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jed
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Posted - Sep 06 2016 :  4:30:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi,

New addition to my Kiev collection, a Kiev 4 "T" camera. Both camera and lens they both have s/n with "T". Lens was already known but first time I got a camera like that one. See,


Alfa2
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Posted - Sep 07 2016 :  08:53:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

What is the difference between lens/camera with and without "T" ?

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jed
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Posted - Sep 07 2016 :  09:02:06 AM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi,
I don't know....
LTM Jupiter 8 can be found with s/n "T". Very uncommon.
First time I see a Kiev camera with that letter plus matching lens.
Best,
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Sep 07 2016 :  09:10:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This is a Tropical version on the lens, it's made with humidity resistant materials and sealing.

Vlad
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jed
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Posted - Sep 07 2016 :  09:42:48 AM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Vlad !

Thanks. So a tropical Kiev 4 was released by Arsenal. Will add the camera in the wiki !
Jed
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Sep 07 2016 :  09:49:00 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Also see here:

http://ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1246

Vlad
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Sep 07 2016 :  12:25:42 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Actually I have some new information regarding this from Ilya Stolyar. A reliable source connected to Arsenal had told him that this is a Topographical and not a tropical camera/lens made to be used from an airplane.

While it may stand for "Tropical" for KMZ production, for Arsenal it's "Topographical".

Cheers,
Vlad
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jed
France
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Posted - Sep 07 2016 :  3:44:23 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks lots Vlad ! Nice to find a very rare camera.
Best,
Jean

Edited by - jed on Sep 07 2016 3:44:46 PM
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Sep 07 2016 :  3:49:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yes, from what I understand it is very rare indeed, congratulations!

Cheers,
Vlad
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jed
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Posted - Sep 07 2016 :  4:18:03 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I've added the camera in the wiki http://ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=20&ParentID=1&ContentID=1663&Item=Kiev+4+%26quot%3BTopographical%26quot%3B
No text, yet.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
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Posted - Sep 12 2016 :  3:16:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thank you Jed! I've fixed the image, you uploaded as file, you need to upload it as "image" in order for it to show up.

Cheers,
Vlad
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Pierre Tizien
Moxies
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Posted - Sep 12 2016 :  5:29:04 PM  Show Profile  Visit Moxies's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Interesting why they used Kiev-4 for topographical purpose, when usualy was used AFA camera with dedicated lenses on large format film.

Edited by - Moxies on Sep 12 2016 5:29:50 PM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 13 2016 :  07:07:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

First time I see that. It would be interested what what exactly changed for these "T" cameras and Jups.
Congrats, Jed, you are the best!

Amitiés. Jacques.
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jed
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Posted - Sep 13 2016 :  09:09:13 AM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sometimes checking Kiev serial numbers on ebay auctions is not a waste of time ;)
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jed
France
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Posted - Sep 14 2016 :  1:20:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Got the camera today !

Great news : lens is different !

It seems that the lens was reformulated (1 element added ?)

Edited by - jed on Sep 15 2016 11:20:25 AM
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jed
France
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Posted - Sep 14 2016 :  1:24:32 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Enjoy !!!!!

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jed
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Posted - Sep 14 2016 :  1:25:30 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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jed
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Posted - Sep 14 2016 :  1:26:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Sep 15 2016 :  12:05:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Amazing!

Really, it seems that the rear part is bigger than on the normal Jup 8... Would they have put a triplet instead of a doublet?
If possible, could you make a photo comparison between your "T" and a non "T"?

Finally, does this lens work?

Thanks, Jed!
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jed
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Posted - Sep 15 2016 :  12:37:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote


test here :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/31745579@N04/29666061296/in/dateposted-public/

Edited by - jed on Sep 15 2016 12:44:53 PM
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jed
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Posted - Sep 15 2016 :  2:22:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well It seems that I was wrong :( I've made my comparison with the old Jupiter 8 - My lens is from 1964 so 8M
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Pierre Tizien
Moxies
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Posted - Sep 16 2016 :  10:07:44 AM  Show Profile  Visit Moxies's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So how is it compared to another 8M?
What about weight? It could tell something if weight is different between T and non-T (other metal used)
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 16 2016 :  11:51:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I have just found 66g for a 1963 jup 8 and 82g for a 1976 8M, in the same condition as Jed's picts. But probably, it does not mean much: these two lenses are not of the same generation.

Anyway, when I compare them, the dimensions are the same. Only the coatings are really different. And there is on my 8M the same protecting ring as on Jed's one. This ring doesn't exist on the Jup 8.

It's all I can say...
Amitiés. Jacques.
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jed
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Posted - Sep 16 2016 :  2:48:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Lens coating in comparison with another J8M :



Pierre, I believe you're located in Paris. I may show the lens to you If needed

Edited by - jed on Sep 16 2016 2:58:04 PM
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jed
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Posted - Sep 16 2016 :  2:54:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Some screws aren't painted in black, quite uncommon.

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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 16 2016 :  3:40:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

If you compare your two 8M lenses, Jean, are there visible differences concerning the dimensions? The weight?

Except for the coating, of course!
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jed
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Posted - Sep 16 2016 :  4:08:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi Jacques,
No visible differences. Will tell about the weight tomorrow ;)
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Pierre Tizien
Moxies
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Posted - Sep 16 2016 :  5:24:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit Moxies's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jed

Lens coating in comparison with another J8M :



Pierre, I believe you're located in Paris. I may show the lens to you If needed



I fear I won't be usefull, I'm not specialist of those rangefinder lenses. But the idea to meet is good, maybe to show each other interestings things . But again, I have few Kiev and lenses to mount on them
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 17 2016 :  04:47:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Interesting, these screws. On my Kievs, they are always black painted.
Are there other visible differences, if you compare with your other numerous Kievs, Jed?
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jed
France
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Posted - Sep 22 2016 :  03:51:42 AM  Show Profile  Visit jed's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Jupiter 8m T is 122 g
Jupiter 8M is 129 g

PS : Pierre you're welcome if you like to see my Kiev collection ;)

Edited by - jed on Sep 22 2016 03:54:49 AM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Sep 22 2016 :  05:34:41 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jed

Hi,

Jupiter 8m T is 122 g
Jupiter 8M is 129 g



With the mount, I suppose? My measures were without anything.
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