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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
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okynek
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 Posted - May 08 2008 : 12:52:37 PM
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Absolutely great! Thank you Aidas for time you invested to do this!
Do you think Zorki 3C should belong to this classification? |
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Frank Lambert
Frankl
USA
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Posted - May 08 2008 : 1:58:51 PM
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Aidas,
This is a GREAT reference, particularly since I am new to the FSU cameras. I just received a Zorki 4 today and, after referencing your information, I "think" I have a version 2D made in 1962. The lettering is Cyrillic, silk screened on front but the shutter speeds are engraved. Serial number is 63467873 and the lens is Jupiter 8, serial number 6352136. Hope I have identified this correctly and, if not, please correct me. Thanks again.
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Zoom
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Posted - May 08 2008 : 6:34:23 PM
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Originally posted by AidasCams
My new target was Zorki-4. Results below:
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?-198567533
Dear Aidas,
from your page: ("Type - 2c (1961)") -- "Very uncommon export version, under name "Çorki-4" in Roman characters (first letter is Cyrillic for sure)."
Sorry, this is mistake. First letter is the real hand-written calligraphic latin "Z"... |
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
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Posted - May 09 2008 : 01:43:17 AM
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Originally posted by okynek
Absolutely great! Thank you Aidas for time you invested to do this!
Do you think Zorki 3C should belong to this classification?
Okynek,
You are right - Zorki-3C is evolutional forerunner of entire Zorki-4 group. But indeed, I'm not sure, that particular camera should belong to this classification.
Best Regards,
Aidas
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
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Posted - May 09 2008 : 01:47:16 AM
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Originally posted by Frankl
Aidas,
This is a GREAT reference, particularly since I am new to the FSU cameras. I just received a Zorki 4 today and, after referencing your information, I "think" I have a version 2D made in 1962. The lettering is Cyrillic, silk screened on front but the shutter speeds are engraved. Serial number is 63467873 and the lens is Jupiter 8, serial number 6352136. Hope I have identified this correctly and, if not, please correct me. Thanks again.
Frank...
Frank,
Pleasure to see you in our Forums! Your camera should be the transitional version from 2d to 3a, while 2d version still have all markings engraved. Your information is very valuable for me - many thanks!
Best Regards,
Aidas |
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
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Posted - May 09 2008 : 01:54:08 AM
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Originally posted by Zoom
quote:
Originally posted by AidasCams
My new target was Zorki-4. Results below:
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?-198567533
Dear Aidas,
from your page: ("Type - 2c (1961)") -- "Very uncommon export version, under name "Çorki-4" in Roman characters (first letter is Cyrillic for sure)."
Sorry, this is mistake. First letter is the real hand-written calligraphic latin "Z"...
Zoom,
Your notices are always very appreciated - many thanks! Do you really think (or know for sure), that first letter is hand-written? I'm holdind type-2c camera in my very own hands recently and can't see any abnormalities in text writing ...
And may be you know the reason such odd-marked cameras were released for?
Best Regards,
Aidas |
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Frank Lambert
Frankl
USA
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Posted - May 09 2008 : 02:41:59 AM
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Aidas,
thank you for your insight, regarding my Zorki 4. It is facinating, how so many "transitional" phases the FSU cameras, in general, seemed to go through. Unlike the Japanese, German and US manufactures, the Russians didn't just "stop" building a certain model, they just let it "elvove" until it looked different enough and only then would they re-designate the model. In some model changes, from the FED 2 to the FED 3 for instance, this seemed even more unusual. I think of it a a "cosmetic overlap". I have a sample of a FED 2, that looks like a FED 3 (FED 2E as I understand it) and I have a FED 3 that looks more like a FED 2 (FED 3A again, a I understand it)..... Facinating.... Makes one wonder how many "variations" are out there that have not been discovered yet.....
Anyway, thanks again and thank you also for the welcome. I am learning a lot here and just want to be sure that what "I think I know" is accurate.
Best Regards,
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
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Posted - May 09 2008 : 1:39:56 PM
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Frank,
Indeed, I absolutely agree with you. The soviet cameras have so many variations, so this is good news for us - camera collectors ...  I pay my respect to Arsenal cameras, which had some standards and are stabilized in their design ...
Best Regards,
Aidas |
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okynek
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Posted - May 09 2008 : 3:39:34 PM
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I believe such collector's fortune laying deep in the structure of the Soviet economics.
Of cause I can only relate to personal experience, and cannot say for every plant and factory, but we had quarterly and monthly quotes on quantity of "Suggestions for Improvement" what we had to filed. They called "òÁÃ. ðÒÅÄÌÏÖÅÎÉÅ". If such suggestions were accepted, changes to design follow soon and such changes can be made virtually every month.
Another reasons for design change, as you can expect, was new equipment, and new machinery, and new materials, (or luck of them). On paper new equipment should arrive according to schedule, but in reality it was NEVER happens. So new equipment was accepted for use in production, as soon as it was ready for it. New equipment means slightly different design. More often then not New machinery was "on probation" and work together with Old ones, what can explain slight variations of the camera produced at the same time on the same place. I believe we call them transitional models. Also luck of necessary materials in some months force to improvise, substitute, and simplify. All this assures constant changes in design.
Many software companies,(specially Microsoft) take same approach today. Constant changes and improvement, and eventually roll over to new product.
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Bill Parkinson
nightphoto
USA
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Posted - May 09 2008 : 5:05:09 PM
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Dear Aidas,
Thanks for all the work and the great page on your site for the Zorki-4. Zoom is correct. This is the way we are taught to write a cursive capital "Z" here in the US. Looks like a "Z" to me, not a "C". I think he means in the style of a handwritten, cursive "Z", not that it is really handwritten on the camera. Anyway, I know that if I saw this camera with that writing and did not know it, I would say it was a "Zorki"!
Regards, Bill
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
2000 Posts
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Zoom
596 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2008 : 7:49:22 PM
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Originally posted by AidasCams
Do you really think (or know for sure), that first letter is hand-written?
I mean that on a stencil for engraving the hand-written font was used.
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Originally posted by nightphoto
I think he means in the style of a handwritten, cursive "Z", not that it is really handwritten on the camera.
Yes, right!
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Edited by - Zoom on May 09 2008 7:54:24 PM |
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 02:33:12 AM
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Luiz,
great idea - I like it a lot!
Bill, Zoom,
Thanks for explanation! I will change my information immediately ... Any more comments?
Best Regards,
Aidas |
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
2000 Posts
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 8:36:18 PM
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Aidas
Luiz,
great idea - I like it a lot!
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Many many thanks.
Luiz |
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Yuri Boguslavsky
fedka
USA
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Posted - Sep 20 2010 : 1:14:26 PM
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I recently came across a Zorki-4, a common type by appearance, with a serial number 09186079. The lens (not sure if original) was a common Jupiter-8 #60xxx.
Is this something very unusual or they exist? What year is this?
Should I now worry that I did not keep it?
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Sep 20 2010 : 2:31:46 PM
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Hello Yuri,
interesting. I also had a Zorki 4 with a number like yours. The number was 09185739, so quite near to yours. I also have sold the camera... and never have seen another one with such a number. Maybe it was not a good idea to sell it ;-)
Ulrich
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
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Posted - Sep 23 2010 : 03:06:29 AM
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Hi,
I have heard about version of Zorki-4 with another coding of serial numbers. but never was lucky to find one for my collection. I don't think it was a good idea to sell these 2 cameras, but it's up to you, guys ... .
Let me show you quite interesting "blind" version of Zorki-4 camera.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2392010_zorki-4_technical.jpg
Best Regards,
Aidas
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zhang
Kievuser
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Posted - Oct 01 2010 : 11:21:13 AM
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Hi Adidas,
I have a 1956 Zorki-4. The nob pattern is like ZOrki-3C, S/N is 5659968.
here is a image FYI.
Cheers,
Zhang
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dmzi
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Classification of Zorki-4 camera
