Fed S and NKVD: consecutive numbers!

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Topic author: Jacques M.

Posted on: 20090624082309

Hello!
I have owned the S for several years.
But the simple NKVD is a recent discovery.
A miracle ?[:)]

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2462009_Consecutive Fed 002.jpg

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2462009_Consecutive Fed 002.jpg

Amitiés. Jacques.

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Reply author: Vlad

Replied on: 20090624084511

Hello Jacques!

Amazing!!!!! I never thought I'd see this day but it did happen!! Congratulations! Now we need to find the #67722 to see whether FED-S production was sustained in groups or was just randomly picked regular model and modified.

Vlad.

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20090624092013

Hi Vlad!

It can take several centuries to find the # 67722! [:D]
Anyway, these two cameras were certainly engraved with the same machine tool using the same regulatings: the second "7" is slightly upwards on both.
But the clip is no exactly the same. Perhaps made outside?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Kievuser

Replied on: 20090624112738

AMAZING!

Reply author: James McGee

Replied on: 20090626154412

Hi Jacques,
Congtratulations, truly astounding[:0]!!! I think that now we will all be looking through our Fed-1 cameras in the search for 67722, and 67725
Best wishes to all Jim.[:)]

Reply author: AidasCams

Replied on: 20090629034337

Hi Jacques,

it's fantastic, my best congratulations!!! It was my old dream to have a pair of cameras with consecutive numbers indeed [:)] You've made my dream into reality, BRAVO!

Best Regards,
Aidas

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20090629085005

Hi friends!

Thanks! [:I]

To be honest, I didn't really look for cameras with consecutive numbers: I thought it was impossible.
And when I saw this serial # 66724, I first thought it was not unknown to me. And after having checked my other NKVDs....

But it's only hazard: what are the chances to get such a couple when there are about 128000 NKVDs (1c to 1e) and 13000 S among them?

Merci, Aidas! It's marvelous to share such dreams!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Valkir1987

Replied on: 20090815085808

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1582009_76777.jpg

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1582009_76777.jpg

I recently got this one on ebay. A Fed NKVD with the serial number 76777. It came a week ago and I gave it a full cla and new curtains. (cleaning and relubricating all moving parts)

The speed selector had and extra 1/1000 speed drilled, but there is a small screw in the dial that prevents selecting it! When the screw is removed the time of 1/1000 works. This is the first camera that I opened up which had this extra hole on the dial.

Greetings :)

Reply author: Diego Cabassa

Replied on: 20090816104038

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jacques M.
 
Hello!
I have owned the S for several years.
But the simple NKVD is a recent discovery.
A miracle ?[:)]
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Hello Jacques,
congratuletion for your finding!

The speed selector had and extra 1/1000 speed drilled, but there is a small screw in the dial that prevents selecting it! When the screw is removed the time of 1/1000 works. This is the first camera that I opened up which had this extra hole on the dial. 

Thank Milo, for your information about it!

Best regards

Diego

Reply author: Vlad

Replied on: 20090816114927

Milo, that's a startling discovery! I wonder if this was an unfinished FED-S or someone mixed up the parts at the factory... quite interesting thanks for posting it!

Vlad.

Reply author: dee

Replied on: 20090818133555

I would just love that ! consequitive numbers - I am getting to believe that there was quite a lot of mix and match at the various factories - the pressure for quantities must have been immense .

Reply author: SnuSmu

Replied on: 20090826031115

here is another next-dorr neighbour http://www.molotok.ru/item714867555_redkij_fed_s_1_1000_vyderzhkoj.html

Reply author: Vlad

Replied on: 20090826090949

yea nice lens on it but too bad not original..

Reply author: nightphoto

Replied on: 20090826111157

Thanks for showing us Kirill!

Even if the lens is not the original, it shows that FED No.67739 was picked to be a FED-S, and is only 16 camera numbers away from the FED-S No. 67723.

I have added it to the list of FED-S examples in the WIKI.

Regards, Bill

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20090826145930

Fine!
Perhaps we could find one of the 15 cameras between # 67724 and 67739?
About Milo's # 76777, I own a special S not far from his (#76862) with ear straps and leather (instead of vulcanite). It seems as if Fed had made different trials for the S at this period...

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: stephanvdz

Replied on: 20090922151310

another bizarre Fed S... the 1000 mark is not original
http://cgi.befr.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370229343995&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Stephan

Reply author: stephanvdz

Replied on: 20090922151623

and a fed-zorki S...
http://cgi.befr.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230005189013&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_983wt_1167

far too expensive for me...

Stephan

Reply author: levonsa

Replied on: 20140407035853

Jacques hello! I've had these two cameras, but with a difference in one year! I started to sell FED number 7428. Then one year there was number 7429, but not earlier I had. Now I am ripping my hair out![:D]
All good mood!

http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent/742014_123.jpg

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/742014_123.jpg

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20140407101048

I hope you will find it again! [:D]
(your file does not work?)

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Niko80

Replied on: 20140823173207

At least in the wiki, we have another FED1 pair:
# 172681 FED1-S (D)
# 172682 FED1 (D)

The FED-S appears to be sold, but the normal FED is on ebay
http://www.ebay.de/itm/FED-NKVD-Rare-Russian-35mm-Rangefinder-Camera-No-172682-/251622684724?pt=US_Vintage_Cameras&hash=item3a95e17834

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20140824060009

Thanks,Christian!

In the wiki, we have too two consecutive 1a: the 4642 (mine) and the 4643 (Aidas's).

Amitiés.

Reply author: Valkir1987

Replied on: 20150327160540

A common Fed (serial number 114471) from 1939, but with the extra 1/1000 speed drilled in the dial too like the 76777 built the year before. (the dial is made from hardened steel, instead of brass)

Another interesting fact is that the lens thread entry is the same as the post war Fed 1f series.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7606/16947500622_915a47e7ca_z_d.jpg

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20150329085416

Hi Milo,

Yes, it seems that many NKVD were made with the extra hole giving the 1/1000th. So, what is exactly the difference between a common NKVD and a "S"? Just a problem of regulation, perhaps?

About the lens, I am not sure to understand. Do you speak of the 39mm screw or of the internal one? The last one, I suppose?

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Valkir1987

Replied on: 20150329144325

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Do you speak of the 39mm screw<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Yes, its where the infinity mark stops when you change lenses. Adding a speed of 1/1000 requires extra care when placing and regulating the curtains.

The screw in the shutter dial prevents the knob from selecting the fast speed. The FedS has a special selector with a cutout, which fits the screw and the fastest speed.

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20150330022437

Thanks for the detail about the speed selector. I have often dismounted "normal" NKVD and S, but I had never paid attention to that!

About the lens, I think too of the screw between the crown (distance ring) and the lens (depth of field). Impossible to invert prewar with postwar parts, as it seems. Curious.

Amitiés. Jacques.