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Topic author: Vlad
Subject: Funny Arsenal Jupiter-8M
Posted on: Aug 28 2014 10:42:45 AM
Message:

What in the heck is this "kotleta"? LOL! Looks like they combined I-61 and Jupiter-8M front...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2882014_1.jpg

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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Aug 28 2014 4:12:16 PM
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Yes, it's not the first one I see.
The former had a body which was completely chromed.

I have seen too recently a 2/5cm Sonnar in the same barrel. Not sure the Sonnar was genuine...And a Nikkor 1,4 SC in a Jupiter 8 barrel.
The three-card trick!

Jacques.




Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Aug 28 2014 4:18:03 PM
Message:

Jacques, but it's not an original right? It's a combination of 2 lenses? How does that even work? How can they be optically compatible? I'm just confused about that..

Cheers,
Vlad.


Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Aug 28 2014 5:19:48 PM
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Hi Vlad!

The first Industar 26m were made from the aluminium barrel of the Jupiter 8. On the contrary, it is certainly possible to put a Jup8 lens part into an Industar 61 barrel...

But really, I don't see the benefit. It's much better to put a Nikkor 1,4 SC (from a bayonet mount) into a LTM Jup 8 barrel: you can gain 200 €... But surely it's not so evident...

Amitiés.


Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Aug 29 2014 03:27:11 AM
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I had forgotten: I have a 1939 Sonnar in a Jup 8 of the fifties. It was only necessary to shim it: the mechanisms are perfectly compatible.
It's the same family...


Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Aug 29 2014 10:35:47 AM
Message:

Interesting. I'm not a lens/optics expert, I collect mostly for mechanical aspect of camera bodies themselves, but for some reason I was under the impression that the optical formulas would be incompatible since each lens uses different number of elements etc.. but I guess it's much simpler between these after all.. thank you for clarifying. But an interestin hybrid, just stood out to me as I've never seen such combination before.

Cheers,
Vlad.


Reply author: vorobaz
Replied on: Aug 31 2014 06:18:55 AM
Message:

Hi! I have one of the "zebra" export variant Jupiter-8 (m39). And two of them I find on the photo in the internet. All three - 1968 year of production:






++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Serial numbers ¹681****:

¹6811677 (from Aidas site)
¹6815656 ( mine)
¹6814371 ( sale on rangefinder.ru http://rangefinder.ru/sale/showproduct.php/product/3519)



Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Aug 31 2014 11:44:11 AM
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Do you think they are home made combinations or original factory lenses?
The JLP notes that the black Jup 8 were made from c.1976, in the anodised version. And yours are from 1968...

It's not the first time I see these curious lenses, but I had not payed attention till now... Thanks!

Jacques.


Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: Aug 31 2014 4:54:34 PM
Message:

These were experimental factory made. Very rare
Regards


Reply author: vorobaz
Replied on: Sep 01 2014 12:20:37 AM
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This black ring from my J-8 ¹6815656:






I think it's factory made.


Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Sep 01 2014 03:05:20 AM
Message:

Thanks, Vorobaz and Luiz.
Is there a reason to make a special batch of these zebra Jup 8?

Jacques.


Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Sep 02 2014 2:35:27 PM
Message:

My apologies, I did not originally provide a source for this picture, breaking my own rules . Here it is:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fast-Russian-JUPITER-8-50-f2-LEICA-FED-Zorki-M39-LTM-Lens-Filter-BOX-/361036993838?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item540f7b552e


Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Sep 02 2014 4:13:38 PM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

My apologies, I did not originally provide a source for this picture, breaking my own rules . Here it is:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fast-Russian-JUPITER-8-50-f2-LEICA-FED-Zorki-M39-LTM-Lens-Filter-BOX-/361036993838?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item540f7b552e




"Access impossible due to legal restrictions...."
These mentions are more and more numerous on eBay France, even if there is absolutely no problem of "contamination".
I don't understand what happens...

Perhaps black and white is a problem in itself?

Here is what I have:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Error?item=361036993838&errid=17

Jacques.


Reply author: vorobaz
Replied on: Sep 03 2014 12:38:37 PM
Message:

Another interesting fact: in 1966 year we can see some J-8 fully blacked (experimental?):





like a fully black Orion-15 from 1966:








And serial numbers both it's 661***


Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: Sep 04 2014 09:43:54 AM
Message:

Again there is a J-8M in the I-61 body... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-Fast-USSR-Red-P-JUPITER-8-50-f2-LEICA-FED-Zorki-M39-LTM-Lens-BOX-/361040880990?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item540fb6a55e


Reply author: okynek
Replied on: Sep 04 2014 4:34:22 PM
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This seller have all kind of mix and match lenses,
Lomo T-43 in Fed barrel:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russian-USSR-LOMO-Wide-Angle-M39-LTM-Lens-T-43-4-40-from-Lomography-Cap-/361040306858?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item540fade2aa
Helios 103 with Jupiter 8 parts:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Fast-Portrait-Helios-103-1-8-53-Contax-lens-bundle-uniqe-Adapter-Sony-NEX-/361040299862?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item540fadc756

Good job I personally like these modifications


Reply author: vorobaz
Replied on: Sep 05 2014 11:27:54 AM
Message:

quote:
Originally posted by okynek
...Helios 103 with Jupiter 8 parts


May be conversely? Jupiter 8 has Helios 103 parts:







See the PT3615 http://sovietcams.com/index.php?-1090910983


Reply author: Brian
Replied on: Sep 13 2014 8:50:53 PM
Message:

I've made some of these type of hybrids-

Helios-103, LTM RF coupled using a close-focus helical for a Summar;
I-61L/D in Collapsible Contax RF Count, used a mount from a pre-war Sonnar;
5cm F1.5 Contax mt Sonnars in J-3 LTM Mounts;
5cm f2 Contax mt Sonnars in J-8 LTM Mounts.

And- 5-element Schneider Xenar from Karat mount to LTM, used a Canon 50/2.8 LTM focus mount.This lens was loose, found at a camera show for $30. Serial number is from the 40s.

http://www.leicaplace.com/showthread.php?t=153


Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: Sep 14 2014 05:15:02 AM
Message:

Hi Brian!

Good to see you back!
Thanks for the details about your work: it explains that we can see hybrids (home or factory made) on eBay.

I hope you are not responsible for all!

Amitiés. Jacques.


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