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Topic author: Luiz Paracampo
Posted on: 20071211184609
An interesting new site on the air
http://cccp.webstar.nl/index.htm
http://cccp.webstar.nl/index.htm
New site
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Reply author: Zoom
Replied on: 20071212060234
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo</i>
<br />An interesting new site on the air
http://cccp.webstar.nl/index.htm
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Not interesting, there are many errors. The author has not critically approached to the facts taken from a several known sources, such as http://www.commiecameras.com/ (For my meaning, Nathan's site is bad too. Sorry Nathan... I'm not the diplomat, I speak that I think.).
<br />An interesting new site on the air
http://cccp.webstar.nl/index.htm
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Not interesting, there are many errors. The author has not critically approached to the facts taken from a several known sources, such as http://www.commiecameras.com/ (For my meaning, Nathan's site is bad too. Sorry Nathan... I'm not the diplomat, I speak that I think.).
Reply author: Michel
Replied on: 20071212111752
Hi Zoom,
Why not make your own site?
So, you could correct all these errors…
And il will benefit to all of us.
Sincerly
Michel.
Why not make your own site?
So, you could correct all these errors…
And il will benefit to all of us.
Sincerly
Michel.
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20071212112111
Michel, Zoom does have a site - www.zenitcamera.com , and it's quite informative! It is the more or less official KMZ camera site. [;)]
Vlad
Vlad
Reply author: Zoom
Replied on: 20071212115030
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Michel</i>
<br />So, you could correct all these errors…
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I corresponded with Mr. Dayton and specified a mistakes. He had not corrected any... :( I don't understand why.
<br />So, you could correct all these errors…
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I corresponded with Mr. Dayton and specified a mistakes. He had not corrected any... :( I don't understand why.
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20071212123118
Nathan lost his interest in everything when he became sick few years ago. And the website was going down once for unpaid websitefees, but several ZCG-members donated money to keep it up. It was supposed to be payment for a CD about Nathans cameras, but nobody got anything.... There is even worse things I could tell but I am too polite here.
http://www.cedricfan.sivut.ws/Juhani's%20website%20ORIGINAALIT/
http://www.cedricfan.sivut.ws/Juhani's%20website%20ORIGINAALIT/
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20071212125912
http://www.zenitcamera.com/ would be more interesting (and understanding too) if it was all in English...[^]
anyway it seem to describe <u><b>ONLY</b></u> KMZ items and we enjoy <u><b>ALL</b></u> FSU items....no ?
alain
anyway it seem to describe <u><b>ONLY</b></u> KMZ items and we enjoy <u><b>ALL</b></u> FSU items....no ?
alain
Reply author: Zoom
Replied on: 20071212155109
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mermoz37</i>
<br />http://www.zenitcamera.com/ would be more interesting (and understanding too) if it was all in English...[^]
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You are right... But why the Monsieur Princelle's "Guide" is not in Russian? ;)
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mermoz37</i>
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anyway it seem to describe ONLY KMZ items and we enjoy ALL FSU items....no ?
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At seems to me, I like only KMZ items... 8)
For others, of course: http://www.photohistory.ru/
<br />http://www.zenitcamera.com/ would be more interesting (and understanding too) if it was all in English...[^]
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You are right... But why the Monsieur Princelle's "Guide" is not in Russian? ;)
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mermoz37</i>
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anyway it seem to describe ONLY KMZ items and we enjoy ALL FSU items....no ?
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At seems to me, I like only KMZ items... 8)
For others, of course: http://www.photohistory.ru/
Reply author: Zoom
Replied on: 20071212161320
<i>In addictio</i>...
From http://www.zenitcamera.com/cgi-bin/fforum.cgi?action=get&value=62620 :
<center>
;)
From http://www.zenitcamera.com/cgi-bin/fforum.cgi?action=get&value=62620 :
<center>
http://www.zenitcamera.com/forum/images/princelle-authentic-guide-rus-book-cover.jpg
</center>
;)
Reply author: Michel
Replied on: 20071212165144
Hi Vlad,
As Mr Zoom does not specifies the name of his site in his profile, I could not guess
the existence of this site (KMZ ecxlusive… and not readable for non russian speaking members…)
And, as mermoz37 says, we love ALL fsu cameras.
About Princelle, I think there is an english edition ?
Regards,
Michel.[:)]
As Mr Zoom does not specifies the name of his site in his profile, I could not guess
the existence of this site (KMZ ecxlusive… and not readable for non russian speaking members…)
And, as mermoz37 says, we love ALL fsu cameras.
About Princelle, I think there is an english edition ?
Regards,
Michel.[:)]
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20071212181915
That's no problem, Michel! I didn't know you didn't know who Zoom is.. sorry for making that assumption.
Oh wow! There's a Russian version! Never saw the cover before! [:)] Yes there is an English version, all of us in US have it, but it's very poorly translated.. A lot of stuff still popping up in French throughout the book..
Vlad.
Oh wow! There's a Russian version! Never saw the cover before! [:)] Yes there is an English version, all of us in US have it, but it's very poorly translated.. A lot of stuff still popping up in French throughout the book..
Vlad.
Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: 20071212182220
Hi Michel,
I must say that the KMZ site that Zoom has made is the most complete and accurate site about KMZ cameras and lenses anywhere! Many cameras, prototypes, projects, and technical information about things that KMZ made are available nowhere else!
Some things are in English, like the "production numbers chart" (scroll to right for English) and some other pages.
If a page is in Russian, you can put it into a translation site and get a pretty good idea of the details. This is well worth the trouble if you are researching a specific camera as much of the imformation on Zoom's site can not be found elsewhere.
So, if there was a special site like this also for GOMZ-LOMO, FED, Arsenal, BeLOMO things would be almost perfect! (Exactly perfect if all sites were in French, English, Russian, German, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, etc. ... or we can learn other languages!)
Regards, Bill
I must say that the KMZ site that Zoom has made is the most complete and accurate site about KMZ cameras and lenses anywhere! Many cameras, prototypes, projects, and technical information about things that KMZ made are available nowhere else!
Some things are in English, like the "production numbers chart" (scroll to right for English) and some other pages.
If a page is in Russian, you can put it into a translation site and get a pretty good idea of the details. This is well worth the trouble if you are researching a specific camera as much of the imformation on Zoom's site can not be found elsewhere.
So, if there was a special site like this also for GOMZ-LOMO, FED, Arsenal, BeLOMO things would be almost perfect! (Exactly perfect if all sites were in French, English, Russian, German, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, etc. ... or we can learn other languages!)
Regards, Bill
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20071212182852
Well hopefully that's what this site here is for...
Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: 20071213032327
Zoom,
Could you resend your list of mistakes to me? I would be glad to correct KMZ camera descriptions in my website.
Regards,
Aidas
Could you resend your list of mistakes to me? I would be glad to correct KMZ camera descriptions in my website.
Regards,
Aidas
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20071213061333
Dear Mr Zoom,
how many FSU collectors would read, and buy a cirrylic édition?
...when you print and deal such a bibble you must be realist in economy....
(for information , the #001 specimen, under luxury hard cover, was sent to Mr Putin)
how many FSU collectors would read, and buy a cirrylic édition?
...when you print and deal such a bibble you must be realist in economy....
(for information , the #001 specimen, under luxury hard cover, was sent to Mr Putin)
Reply author: okynek
Replied on: 20071213080000
I wonder if this book available now? I would buy one. Where can I found it? Does anyone know ISBM for it?
Reply author: Zoom
Replied on: 20071213102001
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by AidasCams</i>
<br />Zoom,
Could you resend your list of mistakes to me? I would be glad to correct KMZ camera descriptions in my website.
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You have made a good site.
In the text there are disputable moments, for example ( http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1111669253 ):
"<i>The Zenit-4 was also the first KMZ camera to come with a lightmeter</i>"
But at fast survey of texts I have not found out a gross blunders.
The same page:
"<i>...Zenit-KM... This is the first microprocessor-controlled camera in the Zenit range</i>" (the first was Zenit-automat with the "french electronics").
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1414064190
"<i>zenit-c This is one of the first SLR's ever made.</i>"
You mean there Zenit(-1)? ;)
"<i>Back in 1937 a Russian company called VOOMP-GOI created the FS-2.</i>"
See Note 2 on this page:
http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/fs/index.html#n2
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1906456270
"<i>Very interesting Zenit-4, under name Zenit-5.</i>"
I think that it was either a mistake, or for any reason camera has the incorrectly replaced top.
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?-17613401
"<i>This camera is a Zenit-B with a TTL meter.</i>"
It is possible to say so, but Zenit-TTL was made from other camera ("EM").
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1808920295
Btw, shown on this page "Zenit-122 Special Edition" was made in 1993... ;)
Zenit-12xl "<i>Presumably it was made especially for Latin-American markets.</i>"
Yes.
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?989557947
"<i>The body is made completely of plastic</i>"
Not of course. Only the covering (or housing). Zenit-KM, Foton and Juncor has the plastic bodies.
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?642490551
"<i>Because of Toptronic reorganization all KMZ plans to produce cheap cameras were upside-down</i>"
The reasons were others.
Founded in the "Spy cameras" section:
"Narciss" was not a "spy" camera...
C-64 "Yelochka" too... ;)
Yunkor
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?-1048640621
"<i>Lens: Monocle 8/65."</i> -- Nope. "Periscope". "Monocle" has one lens.
---
Btw. "Uncommon version of Zenit-EM camera #74023096." has very interesting logo...
<br />Zoom,
Could you resend your list of mistakes to me? I would be glad to correct KMZ camera descriptions in my website.
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You have made a good site.
In the text there are disputable moments, for example ( http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1111669253 ):
"<i>The Zenit-4 was also the first KMZ camera to come with a lightmeter</i>"
But at fast survey of texts I have not found out a gross blunders.
The same page:
"<i>...Zenit-KM... This is the first microprocessor-controlled camera in the Zenit range</i>" (the first was Zenit-automat with the "french electronics").
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1414064190
"<i>zenit-c This is one of the first SLR's ever made.</i>"
You mean there Zenit(-1)? ;)
"<i>Back in 1937 a Russian company called VOOMP-GOI created the FS-2.</i>"
See Note 2 on this page:
http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/fs/index.html#n2
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1906456270
"<i>Very interesting Zenit-4, under name Zenit-5.</i>"
I think that it was either a mistake, or for any reason camera has the incorrectly replaced top.
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?-17613401
"<i>This camera is a Zenit-B with a TTL meter.</i>"
It is possible to say so, but Zenit-TTL was made from other camera ("EM").
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1808920295
Btw, shown on this page "Zenit-122 Special Edition" was made in 1993... ;)
Zenit-12xl "<i>Presumably it was made especially for Latin-American markets.</i>"
Yes.
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?989557947
"<i>The body is made completely of plastic</i>"
Not of course. Only the covering (or housing). Zenit-KM, Foton and Juncor has the plastic bodies.
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?642490551
"<i>Because of Toptronic reorganization all KMZ plans to produce cheap cameras were upside-down</i>"
The reasons were others.
Founded in the "Spy cameras" section:
"Narciss" was not a "spy" camera...
C-64 "Yelochka" too... ;)
Yunkor
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?-1048640621
"<i>Lens: Monocle 8/65."</i> -- Nope. "Periscope". "Monocle" has one lens.
---
Btw. "Uncommon version of Zenit-EM camera #74023096." has very interesting logo...
Reply author: Zoom
Replied on: 20071213103635
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mermoz37</i>
<br />how many FSU collectors would read, and buy a cirrylic edition?
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I don't know... What price? ;)
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mermoz37</i>
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(for information , the #001 specimen, under luxury hard cover, was sent to Mr Putin)
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Senseless gift. Alas, he absolutelly is not interested in a phototechnics...
<br />how many FSU collectors would read, and buy a cirrylic edition?
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I don't know... What price? ;)
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mermoz37</i>
<br />
(for information , the #001 specimen, under luxury hard cover, was sent to Mr Putin)
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Senseless gift. Alas, he absolutelly is not interested in a phototechnics...
Reply author: okynek
Replied on: 20071213110937
I should write him e-Mail. May be he let me have his book? [:D]
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20071213120826
dear Mr zoom :
"Senseless gift. Alas, he absolutelly is not interested in a phototechnics..."
this is evidence you do not know anything about French spirit and diplomacy...[^]
"Senseless gift. Alas, he absolutelly is not interested in a phototechnics..."
this is evidence you do not know anything about French spirit and diplomacy...[^]
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20071213131311
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mermoz37</i>
<br />dear Mr zoom :
"Senseless gift. Alas, he absolutelly is not interested in a phototechnics..."
this is evidence you do not know anything about French spirit and diplomacy...[^]
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[:D]
Best laugh I had this evening! Knowing you both I know you are both right, thinking from your point of wiew!
[:)]
http://www.cedricfan.sivut.ws/Juhani's%20website%20ORIGINAALIT/
<br />dear Mr zoom :
"Senseless gift. Alas, he absolutelly is not interested in a phototechnics..."
this is evidence you do not know anything about French spirit and diplomacy...[^]
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[:D]
Best laugh I had this evening! Knowing you both I know you are both right, thinking from your point of wiew!
[:)]
http://www.cedricfan.sivut.ws/Juhani's%20website%20ORIGINAALIT/
Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: 20071214013935
Zoom,
My special thanks for your critical notes! I'll do my best to replace incorrect information as soon. Just for Zenit-4 (with Zenit-5 nameplate) I would like to have the separate discussion, while it doesn't seem assuredly, what somebody placed Zenit-5 top plate on Zenit-4 body ...
Regards,
Aidas
My special thanks for your critical notes! I'll do my best to replace incorrect information as soon. Just for Zenit-4 (with Zenit-5 nameplate) I would like to have the separate discussion, while it doesn't seem assuredly, what somebody placed Zenit-5 top plate on Zenit-4 body ...
Regards,
Aidas