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Topic author: Fred_L

Posted on: 20190210054956

Hi all!!

If you are interested, this topic is to share the fakes we all have in our collections. In our countries, we surely all have different models. The purpose is also to know from wich type of camera the fake is coming from.

I am starting with 2 models of Sagem camera.
Engraving are in French
What is interesting is the base plate engraving
In correct French, we should have these words:
Fermé for close or lock
Ouvert for open
These models have the same uncorrect word for open: Ouvré
It does not exist in French. It's as you write opain for open....

Please enjoy

Fred



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_01_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_01_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_02_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_02_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_03_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_03_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_04_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_04_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_05_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-gr_05_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_01_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_01_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_02_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_02_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_03_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_03_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_04_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_04_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_05_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Sagem-wd_05_LD.jpg

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Reply author: cedricfan

Replied on: 20190210091506

http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_DSCF1692a.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_DSCF1692a.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_DSCF1692b.JPG


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_DSCF1692b.JPG

Actually I am not even sure if this is a fake or a true Shanghai-58-II Mk4 serial-#67006 from 1962. The price I paid was for a fake [^]

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Fred_L

Replied on: 20190210122900

From my point of vue Juhani, it is not a fke but a real Shanghai 58.
It seems to be very difficult to copy this camera, especially the top cover and Slow speed selector.
I own 3 Shanghai-58 and they seem to be exactly the same as yours...

I also have fake Shanghai-58. I'll make picture and post it

Fred

Reply author: cedricfan

Replied on: 20190210133104

Thank you Fred, so I made a good deal years ago when I bought this [;)]

Must take good pictures of my "golden" Lieca also, it is a purchase from the time I still scanned analogue prints...
Even their prices have gone up nicely
[8)]
Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Fred_L

Replied on: 20190210135250

Hi Juhani

Here are pics of my fake Shanghai-58 with Industar-22
Really different from yours...probably a Zorki 1-C from 1951-53..

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_01_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_01_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_02_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_02_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_03_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_03_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_04_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_04_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_05_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_05_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_06_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1022019_Fake-Shanghai-58_06_LD.jpg

Reply author: cedricfan

Replied on: 20190210142701

Yes, very easy to see that it is not a genuine one!

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Fred_L

Replied on: 20190213143646

Hi all!!

One more camera
A special one..
Is it coorect to say it's a fake? Maybe it does not exist as an original one???[8D][8D]

Fred

http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_01_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_01_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_02_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_02_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_03_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_03_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_04_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1322019_Zorki-Std-SP_04_LD.jpg

Reply author: jed

Replied on: 20190221124034

Hello Fred,

Last one is superb. I had one in hands a couple of months ago. Very well made ! Sold in a an auction, 250€.

Reply author: Fred_L

Replied on: 20190222164654

Hi Jed!!

Long time no see....!!!

Fakes are not only Fed!!!
I am sure I will find some Kiev!!!

For the moment, look at this Zenit...
Comments are welcome!!!

Fred


http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/2222019_Zenit-122a_04_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2222019_Zenit-122a_04_LD.jpg

Reply author: Guido

Replied on: 20190222173143

Hello friends

Camera fakes and modifications are one of my special interessts some of you may know. There are 22 cameras in my collection at the moment, most of them "FED-Zorki" (8), five of them 1949 (!). But there are also some "special" FED's (4), two of them "Sibiria's". Also two Kristall's (full black und partial red), two Leica IId, and a colorful Leica-72. And a fake TSSVS of cause with an original Sonnar 50mm/2.0. Last but not least some modifications of the Zorki-1 (3) and one Zorki-3, not counting the two UssrPhoto commemoration cameras by the way.

On eBay you can't find much of such modifications and fakes in our days because the last forger or craftpersons with this knowledge are retired or passed away. That's by the way the reason why we can't find someone to build a third UssrPhoto commemoration camera sadly.

Best wishes - Guido

Reply author: Fred_L

Replied on: 20190223142909

Hi Guido

Nice collection of fakes!!!

About commemoration models, I have one wich could be the fake of the fake??? Based on a Zorki C....

Here are some pics and a comparison with the original 5 years commemorative model (Number 007 just ordered by James Bond[8D][8D][8D][8D])

Fred



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_01_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_01_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_02_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_02_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_03_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_03_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_04_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_04_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_05_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_05_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_06_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_06_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_07_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_07_LD.jpg



http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_08_LD.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2322019_5th-Anv_08_LD.jpg

Reply author: Guido

Replied on: 20190223151706


Hello Fred

Very nice fake of fake! It was made then together with the Zorki-1 batch? This remembers me a fake Leica based on a Zorki-C I've seen in an (other?) forum. A nice try too ... ;-)

Best wishes - Guido

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20190308105621


My best (or worst? [:D]) fake.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/832019_Fed Leica.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/832019_Fed Leica.jpg

Reply author: Alfa2

Replied on: 20190309073330

Aaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuu somebody spoiled so beautiful FED NKVD. I almost feel pain of my teeth.

Reply author: Vlad

Replied on: 20190309082210

Oh my God! Wow

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20190317103634


Yes, it's at least surprising.
Another picture of the same Fed 1a/Leica:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1732019_fed leica 2.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1732019_fed leica 2.jpg

Certainly, I have already posted about that fake.

Amitiés.

Reply author: Alfa2

Replied on: 20190318172218

Even the lens is original from early FED. What is serial no of the lens ?
Why distance scale has so strange numbers ?

Reply author: cedricfan

Replied on: 20190318232604

Numbers are same as in my #3618 camera

Best regards,
Juhani

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20190319075345


S/n of the lens: 6107. Certainly one of the last "one turn", and probably a bit too young for the body. I confirm about the numbers of the distance scale, which are normal.
On the front, "FED" only was suppressed, and replaced by "Elmar": there are traces of erasion. No other modifications, by comparison with my other "one turn" lenses.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20211004103511

I dig out this thread, just to add a word to Fred's message dated of 13/02/2019.
This camera (a so called "Geodesiya") was made from a Fed 1b. The texture of the vulcanite is special and can be found aroud the s/n 12/15000 and 25/26000. So, more or less the same year as the original cameras. Not bad...
So, lucky find, Fred!

Amitiés. Jacques.

Reply author: AlexanderK

Replied on: 20211007150140

Very nice fake FED-KMZ. Enjoy it [:)].

http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/7102021_IMG_20211007_215425.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/7102021_IMG_20211007_215425.jpg

http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/7102021_IMG_20211007_215443.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/7102021_IMG_20211007_215443.jpg



Regards, Alexander

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20211008024316


Very nice and interesting, indeed! I had just seen another one until now.
Does the 1/1000th work?
Thanks, Alexander!

Jacques.

Reply author: Guido

Replied on: 20211008111453

Hello Alexander

Yes, that's a very nice one! The back of the camera would be interesting too by the way ...

Little contest for this occasion: What a camera it was before? What points show it is a fake? I've seen three at least (without comparing to an authenic one). Anyone?

Best wishes
Guido

Reply author: Jacques M.

Replied on: 20211008115148


Hello!

To answer Guido's question, this camera could have been a Fed 1c in a previous life, under the condition no original part was changed. To be more precise, between numbers c. 55000/85000, roughly.(position of different screws)

About the number of "fake" points, at least 6, I would say...

But to be more precise, it should be necessary to have a complete set of photos. That is not the purpose here. [:)]

Amitiés. Jacques.