Kiev Arsenal Nomenclature

I'm a bit confused.. are Arsenal model numbers mix still and movie cameras? For example: There is a Kiev 15 then Kiev 16 (movie camera), then Kiev 17...

Are these in any order? Were the "in-between" camera model #s ever made? Like Kiev 6, 7, 8,9 or they just picked the #s at random?

Vlad.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Vlad</i>
<br />I'm a bit confused.. are Arsenal model numbers mix still and movie cameras? For example: There is a Kiev 15 then Kiev 16 (movie camera), then Kiev 17...
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Now you will be confused even more... ;) Surprise: Zavod Arsenal was never produce this movie cameras...

Dmitriy, right?

Thanks for chiming in! :)

Great! All right, now I definitely badly need a lesson in Soviet naming convention! :)

Vlad.

Zoom,
Which Zavod made the Kiev movie cameras?

I see in the Princelle book that the photo of the Kiev-165-2 (page 268) has the symbol of the arrow pointing up and two waves across it, in a circle. And also the lenses on these cine cameras seem to have LZOS symbols on them.

Regards, Bill

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Great! All right, now I definitely badly need a lesson in Soviet naming convention! :)
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The movie cameras 'Kiev' ('Alpha') were made by "Kievsky zavod avtomatiki imeni G.I. Petrovskogo" ('Kiev automation plant...').
Index "16" is from 16-mm film.

So what happened to Kiev 11, 12, 13 and 14? Were they in schematics stage at least or Arsenal was just randomly picking model numbers?

Vlad.

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I see in the Princelle book that the photo of the Kiev-165-2 (page 268) has the symbol of the arrow pointing up and two waves across it, in a circle.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

See http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-logos.html (tip: move the mouse pointer over a plant names, they are translated to English)

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And also the lenses on these cine cameras seem to have LZOS symbols on them.
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"Kievsky zavod avtomatiki" (KZA) didn't made lenses. So, others plants made optics were used.

Thank you Zoom!

Regards, Bill

Vlad,

There was a Kiev-11 prototype (page 217 Princelle) and I suspect that like many technology manufacturing companies, not every model is produced in series, and some may just be drawings, never even produced as a prototype. This is the probable answer with Kievs, although I'm just guessing.



Regards, Bill

See at http://www.novacon.com.br/h3adde01.htm the logo of Êèåâñêèé çàâîä àâòîìàòèêè èì. Ã.È. Ïåòðîâñêîãî (Kievsky zavod avtomatiki im. Petrovskogo)- no relationship with Arsenal zavod- It represents an arc and an arrow or a torpedo running over the sea waves. The following pages have lots of Logos of Soviet camera industy
LP

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<br />See at http://www.novacon.com.br/h3adde01.htm ...
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Sorry, but this is not a good source. At first, it is secondary.

And it contain some errors:

"Prisma de Dove usado ate 1950" --&gt; much earlier

Left logo from

http://www.novacon.com.br/h3adde01_arquivos/image008.jpg

is not KMZ logo. It is the Princelle's fantasy. (Looks like UOMZ old mark)

Picture

http://www.novacon.com.br/h3adde01_arquivos/image004.jpg

(from Alfred Camera page) -- two left logos has incorrect angles.

(Btw. many other pictures are from www.zenitcamera.com -- but there are nothing about sources)

Next:

http://www.novacon.com.br/h3adde01_arquivos/image057.jpg

is not a logo.

"Estatua equestre de Pedro O Grande" --&gt; correct: Bogdan Khmelnitsky

This logo:

http://www.novacon.com.br/h3adde01_arquivos/image129.jpg

is not MMZ logo, but ZOMZ.

"UFA Uralnii Fabrika Apparatov" -- Nope...

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<br />So what happened to Kiev 11, 12, 13 and 14? Were they in schematics stage at least or Arsenal was just randomly picking model numbers?

Vlad.
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Dear Vlad,

About model number 13.
I have been told that in Russia never made a model 13 any camera, as this is a kind of "holy number"
Same as the room number of a hotel.
best
Gerard

Honestly I've never heard of that Gerard... my impression was that "unlucky 13" was a western notion... [:)]

Vlad