Jacques, you can try to translate from German to French, may be you have more luck
Regards, Alexander |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Oct 03 2013 : 11:09:01 AM
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Hi Jacques, you may have better luck with Russian to English translation.
Cheers,
Vlad. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Oct 03 2013 : 4:46:06 PM
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Thanks Jacques!
Here's a very important piece of information from that thread. (corrected google translate version)
DRESDEN: Dismantling machines for lens coating under vacuum was carried out most carefully. All parts have been described and Numbered , packed in boxes and transported by truck to a small airport in Dresden to be sent to Leningad there to be established in the laboratory. However , the landing was complicated and that the goods have been completely destroyed. The other machines and all spare parts were so carefully packed as possible , and shipped by rail to Russia . However , most of the boxes was broken into during transport cargo across Poland . One of the German war prisoners who participated in the unloading of railcars , said then that what was not stolen, was severely spoiled by weather.
Official Russian reports , as well as stories of prisoners of war returning to Germany , indicate that the loss of equipment from Dresden were so large that the idea of creating a duplicate of the company, the Dresden company Kontaks in Kiev has been abandoned. The result of careful disassembly of Zeiss Ikon enterprise for Russians was a terrible and senseless loss . In the post-war chaos , production plants in Germany were empty , while the 980 precious precision machines, assembly conveyors and their parts have disappeared during transit or have been spoiled by the weather. Really unusual postscript to World War II !
This detailed description and other written information confirmed that the Contax cameras were not made after the war at a factory in Dresden. In the early 1940s, Zeiss Ikon promised that when hard times will pass , they again resume production of Contax. However , despite the fact that the factories Zeiss Ikon were only partially destroyed , the resumption of production of Contax in peacetime still remains an illusion. |
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Oct 04 2013 : 03:21:08 AM
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Yes.
That confirms why the Jena production lines were ordered in urgency by the Soviet authorities. And why there is only a small number of Kievs mainly made of Dresden parts (the 1947 "Dresden" Kievs).
We knew about the trains, but not concerning the plane...
Thanks, Vlad. Jacques. |
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S.H.
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Oct 04 2013 : 07:09:42 AM
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Hi S.H.!
Ulrich's links (the "conkies")do work, I have just tried them.
I have too a paper version, if you have problems to get them. But always in German!
Jacques. |
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S.H.
France
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Posted - Oct 04 2013 : 12:22:02 PM
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xya
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Posted - Oct 04 2013 : 4:27:53 PM
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| as I'm german I could easily translate the documents. but it would be slow, I don't have too much time at this moment. if there are any other germans to join, it would be easier. we could share the task. so I'll wait until monday 7th to see. if there's nobody else, I'll start with no. 1. |
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xya
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Posted - Oct 05 2013 : 03:53:48 AM
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| I managed to extract the text from the documents via OCR. there are quite some misreadings, but with a little bit of work we will have plain german text. this will make translation much easier. |
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Oct 05 2013 : 05:45:01 AM
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That would be marvelous. Thanks, xya...
Jacques. |
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - Oct 05 2013 : 06:27:27 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by xya
as I'm german I could easily translate the documents. but it would be slow, I don't have too much time at this moment. if there are any other germans to join, it would be easier. we could share the task. so I'll wait until monday 7th to see. if there's nobody else, I'll start with no. 1.
xya,
if you need any assistance in translation, I can join you, but I think it would be better, if you can post here the OCR layers, so everyone could translate it for himself with Google-translate.
Regards, Alexander |
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Jacques M.
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xya
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Posted - Oct 05 2013 : 12:18:07 PM
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Originally posted by AlexanderK
xya,
if you need any assistance in translation, I can join you, but I think it would be better, if you can post here the OCR layers, so everyone could translate it for himself with Google-translate.
Regards, Alexander
that's a good idea and would save me a lot of work. so let's have a try. this is the plain text of the first page in german:
[link deleted, new link available]
try it and if it's fine for you all I could do the rest within a few days. so please let me know via comments.
edit: thanks to vlad all the files are now uploaded to this site. the first file without number is the complete text. the others are numbered according to pdf pages further above. hope it helps.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=35&ParentID=4&ContentID=1586&Item=Zeiss+WWII+History+%28German%29 |
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Oct 06 2013 : 11:07:01 AM
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It works perfectly.
The best is to copy the URL in the google translator, then to put the result on Word to have a readable text.
The final result is better in English, natürlich!
Thanks, xya!
Jacques. |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Oct 08 2013 : 09:40:36 AM
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Thanks, Vlad and xya!
Vlad, it could be fine to put in the wiki the original texts in German too, because of the photos. If you could...
I have others interesting texts, always by Bernd K. Otto, that Ulrich had sent to me. I try to find them. Certainly it would be most interesting to have them in the wiki too...
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Oct 08 2013 : 6:48:49 PM
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Hi Jacques, since we're using English in all our entries, I've pasted auto-translated text into a wiki, we'll keep the German version attached as files.
Cheers,
Vlad. |
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Oct 29 2013 : 11:22:06 AM
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Dear Kiev and other soviet cameras enthusiasts from http://www.ussrphoto.com.
I regret that you are unable to follow my thread on http://rangefinder.ru/ due to the language barrier. My main idea was to bring together some pieces of information scattered through (mostly German) literature and present them to the Russian-speaking auditorium. My target is to clarify some strange facts and inconsistencies about the start of Kiev camera production. I am very appreciated to German authors who spend hours searching the Jena archives. Without their work the information that is available in this thread would be based mostly on rumors. In the future I will try to access the Kyiv Arsenal's archive (if it is possible and if it is still exists). I've planned also to use some information from your resource if you don't mind. Actually, today I bought Kiev 3 #52472 (without A prefix) and referred to your site to get some insight into the differences in finish with other Kievs of this period. I was pleased to discover that you discuss this thread.
The German colleagues who is interested to read the translated here material in German would be able to contact me soon on your site and I would send the scanned pages from the books in pdf form. I hope you will not be against my translation into Russian of the Bernd Otto article that was posted by Jacques M.?
with best regards, altix |
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Oct 29 2013 : 11:53:48 AM
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Hi Altix!
It's really a great pleasure!
Thanks for all the information you gave us through rangefinder.ru. Sometimes difficult to read, I must say, as a non-Russian (and non_German!) speaker...
We are several here to collect Contax and Contax/Jena. And many to have early Kievs. So, if you have a question or another about these cameras, please don't hesitate.
Vlad will answer your question about the possibility to use information coming from our site. But I really, I don't see any problem.
Thanks for your work again.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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xya
France
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Posted - Oct 29 2013 : 1:25:32 PM
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Originally posted by altix...The German colleagues who is interested to read the translated here material in German would be able to contact me soon on your site and I would send the scanned pages from the books in pdf form. I hope you will not be against my translation into Russian of the Bernd Otto article that was posted by Jacques M.?
with best regards, altix
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Oct 29 2013 : 6:07:58 PM
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Dear Jacques M. and xya
I will prepare all my material about Contax Jena and Kiev that I have at the moment (mostly all in German) and share it in some way with people from this site. You definitely know some sources so I would omit them. I will soon finish the thread on the Russian site. Hope that there is still possibility to work with Arsenal's archive. Hope that people there would understand why this work is important.
For me Kievs were always very special cameras (since in my family we had one) and by no means obsolete. They are great cameras for using and interesting objects for collecting.
I was asked the question if I could say something about the history of Moskva camera. Unfortunately, I do not have much information. I think without the use of Archives in Krasnogorsk there is almost no chance to find something new. I would still recommend to look at the book Herbert Blumtritt, Die Geschichte der Dresdner Fotoindustrie, Lindemanns 2000. I do not have this book but it appears that there is a good description of Zeiss Ikon factory dismantle. This book could give some hints about the destiny of Super Ikonta parts for Moskva.
One idea that I got today about Kiev 3 (finally I got one from 1952). The knob for exposure settings that bears DIN inscription comes definitelly from Dresden. In Jena they tried to assemble several Contax III but they did not have any contact with the manufacturer of the selen cells. They probably used some spare parts from Dresden but did not succeed to put Contax III in the production line. Probably this idea is already known to you.
With best regards
altix
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Oct 31 2013 : 1:04:06 PM
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Hello Altix,
it's a great pleasure to see you here, I was absolutely floored by the thread on rangefinder.ru, you did some amazing research, bravo! Regarding usage of content from this site, it's completely fine, it would be great though you could reference the original authors but other than that we are a community site so all content can be used freely.
Best regards,
Vlad. |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Oct 31 2013 : 1:06:35 PM
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| By the way Altix, I have to compliment you on your English, I think it's much better than mine and I lived half my life in United States |
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altix
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Posted - Oct 31 2013 : 2:17:41 PM
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Oh, thank you, Vladislav
My English is not so good. I need to get accustomed to the peculiar feature on your site that I cannot correct my mistakes  Need to be more careful. Sometimes I construct the sentences in a Russian- or German-like style. You have here tonnes of useful information that I started to read more systematically. Now I know more about the early Kievs and how one can distinguish Jena Contax from the Dresden one.
I promise that I would cite your site properly with reference to a particular member if I would use some citation or photo.
If you don't mind, I could duplicate here some information (translated into my awful English) that i think would be interesting to the other members. In particular I could translate some documents presented in Russian or German or some key phrases from documents. Just few things that I consider worth to be mentioned here.
I will start to scan German books and share them with xya. There are all references on Jena archive that I omitted on the rangefinder.ru site.
And I very appreciate what you are doing here, guys! |
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Oct 31 2013 : 4:48:14 PM
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http://www.zeisscamera.com/doc_instructions1948.shtml
I was aware of this strange instruction book for Jena Contax. Just today I have read it through and found some interesting thing (probably it is obvious for Jena Contax experts). Look at this page:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/31102013_ib30.jpg
It is quite clear that the other font represents the modifications made in 1948 to update the Dresden Contax instruction. What I find interesting are two marked sentences. Indeed, the constructors in Jena tried to produce the trial tree parts day-light loading spools on the available equipment. They made one or two but it was too expensive. (you can reed it in Kuc's book) That the reason why this phrase appeared.
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xya
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Posted - Nov 03 2013 : 2:49:48 PM
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hello all,
altix scanned the pages and sent them to me. many thanks to him. altogether it's more than 400 pages. so please be patient I'll try to do my best. the first part should be ready within 10 days.
kind regards |
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Nov 04 2013 : 5:00:41 PM
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That is not the whole information I have in German. I scanned and sent to xya the whole book concerning the history of Zeiss Oberkochen. There are just few chapters relevant to our discussion. I thought that xya can enjoy reading the whole book some day. But it is not worth to translate everything from there.
I want to share with you one postcard that I got recently from ebay auction. It is a letter written by Walter Erdering (if I correctly recognized the name) and sent from Jena to Potsdam. It is dated by 17.11.1946 so a few days before the dismantle of Jena factory. The 100. anniversary of Carl Zeiss remained only on the stamps of such letters. Nobody would celebrate it in Jena officially that day.
I think that in order to hide the content from Russian censor this letter was written with such terrible script. I am sorry for my translation. Hope that native speakers will correct me and probably decipher the last sentence in the message.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/4112013_111.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/4112013_222.jpg
Liebe Eltern!
Heute zum Feierabend (es ist 18:00)
finde ich schnell einige Minuten
Zeit Euch ein paar Zeilen zu schreiben.
Bei uns ist, wie fuer je wißt Hoch-
betrieb (wahrscheinlich wegen der 100 Jahr-
Feier?) Habe furchtbar viel zu tun. Motor-
rad habe ich nicht mehr. Es ist mir
( unklar??) geworden, hat dem (Physiker ??)
??????
Brief folgt.
Herzl. Grueße Euer -- Walter
Dear parents!
Today in the evening (it is 18:00)
I was able to find hastily a few
minutes of time to write you a few lines.
It looks like we are in a rush-
hour (probably due to the 100 years
anniversary?) I have terribly many things to do.
I do not have the motorcycle any more. It is
(unclear?) for me, ????
The letter will follow
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Nov 05 2013 : 08:51:37 AM
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Hello,
I've received email from our dear friend and collector Dr. Milos Mladek from Vienna today, he was kind enough to correct the end of the postcard:
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"Motorrad hab ich nicht mehr. Es ist mir untreu geworden, hat den Besitzer gewechselt. Brief folgt"
"Do not have the motocycle any more. It has become unfaithful to me, has changed the owner. A letter will follow"
And between the lines I can almost read: "The motocycle has been stolen from me". Remember: November 1946.
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Cheers,
Vlad.
P.S. I am having some technical issues with images being uploaded to the forum, so bear with me I'll try to fix it as soon as possible.
Thanks,
Vlad.
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Nov 05 2013 : 11:29:22 AM
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Dear Vlad, thank you for your last post. I am very appreciated to Dr. Milos Mladek for his corrections. It is astonishing how he managed to recognize the script. Thank you!
I decided to translate a piece of the article about zeissians in Krasnogorsk. The original you can find here: http://www.krasnogorsk.info/inside/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4113
Red Hills: republic Bruski
...The school existed until 1946. In the documents of NKVD Department of war prisoners and internee (starting from 1946 - Department of the Interior, MVD), USSR, it is stated that the territory with 5 cottages is enclosed by fence and barbwire and is called "The object #40".
After the war the territory of "Object #40" remained uninhabited for a long time. But already in autumn 1946 the territory was settled by the German specialists with their families. They were workers and engineers from the factory Carl Zeiss Jena. 107 specialists came to support technically the factory #369 (Zavod #369). They and their families (altogether 297 people) were settled on the territory of "Object #40".
(to be continued)
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/5112013_3351478.jpg
For establishing the proper order on the Object #40
I order:
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The head of workshop #22, comrade Buhartsev V.F. (corrected to Dobronrav) should repair (i.e. should organize and supervise the repair -altix) the fence along the whole perimeter of the object and reequip the object entrance checkpoint to the special commandant’s office. The works should be finished until 20.VI.48.
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Comrade Sidorovich A.V. should establish the twenty-four-hour duty of commandant's office inspectors starting from 20.VI.48.
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The inspectors have to fill in the absence register of the foreign specialists and their family members.
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To deny the absence of the foreign specialists on the object with the duration more than 2 hours excluding the time of their appearance at work at the factory.
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The absence of foreign specialists and their family members with the duration more than 2 hours should be allowed only by showing the permit in written form signed by myself or by the employment department assistant director, comrade Kiryushin.
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Comrade Sidorovich should investigate each case of the breach of the established order and should report me or to the employment bureau assistant director, comrade Kiryushin, on every accident in order to take the appropriate measures.
Director of the factory #393
Ministry of armaments of USSR
Skaezhinsky
Order is dated by 5.0.1948.
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Nov 05 2013 : 12:03:50 PM
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Interesting!
Several authors insist on the fact that the German workers were treated better than their Russian colleagues. But no doubt: they were prisoners of war, with their family.
These texts are fascinating. Thanks, altix...
Jacques. |
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Nov 05 2013 : 12:25:23 PM
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Dear Jacques M.
According to the book "Carl Zeiss in Jena" vol. 3 the life of some zeissians was much better than the Russian specialists. The top German specialists got very good accommodations. Somebody lived even in small castle ("Schlosschen") built by some Russian aristocrat before revolution. Food supply was better than for many Russian citizens. Zeissians in Isjum (near Kyiv) were very pleased to have flats with central heating, warm toilets and hot water. Somebody wrote even to Jena that they would die from hunger in post-war Germany but they have good chance to survive in Soviet Union. Alas, they had to pay for all these advantages by obeying the strict rules and were restricted in their movement across the cities and suburbs. I think that was also good for the sake of their own safety.
Cheers
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Nov 06 2013 : 12:40:45 PM
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Red Hills: republic Bruski
One building of the former Central anti-fascists school for war prisoners complex (at that time it was the hous #59, today the hous #15 on Narodnogo opolchenia St.) was hended them over. There their children were studying and there took place the meetings of anti-fascist activists. The special object for German specialists existed until 1952 when Germans left Krasnogorsk town.
"The settlement near Brushaty, the metal lattice-fence, seedlings pricked off on the line, no one is allowed to pluck green pea,- recollects Galina Petrovna Tumanova.- Women wore trousers during summer and winter seasons that was astonishing for our citizens, they did not wear our valenki, used to slide on the ice chute and this pleased our children.
My mother used to work with the personal documents of war-prisoners and she used to say that people behind the fence are waiting with great impatience the moment when they would be allowed to return to their motherland. We sympathized them since we understood that there were somewhere our war prisoners as well who were waiting and longing to see their relatives. One of the war prisoners, the cook on the kitchen, I don't remember his name, used to call my mother as Valya. He was very pedantic and accurate and he cooked very good. The tailors among prisoners sewed also very good."
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/6112013_222222222.jpg
The family of German specialist Wilhelm Hoffmann (He died on 1 March 1950.)
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/6112013_1111111.jpg
The member of Russian rangefinder club, MiStar from Krasnogorsk, was very kind and allowed to share his photo of the building of the former Central anti-fascist school (now Museum of German anti-fascists).
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altix
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Nov 10 2013 : 02:13:46 AM
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http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/10112013_brus42.jpg
To the director of the factory #393 Top secret
To directors of factories and research institutions of the Ministry of Arming of the USSR.
According to the order of the Council of Ministers of the USSR # 13610-pc from 9/XII.46 and the order of the Ministry of Arming # 398 from 14/XII.46 the German specialists who are working in the USSR are allowed to send to Germany one parcel monthly weighting up to 8 kg.
In order to send the parcel the German specialists should enclose a certificate that verifies their entitlement to send this parcel. Since starting from 1/III 48 the custom-house would not let pass these parcels through the border without such certificate.
With the acquisition of this order I ask you to organize the issue of such certificates and to establish their exact registration.
I notify in advance that every German specialist is allowed to obtain only one certificate per month.
Attachment: an example of the certificate.
Assistant of Minister of Arming
of the USSR N. Karasev
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Nov 28 2013 : 05:43:49 AM
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Recently I tried to visit the Arsenal museum in Kiev. In the internet I found the information that on the Arsenal factory there is small but very interesting museum dedicated to the history of the factory. The visitors of this place were very happy to speak with very pleasant guide who actually collected all items in the museum. They said in their blog that everybody can visit this small and rather unknown to tourists museum.
Unfortunately, this information turned in my case to be rather controversal. I was not allowed even to trespass the door of the museum. On one hand the factory has now some inventory. But "the pleasant guide" said to me that I am not allowed to enter the territory of the factory and visit the museum since THE FACTORY IS SECRET and, following this logic, the museum is also secret.
Alas! The history of the factory and of Kiev camera is a top secret of Ukraine. I have no words and understanding why. This "guide" was
very rude and unpleasant to communicate with him. On my comment that I am interested in Kievs and the history of this camera he said that it is better to speak with the sellers of Kievs on Kyivs flea markets that sounded like "go away!" He also said that he does not know anything about Kievs but later he said that Kievs were 100 times better than Contaxes and if I look inside Kiev and compare with Contax I can see the huge difference in quality in favor of Kievs. He said that if Germans like to write about their Contaxes that is their own problem. No information should be known about Kievs since they were produced on the secret plant. He also slip of the tongue that German machines are still in the factory and some "foreigner with a bag full of money" could buy the whole workshop with German machines. But I got the impression that this guy pretended or was mentally ill so I would not believe anything what he said. He made all the time statements and with the next sentence he said something completely opposite.
Probably the factory is under a huge pressure of some private businessman who wants to get this territory for free. Something similar happened already with other factories like Zavod Bolshevik. Probably this hostile attitude towards visitors is connected with some processes connected with the elimination of the factory. I have no idea. But nevertheless, I will never ever come to this factory again. It's over my mind to understand the logic to be so secret and not to show even the museum exhibition. 
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Nov 28 2013 : 08:12:21 AM
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Sorry for you, Altix. And for us...
Really, I understand nothing about this attitude. Perhaps sll that has something to see with what arrives to Alex Komarov?
Jacques. |
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Nov 28 2013 : 08:53:26 AM
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Let see Jacques what would be next.
Ukraine is very strange country indeed. Some mix of capitalism with inhuman face with Soviet-style attitude and bureaucracy. Today it is very cold outside and almost the same temperature is inside our buildings. Some rumors told that this happened in order to show us what would we feel without Russian gas.
By the way, I visited also the Arsenal factory shop. I bought 3 new cases for Kiev 4a and Kiev 4am cameras! It is incredible. They have the particular smell that somebody could also feel many years ago buying Kievs in Soviet Union. Kind a time machine. And altogether it costed me 4 euros! The stamp means "Reduced in price"
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/28112013_13.jpg
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twiitar
Germany
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Posted - Dec 06 2013 : 08:22:16 AM
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I would like to thank all of you for your deeply informative posts on this subject.
My great grandfather worked for Carl Zeiss since 1900 and received a Jena Contax for his 50th anniversary. I'm now the 4th generation of my family to own it.
The Soviets originally wanted to take him as part of the reparations but he was too old to be taken and died 4 years after his 50th anniversary at age 68.
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xya
France
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Posted - Dec 06 2013 : 3:52:41 PM
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| just a quick hello. ocr and correcting the documents altix sent to me takes a lot more time than I thought and I had less time than I planned as well. but I'm still at it. the first bit will hopefully be ready next weekend. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Dec 09 2013 : 03:56:59 AM
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Merci, Reinhard, pour ton travail!
Good luck to you, xya. I think the actual evolution is a pity. I hope you will succeed. Of course, the forum is not the right place, but what happens in Ukraine interests me much: my wife is a Zochtchenko maid...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Dec 14 2013 : 12:30:02 PM
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I am very appreciated xya, Jacques and SteveA for your comments.
I collected the part of my thread on rangefinder.ru into some kind of a book. I am not sure that all authors of collected articles would be happy to see their materials to be translated and shown to public without any permission. I apologize for that. I tried to cite correctly all sources. Since I do not have any intentions to get any profit from the translation of these articles or even publish the book, I think there would be everything ok with the authors' rights. I think that the presentation of different facts under one roof is very good stuff for further references of every collector. My next intention would be to compile something similar in English. If xya would translate the part of German books we could cooperate to include this into one file. Xya, what do you think about this?
Here is the link to the file in Russian: https://disk.yandex.ua/public/?hash=FGGXnSemT7uDwAX6HYq/BOsUcZVYX6toL%2BWkmNHZSmM%3D&ncrnd=9692
If you do not understand Russian still you can have a look at the structure and leave the comment what do you think.
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xya
France
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Posted - Jan 05 2014 : 10:46:37 AM
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hi everybody,
finally I finished the first book. it was much more work than I thought. I just sent the textfile and the photos to vlad, to put it on this site. it's a very interesting book, you will love it.
I'll do the other book as well, but as it's 300 pages this will take some more time (several months). meanwhile please enjoy the first book. |
Edited by - xya on Jan 05 2014 10:47:32 AM |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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My Collection
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Ron Morse
Ron-M
USA
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Posted - Jan 18 2014 : 10:48:30 AM
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Very interesting reading. Thank you.
Ron |
Edited by - Ron-M on Jan 18 2014 10:49:07 AM |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 19 2014 : 09:11:44 AM
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Altix has given me this address again. This site contains the most part of the Zeiss Society's publications. Most interesting! Some of them concern the links between Contax and Kiev.
http://issuu.com/zeisshistoricasociety/docs
And many thanks to xya for all his work. Thanks to him too, things become more clear....
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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altix
Ukraine
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Jul 23 2014 : 11:44:03 AM
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Beautiful!
And for the first time, we can see a "genuine" Volga!
Now, we wait for your complete work. When you will have time...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4252 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Jul 23 2014 : 4:12:23 PM
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| Altix, this is amazing work!! I am very impressed with the quality of rendering and textures! |
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altix
Ukraine
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Posted - Jul 24 2014 : 2:07:01 PM
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Thank you Jacques and Vlad. This was a successful experiment and I enjoyed it :) Two bodies that I used as references with their normal lenses belong to me. The interchangeable optics was drawn from the numerous pictures of real lenses that belong to my friends. Jacques, KIEV filter is yours (but the color is wrong :)). Orion-15 of GOI design was adopted from the Westlicht picture (thank guys there for good quality reference pictures).
Looking back, the most difficult was to mimic the engravings. I did them by hand since was unable to reproduce them with all other methods I tried.
I put pictures in the gallery with minor comments http://3d-coat.com/forum/index.php?app=gallery&image=468
Here I duplicate the picture of 'genuine' Volga ;) (logo I took from the Zeiss blueprints)
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2472014_Volga.jpg
PS. And Jacques, I will continue my work further
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
2002 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Jul 27 2014 : 04:04:16 AM
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Altix
My hottest congratuations for the excellent work done!
Really a breathtaking work of art!!!
Regards
LP
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Kiev/Contax from the German point of view
