Kiev Meatloave? Any one?

Strange camera I got today in the mail.
It supposed to be Kiev 3. Desirable 'A' serial number, no flash connector, lens matched, and leather case too. But look on the bottom, and on the light meter - that is Kiev 4, isn't it? Anything else wrong here?

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A very late Kiev III? One of the last ones?

It looks like a 're-built' camera. Look at the screws - they are in bad condition.
Please post the s/n of the lens. A rare jupiter 8 IMHO :)

Serial number on the lens is 5100711.
I'm agreed that camera most likely was rebuild (I have not other explanation), but where is the flash connector?
Screws on contrarily are in perfect conditions. Not much signs that camera was opened at all.

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A very interesting camera, even if it was probably rebuilt.
I think it's not the first time we speak of such cameras, but I'm unable to find where. Perhaps it was Michel?
Anyway, your lens is rare: an early 1951 Jupiter 8 with Zeiss's ears... bravo!

Amitiés. Jacques.

A curios camera...

I wonder a bit about the rough leather that looks like the one on Kievs from the 70ies and later. Kievs of the 50ies have much more finer leather.

So it could be a rebuilt even if can not see any marks on the screws. If you are carefully enough you can't see that a camera was opened before.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Mmmh...
I think I have found:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1037

Amitiés. Jacques.

Thanks for finding that Jacques! Which again bring us to the notion of pattern. We have 3 of these "meatloaf" Kievs, all with "A" serial numbers. This points to some kind of late III or early IV model existence. Any objections? [:)]

Vlad

With little time I have I continue go forward with investigation about this camera or cameras, as mention Vlad existence at list 3 such monsters.
While I ruled out that body belong to Kiev 3, question remains: All Kiev RF have flash synchronizer except Kiev 3. Camera in questions does not have flash synchronizer. But it can not be Kiev 3, check how bottom looks. It may be possible to change light meter housing, but it impossible to change bottom of the camera. It molded and can not be modified. So body has to be from Kiev 4...... without flash synchronizer? This is a little bit weird.
Tomorrow I'll try to get under the skin [:)]

okynek, yes that sound a bit weird :-) Please let us now what you find when you disassemble it. Interesting would be if the shutter has a flash connector and the number stamped on top of the shutter. As I know only early shutters (up to 195?) have numbers stamped in. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Ulrich

http://fotos.cconin.de

Well I got under the skin..... - no surprises there [:)]

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The body is from Kiev 4 probably from 70x. New skin very well hided hole from removed flash connector. Lens is original from earlier Kiev 3, so serial number, light meter calculator and few other parts. It make this meatlove a pathetic fake. Mystery solved !

Ulrich, I'll try to disasemled this camera later. Right now I do not have confidence and time to do this [;)].
I'm pretty sure by now that all mechanic inside the camera from Kiev 4.