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Vladislav Kern
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Bill Parkinson
nightphoto
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 Posted - May 28 2009 : 10:29:57 PM
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Maybe the "T" stands for "technical" rather than tropical.
Regards, Bill
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - May 29 2009 : 08:49:14 AM
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Actually the seller specifically states that this version is for work in tropical zones.
Here's the original auction:
http://www.molotok.ru/item647070246_redkost_kiev_tropika.html
And the description says:
Фотоаппарат Киев - вариант для работы в тропических условиях. Заводской номер аппарата и объектива в конце имеют букву Т . От обычных отличается использованием в конструкции некорродирующих в условиях тропиков сочетаний металлов и сплавов, а , так же антикоррозионной обработкой внутренних механизмов (см. последнее фото со снятой верхней крышкой).
Camera Kiev - version for work in tropical conditions. Factory number of camera and lens have letter T in the end. Differs from regular ones with construction made of out of anti-corrosion metals and alloys as well and anti-corrosion coating of inside mechanisms (see last photo with top cover taken off.)
Pretty interesting!
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Bill Parkinson
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Posted - May 29 2009 : 10:54:23 AM
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Maybe the seller says this, but I don't see any differences in the metals on the outside of the camera where it would be exposed to moisture the most.
It is interesting but has anyone else here in the forum heard of this? Is there a possibility that it can be a fake with just two engraved "T"s and some paint added to the inside of the top? Or were "tropical" versions of 35mm cameras made? I have only heard of wooden cameras being "tropical" with extra treatment to the wood and bellows which are very prone to damage from tropical weather. As far as Iknow there is no problem with metal 35mm cameras in the tropics.
Regards, Bill
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Michel
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Posted - May 31 2009 : 4:17:37 PM
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Never heard of such model.
Nevertheless, engraving is quite nice and "T" is in the place it should be in the engraving: after the s/n .
Is the paint inside of the top suficient to "tropicalize" such camera? |
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - May 31 2009 : 7:06:48 PM
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Michel, according to seller, the mechanical parts of the camera are also coated with with anti-corrosion layer...
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Bill Parkinson
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Posted - May 31 2009 : 10:12:05 PM
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As far as I can see from some research on the internet, it seems that all tropical cameras are made of wood. I could not find any examples of 35mm metal cameras that are "tropical". I believe this is because the wood is the thing that rots in the tropics (and maybe the bellows).
Vlad, have you ever heard of a metal camera that is known as a "tropical". If so, I would expect that the outside of the camera would be treated in some way, against the elements of the weather.
I think this Kiev is unique and probably rare, but that the "T" on the serial numbers does not stand for tropical. As to whether the interior parts are coated with anti-corrosion layer, I would want to see better photos than just a photo like is shown.
Just my opinion and I have learned, as we all have, that just because a seller descibes something does not mean it is accurate.
Regards, Bill
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Yuri Boguslavsky
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Posted - May 31 2009 : 10:18:05 PM
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I agree with Bill on this.
We know that "T" lenses exist, but we never established that 'T' is indeed for Tropical. Who would need a Tropical Kiev? Arctic - maybe!
Also, when we discover something (like a "T' body) only now, and nobody ever heard or documented it, it makes me cautious.
The Soviets seldom made very small batches of something. Even gems like TSVVS were made in quantities (hundreds). My point is - we would probably know about 'T' Kievs by now. And if this one is indeed the only known "T" Kiev, it should command a high price. |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - May 31 2009 : 10:20:51 PM
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I agree with you Bill, I'm just simply conveying what seller wrote.. Since Yuri Davidenko is going to be at Bievres with us and is renown Arsenal expert I may ask him about this camera  ...
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Bill Parkinson
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Posted - May 31 2009 : 11:15:23 PM
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Good idea Vlad ... maybe Yuri will know.
Maybe Luiz will know if any other 35mm metal cameras are "tropical"?
Regards, Bill
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Michel
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Posted - Jun 01 2009 : 05:46:09 AM
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Hi Vlad,
Did the seller dismantled the camera to say that "the mechanical parts of the camera are also coated with anti-corrosion layer..." ?
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Jun 01 2009 : 09:08:27 AM
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Short of taking off top cover it does not say...
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Zoom
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Posted - Jun 01 2009 : 09:34:53 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by nightphoto
I think this Kiev is unique and probably rare, but that the "T" on the serial numbers does not stand for tropical.
This is the tropical variant (тропическое исполнение: "tropicheskoe ispolnenie") indeed.
See also: http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-indexes.html#tropical
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Zoom
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Posted - Jun 01 2009 : 09:39:25 AM
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Originally posted by nightphoto
Maybe Luiz will know if any other 35mm metal cameras are "tropical"?
A Zenits, for example...
Their occurrence at an eBay-like auctions is improbable. All of them are in Africa, Indochina etc... ;) |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Jun 01 2009 : 09:57:25 AM
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Zoom, thanks for this post, this makes this very interesting.. are there any documents at KMZ or on your site for instance that describe the process or the differences in tropical Zenits vs regular ones?
Thanks,
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Bill Parkinson
nightphoto
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Posted - Jun 01 2009 : 10:57:41 AM
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Thank you Zoom! Now we have the correct answer instead of my wrong ideas!
Regards, Bill
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Zoom
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Posted - Jun 01 2009 : 11:44:12 AM
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Originally posted by Vlad
...the differences in tropical Zenits vs regular ones?
Another lenses coatings, another lubricants, sometimes another matherials... All against a heightened dampness, high temperature, fungus and mould. |
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Kiev Tropica
