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Vlad Posted - Sep 13 2007 : 09:26:21 AM
Oh my god, Bill! You either have very small hands or this thing is humonngous! :)

Do you know what the 7-0-7 scale is for on rotating cylinder?

Vlad.
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Elmar Lang Posted - May 16 2020 : 04:07:49 AM
quote:
There is no Horizon 205 on the market


Hello Michael,

thank you for your reply.

Actually, I have two examples of this camera, with subtle differences of manufacture.

The first, bought by a colleague from Moscow at a local camera shop.

The second, bought from an italian hobby photographer: a few pieces of the 205 have been imported some years ago by Lino Manfrotto's Company (the maker of the well-known tripods) and merchandised on the Italian market. I don't know how many pieces have been imported/sold though, but this was advertised on local photo magazines, years ago.

As kindly suggested by Juhani, I will put the data of both my 205's in the wiki catalogue. I hope I will get the authorization to drive up to my laboratory, where my photo equipment is stored (we're living complicate times, in Italy, due to the well-known epidemic).

All the best and greetings from Northern Italy,

Enzo

Edit:

searching through my papers at home, I've found the data of my two Horizon-205 "PC":

- the first, complete with its pasport, instructions and invoice, is no. 010038, made in May 2011 and re-checked ("pereproveren") in November 2015 (both dates with "OTK-188" stamp). With invoice and guarantee from "Fotozentr", Moscow, Gogolevsky Blvd., December 19th, 2015.

- the second, a piece imported in Italy by Manfrotto Trading, pity without documents, lost by the preceding owner, an old hobby photographer, is no. 010024.

cedricfan Posted - May 04 2020 : 11:03:11 PM
Enzo, please add your specimen to the wiki catalog

Best regards,
Juhani
europanorama Posted - May 04 2020 : 10:03:17 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

Would love to see the results!


There is no Horizon 205 on the market

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Elmar Lang Posted - Jan 24 2020 : 08:00:24 AM
Hello,

after a very long time, I would like to add some pictures taken with my Horizon-205, during a fine, sunny, early summer day around home.

All taken on Rollei 100 ISO film, Yellow filter constantly mounted.

I apologize for the scans, that are far from being perfect.


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2412020_1.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2412020_2.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2412020_3.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2412020_4.jpg


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2412020_5.jpg

I am quite satisfied with the results and I will experiment more, with different films and weather.

All the best,

Enzo (E.L.)

europanorama Posted - May 24 2016 : 02:49:18 AM
Be very careful when cocking shutter. dont make a mistake.I could test it at photokina. but didnt have enough time. couldnt get a reasonable result. be aware: below 5m-like with widelux 1500-resolution will decrease. Met a friend in youth hostel who told me when he has seen it at the stand camera broke. i can understand. its slow photography. slowly cock the shutter and mount film the right way.
price still around 2300 euro.
If then i would be interested in Pan 120.
these mechanic rotapancams have ONE decisive advantage infront of NOBLEX: when its windy Noblex cannot rotate. or only with uneven rotation. Had both in helicopter.
i know why there is no 1/250. all mechanical rotapan-cams have a problem during start.even if film is shorter that 120mm. some millimeter are overexposed.
would like to know how exactly is filmsize. and we would like to se a comparision shot maybe of a house with and without shift(7mm).
use a cable-release. and tripod. and focussing must be done properly. i could provide DOF-table. if lens has same CoC(sharpness) like Widelux 1500. Z= 1/48. i added marker inbetween distance-scale.
if somone could write my handwritten data into a table.

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Vlad Posted - May 16 2016 : 10:51:16 AM
Would love to see the results!
Elmar Lang Posted - May 16 2016 : 09:15:08 AM
Hello,

thanks to the help of a friend of mine from Moscow, I've just received a Horizon-205 camera (arrived on the past Saturday).

The camera, came complete with its case, filter set of 4, carrying case, instruction booklet and "Pasport". The serial no. is 0100038 and the pasport is dated 05/2011.

I hope I will have the time to test it very soon!

Best wishes,

Enzo - Italy
europanorama Posted - Feb 08 2009 : 5:49:33 PM
the inventor of the shift-mechanism left the cooperation leaving the construction to them. i can only guess why. lacking precision and ignorance to do it right. sorry kmz-zenit. i hope this has already been changed. i have just seen a long report about moscov, almost all about the riches. one has just found out that they need precision/quality. look at dubai, the super-riches. forgot to take care of human pollution(toilets). ultra-stupid.look at the bank-crisis. some swiss analysts who warned early enough were fired...

no -film-cameras will never die. look at new bessa/voigtlaender 67.
good 67 cameras will outbeat any dslr at the moment.
this crisis is a good chance for everybody to learn on all levels, right?

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Zoom Posted - Feb 07 2009 : 4:56:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

totally wrong. horizon s3pro was a big surprise at photokina 04, jan willem markeringk can confirm. he has the best photo-technique-site of the world. we had met at kmz-zenit-stand. i am not sure if s3-pro had not been announced at 02.


See http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/horizon/index.html#horizon-s3

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

horizon 205pc/pan 120 has/had a great potential, if only they had done some things better.


I think that a film cameras died... I don't like this, but this is the fact.
europanorama Posted - Feb 07 2009 : 2:13:41 PM
wikipedia-corrections- additions

i changed some incorrect "facts" in wikipedia horizon and added some true facts.
what nerves me most are incompetent editors of large photomagazines which over and over again over the years publishing incorrect/unsufficient data. but more nerves me incompetent camera-makers, unable/willing to learn. i know panoramic cameras are most complicated to build, thats why precise work is a must. we/me has suffered too much in the last 30 years. yes, 1979 started my horizont-drama. it started when the polish airline had an excuse not to transport my package in inner-polish flight from cracov to warsaw at the promises time/day. no enough space due to blood-conserve.... i must laugh, what a lie. maybe they expected to pay them. we call it: smearing(palm-oil)! i had to retravel to our airport the day after. all details about panorama-dramas(analogue pancams) can be read in my forum at:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/pancams

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europanorama Posted - Feb 07 2009 : 12:29:51 PM
totally wrong. horizon s3pro was a big surprise at photokina 04, jan willem markeringk can confirm. he has the best photo-technique-site of the world. we had met at kmz-zenit-stand. i am not sure if s3-pro had not been announced at 02. i put some informations about total confusion of the shown testshots at photokina 02 or 04.
no precision is a big problem all over the world. not only in photography. precision leads to stability. thats why i am so sad that we photoraphers have to fight to get what we need. you cannot believe how much effort my american panoramic collegues put into producing eighter widepan(in china) and noblex(prototype was electropan by kornelius schorle) since widelux 1500 was bad. our effort to improve widelux 1500 here lead to a production change. until now i dont know anything about horizon 205 pc/pan 120 quality. i have seen two posters, shot under difficult light-situations. i was told that at one photokina parts fell apart.....but this happenend also with zeiss ikon....
if camera-producers would ask their potential customers beforehand and led them test a lot of pain would not happen.
horizons are unique among all rotating pancams. they are mechanical and lightweight. no electric parts to let them work. people complained about noblex(35mm versions) which led to improvements. horizon 205pc/pan 120 has/had a great potential, if only they had done some things better. e.g. lens-quality to get 55mm-image-height. 45mm equivalent compared to noblex/widepan/widelux(50mm) but larger image, smaller ratio.

limited vertical angle and lacking shift is a big problem for panorama-shooting.
thes large russian pancams have at least largest shift of all swinglens cams.
lets hope that digital horizon(panofot d3 ?) will have all we dreamed.
i would not be surprised if it will be a 360-cam rather than short-rotation/swinglens(limited angle 120/140 degr.) the same way we were surprised with the horizon-models (s3-pro etc.) at photokina 04.

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europanorama Posted - Feb 07 2009 : 12:29:24 PM
totally wrong. horizon s3pro was a big surprise at photokina 04, jan willem markeringk can confirm. he has the best photo-technique-site of the world. we had met at kmz-zenit-stand. i am not sure if s3-pro had not been announced at 02. i put some informations about total confusion of the shown testshots at photokina 02 or 04.
no precision is a big problem all over the world. not only in photography. precision leads to stability. thats why i am so sad that we photoraphers have to fight to get what we need. you cannot believe how much effort my american panoramic collegues put into producing eighter widepan(in china) and noblex(prototype was electropan by kornelius schorle) since widelux 1500 was bad. our effort to improve widelux 1500 here lead to a production change. until now i dont know anything about horizon 205 pc/pan 120 quality. i have seen two posters, shot under difficult light-situations. i was told that at one photokina parts fell apart.....but this happenend also with zeiss ikon....
if camera-producers would ask their potential customers beforehand and led them test a lot of pain would not happen.
horizons are unique among all rotating pancams. they are mechanical and lightweight. no electric parts to let them work. people complained about noblex(35mm versions) which led to improvements. horizon 205pc/pan 120 has/had a great potential, if only they had done some things better. e.g. lens-quality to get 55mm-image-height. 45mm equivalent compared to noblex/widepan/widelux(50mm) but larger image, smaller ratio.

limited vertical angle and lacking shift is a big problem for panorama-shooting.
thes large russian pancams have at least largest shift of all swinglens cams.
lets hope that digital horizon(panofot d3 ?) will have all we dreamed.
i would not be surprised if it will be a 360-cam rather than short-rotation/swinglens(limited angle 120/140 degr.) the same way we were surprised with the horizon-models (s3-pro etc.) at photokina 04.

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Zoom Posted - Feb 06 2009 : 10:27:21 AM
quote:
Originally posted by europanorama
not the first time kmz-zenit using existing model-names. see s3-pro(fuji). d3 nikon, roundshot. clever but not very innovative.


At first, an indexes are not patentable...
At second, "Fujifilm FinePix S3 Pro" was first announced on 05.02.2004, but "Horizon S3 pro" in Photokina'2002. So primary "S3 pro" name was first used by KMZ.
Zoom Posted - Feb 06 2009 : 10:18:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by europanorama
you seem to be rather a horizon 205 pc-collector than a high-quality user.


Sorry, I'm not a photographer and not a collector...
europanorama Posted - Feb 05 2009 : 07:58:08 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zoom

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

i had lost a lot of time finding out that panofot is only a prototype which will not be produced.


It is simple... Translate this page (you may translate only a first words): http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/panofot/index.html

quote:

(Panofot)
... (The project of panoramic camera...)



;)

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

maybe panofot d3 is the new digital swinglens cam.


Not swing-lens.
swinglens also new digital "horizont" maybe called panofot d3. not the first time kmz-zenit using existing model-names. see s3-pro(fuji).
d3 nikon, roundshot. clever but not very innovative.

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

but you must understand. i cannot do everything. i started my forum mainly due to the horizon-problem and to help KMZ-zenit to improve.


Say us what a problem Horisons has?
horizon s3-pro- lens not sharp at fstop 16.



quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

kmz-zenit must at least come here and give minimum informations.


;)
What information you needed in?
informations about rotating speeds, production changes, camera improvements. not lies about lens-quality. s3-pro=sharper lens than 202

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

horizon 205 pc-despite the fact that this camere has been on the market since quite a long time, also pan-120, why cant we see highresolution-testfiles? is it so difficult to shoot and scan?


It is interesting for me: what you will do with this gigabyte file? What for it is necessary to you?


highest quality prints. miles above digital cams.

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europanorama Posted - Feb 05 2009 : 07:45:36 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zoom

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

to sell ultralarge, razorsharp panoramaposters without carrying heavy roundshots.


Sorry, but you didn't answer my question... For what these high-resolution test files are necessary to you?



you seem to be rather a horizon 205 pc-collector than a high-quality user.
it lasted several years until one of the horizon s3 pro-user confirmed that its new lens was bad at fstop 16. it must be replaced by 202-lens.
if you dont need quality you can use a holga. or horizon kompakt

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europanorama Posted - Feb 05 2009 : 07:42:03 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zoom

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

how about precision? if you even cannot write the model name properly, how can you really be interested in horizon 205 pc? ...


To whom have you been talking? ;)

About name: http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-names.html#horizon




you still are uncapable to write the true camera-name.
But very few people buys Horizon-205.

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Zoom Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 11:21:53 AM
quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

to sell ultralarge, razorsharp panoramaposters without carrying heavy roundshots.


Sorry, but you didn't answer my question... For what these high-resolution test files are necessary to you?
europanorama Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 03:10:42 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zoom

It is interesting for me: what you will do with this gigabyte file? What for it is necessary to you?


to sell ultralarge, razorsharp panoramaposters without carrying heavy roundshots.

michael przewrocki

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europanorama Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 03:01:58 AM
all about horizon-problems in my forum.
http://forums.delphiforums.com/pancams/start

large pancams for those who need ultralarge razorsharp posters.

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Zoom Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 2:01:33 PM
quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

i had lost a lot of time finding out that panofot is only a prototype which will not be produced.


It is simple... Translate this page (you may translate only a first words): http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/panofot/index.html

quote:

(Panofot)
... (The project of panoramic camera...)



;)

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

maybe panofot d3 is the new digital swinglens cam.


Not swing-lens.

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

but you must understand. i cannot do everything. i started my forum mainly due to the horizon-problem and to help KMZ-zenit to improve.


Say us what a problem Horisons has?

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

kmz-zenit must at least come here and give minimum informations.


;)
What information you needed in?

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

horizon 205 pc-despite the fact that this camere has been on the market since quite a long time, also pan-120, why cant we see highresolution-testfiles? is it so difficult to shoot and scan?


It is interesting for me: what you will do with this gigabyte file? What for it is necessary to you?
europanorama Posted - Jun 15 2008 : 09:50:45 AM
1. why cant someone of the russians here find out who is responsive for communication.

mr manchuk who was capable is now responsible for the personal. e.g. i had lost a lot of time finding out that panofot is only a prototype which will not be produced. btw: maybe panofot d3 is the new digital swinglens cam. i know sowjetunion and russia is not tiny switzerland and bigger is more complicated. maybe they are currently undergoing main structure-changes. but you must understand. i cannot do everything. i started my forum mainly due to the horizon-problem and to help KMZ-zenit to improve.
but i dont see any improvements yet. even not for the simplest communication one. kmz-zenit must at least come here and give minimum informations. digital pancams are important but mechanical ones too.
btw: arent they developping their own chip.
horizon 205 pc-despite the fact that this camere has been on the market since quite a long time, also pan-120, why cant we see highresolution-testfiles? is it so difficult to shoot and scan?
i have some tests made at silvestri-stand but they are not good enough. test-setup was bad. they didnt allow taking it out and interrupted testing.....

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Vlad Posted - Jun 14 2008 : 8:51:17 PM
Hello Michael,

First of all - welcome to USSRPhoto forums! and second, I am totally lost with your last post that you made... are you asking a question or are you making a statement? As Bill said we are in no way affiliated with any Soviet or Russian manufacturer, I am trying to understand your point but so far unsuccessfully..

Best regards,
Vlad
nightphoto Posted - Jun 14 2008 : 8:10:02 PM
Michael,
I don't think there is anyone reading this forum that can build you a KMZ camera or correct whatever data you want corrected! This is a collectors and users forum ... not the KMZ factory.
And, in general, if you want something, it is much better to ask for it nicely! And ... nothing is "forever" ;-)


Regards, Bill

Zoom Posted - Jun 14 2008 : 5:33:59 PM
quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

moscovphoto is selling a horizon 205 pc with 55x 110mm.


Who is this "moscovphoto"?..

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

zenit! how about correcting this forever?


What data do you like to "correct forever"?

quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

i asked to give me informations about new horizon s3-pro-production.
...

i want one...


Why you don't send a request to KMZ directly?
europanorama Posted - Jun 13 2008 : 6:00:08 PM
http://www.zenit.istra.ru/archive/horizon/index.html
50x110mm

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europanorama Posted - Jun 12 2008 : 8:12:33 PM
moscovphoto is selling a horizon 205 pc with 55x 110mm. given me the zenit-istra-link with data. zenit! how about correcting this forever?
i asked to give me informations about new horizon s3-pro-production. i want one with same lens-quality like ho 202. sharp for all apertures from 8 to 16.
i want a special s3-pro(or two) with lens set to infinity. for 3d-stereo-work.why? i will explain elsewhere in a ho s3-pro-thread.

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europanorama Posted - Mar 31 2008 : 5:22:10 PM
former data-sheet told 55 x 110mm. i received a mail telling me that its indeed 50.5mm. i once tested 205 pc at photokina. i must dig out the negatives the check. one friend told me that the camera fell apart..
but the same also took place with zeiss-ikon...
silvestricamera can tell more about the size-changes. it must have to do with shift-quality-decreasing when 55mm-image would be shown. the changed from +-8 to 7mm.
why it has no 1/250 can also be explained. widepan and widelux 1500(similar design) have the 1/250 as shortest exp. time. at start there is a 3mm overexposure in widepan. the same is in widelux 1500. we tried to improve by setting the start point earlier. it is improved but not yet perfect. maybe we will success. btw: we had exchanged the weights. i had 14 sec. exposure times. but it also slowed down 1/60-speed. for certain indoor-shots with people(fitness-center) it was not the right idea. the were too blurry. maybe having two cameras would be best.

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Zoom Posted - Mar 31 2008 : 11:25:13 AM
quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

wrong filmsize for horizon 205 pc/pan 120 ...
its 55 x110 mm not 50 x 110 mm...


According it Manual:
http://www.zenitcamera.com/mans/horizon-205/horizon-205-eng.html
quote:

Frame format -- 50x110 mm


nightphoto Posted - Mar 29 2008 : 10:40:25 PM
Michael,

I just measured the height and width of my Horizon 205-PC and the size of the image it will make
on the film is exactly 50.5 mm x 110 mm. This is an exact measurement of my camera serial No. 010033,
taken at the film plane.

Regards, Bill

europanorama Posted - Mar 29 2008 : 8:21:48 PM
wrong filmsize for horizon 205 pc/pan 120 here:
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?426797343

its 50.5 x110 mm not 50 x 110 mm thats the main advantage against the others.
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AidasCams Posted - Mar 29 2008 : 01:34:39 AM
quote:
Originally posted by nightphoto


Congratulations Aidas, It is a beauty! Can you tell what year it was made by the serial number on the lens? Mine was made in 2001. I will look forward to see more photos of the camera when you put them on your website. Also thanks for the tip about the photograph of the Bolshoi Ballet members in NYC with all of their various Soviet cameras. I will be getting it soon and will show it to everyone on a post on this forum. Thanks Aidas!

Regards, Bill






Bill,

I'm really happy to have this beautiful camera and the serials of my Pan-120 is extremely close to yours ... #010037! Your images of Horizon-205PC camera are great, so I don't think I have to place some additional ones ...

I'm happy you have obtained this fantastic photograph with Bolshoj Teatr artists! I'm looking forward to see it in our catalogue as soon ...

Best Regards,
Aidas
AidasCams Posted - Mar 29 2008 : 01:28:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

how much did you pay?

could you shoot a test by using shift up and shift down. i would like to stitch both images.
be careful when setting distances. there is not much depth-of-field. e.g. with widelux 1500 i added additional focus-points(inbetween the meters. e.g. two more between 5 and 10m etc.
be aware that below 5m resolution is lower. that is a commun problem with widelux 1500(which i have) and pan 120/horizon 205 pc-cameras. i was told that this lens-problem da ben solved in widepan. in noblex sharpness is perfect for any distance. i tested it.
50mm lens with so much shift(+-7mm) and images-height of 55mm is much impressive, which makes pan 120/horizon 205 pc unique.
50mm with 55mm image-height equals 45.45mm on a 50mm image-camera like noblex/widelux/widepan with their 50mm/50mm combination.
use a tripod when testing the camera. and make a shooting-checklist otherwise you will have double-exposures.
i have a depth-of-field-table for widelux 1500. i could provide it if you wish. since it has the same 50mm-lens and possibly the same coc(circle of confusion) it can be used for eigher camera.
i have only seen a nightshot-poster at photokina and an earlier daylight-shot-under not perfect light-conditions.

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Michael,

thanks for your advises indeed! Unfortunately I'm collector, not active camera user, so don't expect camera test results from me ...

About camera price ... I have already answered your question in previous records of particular topics ...

Best Regards,
Aidas
AidasCams Posted - Mar 29 2008 : 01:24:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques M.


Congratulations, Aidas!
Happy for you
By the way, what is the weight of such a camera?

Amitis. Jacques.



Jacques,

Thanks! The weight of particular camera is 3.7 kg ...
AidasCams Posted - Mar 29 2008 : 01:22:12 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mermoz37

aidas ,
if you will see another for such a price ...please tell me !



Alain,

I will tell you obviously ...
nightphoto Posted - Mar 28 2008 : 10:47:43 PM

Congratulations Aidas, It is a beauty! Can you tell what year it was made by the serial number on the lens? Mine was made in 2001. I will look forward to see more photos of the camera when you put them on your website. Also thanks for the tip about the photograph of the Bolshoi Ballet members in NYC with all of their various Soviet cameras. I will be getting it soon and will show it to everyone on a post on this forum. Thanks Aidas!

Regards, Bill

europanorama Posted - Mar 28 2008 : 10:34:57 PM
how much did you pay?

could you shoot a test by using shift up and shift down. i would like to stitch both images.
be careful when setting distances. there is not much depth-of-field. e.g. with widelux 1500 i added additional focus-points(inbetween the meters. e.g. two more between 5 and 10m etc.
be aware that below 5m resolution is lower. that is a commun problem with widelux 1500(which i have) and pan 120/horizon 205 pc-cameras. i was told that this lens-problem da ben solved in widepan. in noblex sharpness is perfect for any distance. i tested it.
50mm lens with so much shift(+-7mm). 55m was wrong 50.5mm is true.
use a tripod when testing the camera. and make a shooting-checklist otherwise you will have double-exposures.
i have a depth-of-field-table for widelux 1500. i could provide it if you wish. since it has the same 50mm-lens and possibly the same coc(circle of confusion) it can be used for eigher camera.
i have only seen a nightshot-poster at photokina and an earlier daylight-shot-under not perfect light-conditions.

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Jacques M. Posted - Mar 28 2008 : 5:20:40 PM

Congratulations, Aidas!
Happy for you
By the way, what is the weight of such a camera?

Amitis. Jacques.
mermoz37 Posted - Mar 28 2008 : 12:14:01 PM
aidas ,
if you will see another for such a price ...please tell me !
AidasCams Posted - Mar 28 2008 : 11:28:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

Aidas - bravo! I see you are getting into more and more serious pieces lately! Reporter, Pan-120, Siluet...

Vlad



Vlad,
Thanks for your assistance in aquiring this ... ! Unfortunately I already possess a lot of common FSU cameras, so only rarer ones on my target now ... Only please - say nothing to her ...

Best Regards,
Aidas
AidasCams Posted - Mar 28 2008 : 11:24:25 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mermoz37

compliments Aidas ...lucky man !
alain


(psssttt ...how much ? )



Alain,

Thanks! I have nothing to hide ... I have paid half a price of the new Horizon-205 PC ...
Vlad Posted - Mar 28 2008 : 10:30:42 AM
Aidas - bravo! I see you are getting into more and more serious pieces lately! Reporter, Pan-120, Siluet...

Vlad
mermoz37 Posted - Mar 28 2008 : 10:26:57 AM
compliments Aidas ...lucky man !
alain


(psssttt ...how much ? )
AidasCams Posted - Mar 28 2008 : 09:56:20 AM
Happy to say, that Pan-120 (export version of Horizon-205 PC) today arrived safely to me from Sweden! While beeing a big man, this camera doesn't seems as matchboxes when hanging on my neck ...


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/pan-120.jpg

Regards,
Aidas

Vlad Posted - Mar 22 2008 : 09:49:05 AM
Not too shabby! Thanks Zoom! Good to have this information.

Vlad
cedricfan Posted - Mar 22 2008 : 03:34:59 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Zoom

quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

what is a factory price of such camera?


You are interesting in the Horizon-205 price?
Approx. 40000 Rubles.
But better to ask kmz207@zenit.istra.ru


1 163,80 EUR says my currency converter

Smena rules
Zoom Posted - Mar 21 2008 : 6:55:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Vlad

what is a factory price of such camera?


You are interesting in the Horizon-205 price?
Approx. 40000 Rubles.
But better to ask kmz207@zenit.istra.ru


Zoom Posted - Mar 21 2008 : 4:50:41 PM
quote:
Originally posted by europanorama

how about precision? if you even cannot write the model name properly, how can you really be interested in horizon 205 pc? ...


To whom have you been talking? ;)

About name: http://www.zenitcamera.com/qa/qa-names.html#horizon
Vlad Posted - Mar 21 2008 : 4:36:58 PM
Zoom, what is a factory price of such camera? I'm just curious...

Thank you!
Vlad.
europanorama Posted - Mar 21 2008 : 3:29:28 PM
how about precision? if you even cannot write the model name properly, how can you really be interested in horizon 205 pc? i was told 3 pcs are being produced per months. if they could give out a good working model for a test then they could sell much more. or show a precise test. why is this so difficult? kmz-zenit. if nothing is done nothing will come back.
precision-which is also an issue in kmz-zenit-production.
if we do not pressure them we will never see perfectly working cameras!
just a little bit of precision is not enough for rotating lens pancams. i can tell you stories beginning in 1979 with horizont, then horizon 202 and finally s3-pro. and badly produced widelux 1500- thats why noblex started camera-production. we have been waiting for ho 205 pc since 1988....even in march 1981 when in accidentally was in moskov i was told that 3 pan-cameras were in production. but they didnt tell me which neighter they helped me solve the light-fall-in-problem in horizont. it is faith of this camera said foto-tass. technointorg even did not meet me. i had phone-contact from nearby hotel(beograd).
when s3-pro was in repair for the lens-problem i asked what they changed-if the lens has the same good quality like in 202 i was told it is looking similar. similar? we want perfect lenses in horizon-pancams. for horizon kompakt we can only ask which market has asked for a crippled camera? the kompakt is a joke not for serious panoramic photographers. widelux 1500 already has only 3 exposure times but fstops from 2.8 upwards. those limited 3 exposures is already a mess. how much a mess is a kompakt with so little possibilities. ii see at the end we will have to produce our own perfect lens for horizon s3-pro having the same quality like noblex over widelux. similar like the luxury model technopan with all exposure times.

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