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Brian
USA
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 Posted - Jan 25 2015 : 07:40:04 AM
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| the Tap: the small hole seen in the first image near the "4" in the rear fixture. This hole is not present in the LTM version of the wartime Sonnars, is only present in the Contax version. The Contax mount has a set screw at the rear of the mount to hold the optical fixture into the mount. The LTM version is simply screwed into the focus mount. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 25 2015 : 09:38:18 AM
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Thanks, Brian. I'm going to check my LTM Sonnars...
I understand it is the same for the 2/5cm, including the collapsible ones?
Jacques. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jan 25 2015 : 4:22:06 PM
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After checking, my two LTM wartime 2/5cm collapsible Sonnars have too this famous screw set to hold the lens barrel into the mount...
Jacques.
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Brian
USA
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Posted - Jan 26 2015 : 10:03:07 AM
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If you ever have to disassemble a CZJ Sonnar "T": the German finished lenses also have a hidden set screw to hold the front namering in place, but the ZK lenses and J-3's do not. SO: if the namering "fights back" when being removed, remove the aperture ring to look for a set screw. The German finished lenses also use a set screw to hold the rear fixture into the main barrel. The ZK and J-3 did not use them. This set screw goes through the main optics barrel into the threads of the rear fixture.
This is with the "newest" 1950 J-3, wide-open on the Monochrom.
Performance matches my original 1943 Zeiss 5cm F1.5 Sonnar T. "Because it is one"...The J-3 focus mount is improved over the original Zeiss Sonnar focus mount. |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Feb 27 2015 : 07:35:35 AM
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Originally posted by cedricfan
A very early "normal-sized" Smena-5 but still with the ugly paint 
I wonder how many Smena-5 survived to this day. I think most of the 120000 pieces were burried in the garbage can many years ago. |
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Milo Schekkerman
Valkir1987
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Posted - Feb 27 2015 : 12:07:04 PM
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I wonder how many Smena-5 survived to this day. I think most of the 120000 pieces were burried in the garbage can many years ago
The Smena is a very underestimated camera in my opinion. It could both be used as a day trip camera, or a camera for people with interest in photograpy. Many people in the east shot their daily life with these simple camera's, thats why they still have them. |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
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Posted - Feb 28 2015 : 12:04:58 AM
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Originally posted by LennyI wonder how many Smena-5 survived to this day. I think most of the 120000 pieces were burried in the garbage can many years ago.
And about 11 versions, which makes the amount of each version small.
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Feb 28 2015 : 07:43:28 AM
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Originally posted by cedricfan
And about 11 versions, which makes the amount of each version small.
Good day Juhani,
you mean the 11 versions on sovietcams.com, right. There is another variant you can see on fotoua.com type 3b, a monochrome top without rim. But sometimes Alex used photos of different cameras to describe the same type, which is not good. So there might be at least 12 versions of Smena-5. |
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Feb 28 2015 : 07:51:30 AM
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Originally posted by cedricfan
A very early "normal-sized" Smena-5 but still with the ugly paint
Which paint do you mean Juhani? Your #018339 looks like to have the speckled top. Or was the speckled top even painted?
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Feb 28 2015 : 7:15:46 PM
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The Smena-5 type 3b on fotoua.com I mentioned above is the #090101. This variant isn't shown on sovietcams.com. There is another variant not shown on Aidas' site, you can find it still in the collection of Alex Komarov on fotoua, #014313. But it's already sold and Alex will delete this #014313 by time which is not good. Alex has both, #014313 and #090101 listed as type 3b, but they are little different and their serials are also far apart. #014313 has the speed 125 written on top while it's missing on the #090101. Aperature on #014314 is 16 while it's 22 on #090101. So there should be at least 13 versions of Smena-5.
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Mar 12 2015 : 10:28:31 PM
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| Always nice to see such rare things with an original leather case. Thank you very much. Does the selftime-lever have a nut on the backside? |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Mar 13 2015 : 04:27:02 AM
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Ha!
Bravo, Alexey!
Congratulations for the Industar 17 !!!
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
1871 Posts
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Posted - Mar 13 2015 : 05:23:05 AM
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At first glance I felt the Júpiter 17 ss being with the same câmera number with na addition of a zero
after I saw two "6" numbers instead of "0"
Cheers!
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
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Posted - Mar 13 2015 : 05:24:54 AM
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| another curiosity is the Kiev type self-timer with tht modern type lever (short type) |
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Mar 13 2015 : 07:10:36 AM
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| Jupiter-8 has 6 elements in 3 groups, Jupiter-17 has 5/4. Obviously KMZ tried to make a cheaper version. On sovietcams.com is a Jupiter-17 #5301285 shown. It seems KMZ tried to find a better solution for some time. I assume there must be some different versions of Jupiter-17 and this #5400040 could be the last. |
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
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Posted - Mar 13 2015 : 6:40:02 PM
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tHE JUPITER 17 WAS AN ERROR. IT SAVED ONE ELEMENT BUT RESULTS WERE POOR AND MANUFACTURING COSTS DID NOT APPEAR IN SCALE PROCUCTION.
lEITZ ALSO MADE ELCAN WHICH WERE SUMMICRONS 6 (THERE WERE SUMMICRONS 7) WITH ONLY FIVE ELEMENTS. RESULTS WERE NOT PLEASANT.
UNEXPLAINABLE THINGS OF TECHOLOGY.
REGARDS
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Mar 14 2015 : 12:00:12 AM
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Hola Luiz,
sovietcams.com also show a Jupiter-16, an earlier prototype from 1952. The optical scheme looks like 8/3 but they describe it as 6/4. This type must be even more expensive than the Jupiter-8. It seems KMZ tried to find better solutions, first to improve quality and later to cut costs, but in the end they couldn't compete with japanese products like many other countries too. |
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Pierre Tizien
Moxies
France
183 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 15 2015 : 05:57:48 AM
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Finaly arrived at home
Already found friends...
Also got this early glass some days ago
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Mar 18 2015 : 2:02:16 PM
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Originally posted by cedricfan
And one more, #041955 so PK2330 in Aidas catalogue
Hi Juhani,
I think it must be PK2325 because it is painted. Interesting that the surface on the frontside has a different texture than on the backside. Sad that there was no hood. I really like this solution with a protectable hood. Too bad on other Smenas they didn't care to keep the screw on the shutter to attach a hood. They could have sold millions of hoods later. |
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Mar 19 2015 : 3:09:24 PM
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Good day Juhani,
interesting to know about your #041966 would be the color under the paint, if the plastic is monochrome or speckled. There are some places where the paint is already lost. Interesting because the #014313 (ex-Alex) is monochrome too, but all monochromes should be younger with a higher serial number to make sense in the timeline. Could be the monochrome #014313 lost all the paint already, then the lower serial number would make sense in the timeline. Maybe your #041966 is monochrome under the paint too.
I like your speckled #018339 much more, it's my favorite version of Smena-5 (PK2330), hope to find one too. |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Apr 02 2015 : 11:37:50 AM
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This one should arrive in some days:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/242015_Zorki 1b early.jpg
An early Zorki 1b (s/n 11072), with the speed dial of the Fed-Zorki and 1a. And the correct lens.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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levonsa
levonsa
Russia
248 Posts |
Posted - Apr 02 2015 : 2:10:58 PM
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Jacques!
My congratulations! Excellent Zorki!
My two early cameras Zorki ¹8xxx and ¹9xxx already have a standard late head extracts. |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
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Posted - Apr 03 2015 : 01:32:17 AM
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Originally posted by Lenny
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Originally posted by cedricfan
And one more, #041955 so PK2330 in Aidas catalogue
Hi Juhani,
I think it must be PK2325 because it is painted. Interesting that the surface on the frontside has a different texture than on the backside.
Changed the pictures to better ones, and took a loser study of the camera.
The texture of black parts: actually I didn't even notice it before. And also the "unpainted granular" example has a bit different textured front and back. Were these made ultimate cheap, most likely?
And yes, I have a bit problematic with speckled, painted, granular etc. Silver-Grey hammer painted is PK2325. And yes, Blue-Black ones may have been painted when they left the fctory.
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
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Posted - Apr 03 2015 : 01:35:34 AM
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Originally posted by Lenny
Good day Juhani,
interesting to know about your #041966 would be the color under the paint, if the plastic is monochrome or speckled. There are some places where the paint is already lost. Interesting because the #014313 (ex-Alex) is monochrome too, but all monochromes should be younger with a higher serial number to make sense in the timeline. Could be the monochrome #014313 lost all the paint already, then the lower serial number would make sense in the timeline. Maybe your #041966 is monochrome under the paint too.
I like your speckled #018339 much more, it's my favorite version of Smena-5 (PK2330), hope to find one too.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/342015_DSCF1626xxxx.JPG
It is blue/black-speckled under the paint.
Why? Was it looking too ugly and didn't sell, not even in USSR?
Did someone invent, that the similarly painted "Krystall" sold better?
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Apr 03 2015 : 06:48:43 AM
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Originally posted by cedricfan
It is blue/black-speckled under the paint.
Why? Was it looking too ugly
Thank you so much for the photos Juhani.
Unbelievable, they thought the speckled ones are ugly. But good that they didn't use sandpaper on the speckled surface to make the paint stick better. So this #041966 is like wine, it will get better with the years.
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Lenny
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Posted - Apr 03 2015 : 07:04:27 AM
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Originally posted by Jacques M.
An early Zorki 1b (s/n 11072), with the speed dial of the Fed-Zorki and 1a. And the correct lens.
It also still has the wind-knob with the finer surface which I like much more. Nearly all the vulcanite is complete and it's not painted or covered with shoe-polish. |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Apr 03 2015 : 08:35:59 AM
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Thanks, Alexey.
So, your two cameras seem late 1a zorki rather than early 1b, by the serial numbers!
It's not easy to find these cameras, now...
To Lenny: sure, I will check the tip of the rangefinder and these famous bolts as soon as I have it!
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Apr 03 2015 : 10:48:57 AM
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Originally posted by Jacques M.
Thanks, Alexey.
So, your two cameras seem late 1a zorki rather than early 1b, by the serial numbers!
To Lenny: sure, I will check the tip of the rangefinder and these famous bolts as soon as I have it!
Hi Jacques,
yes these tension-setting-screws should also be a classificator to determine if it's a Zorki-1a or Zorki-1b, but most of the times they can't be seen on photos. I'm sure you will find 4-sided-nuts on your #11072.
I don't know which kind of nuts Alexey's Zorkis have, but his #09xxx with the new Zorki shutter-knob should have 4-sided-nuts also, it's an early Zorki-1b.
Then there is the PM1035 #09314 with the old Fed shutter-knob but it has 4-sided-nuts.
Alexey's #08xxx with the old Fed shutter-knob would be interesting to see without the baseplate. |
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Miguel Curado
mtcurado
Portugal
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Apr 08 2015 : 03:43:23 AM
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Originally posted by mtcurado
Gomz Sport #1329 has moved to Portugal :)
Congrats Miguel,
your Sport looks like it wasn't used much. Does it work?
The yellow Logo is so cute, wish I had that in yellow on my Smena too.
Does it also have a serial number on the shutter cage like on PK0655? I guess the PK0655 is #9060 and not #0906, depending on from which side it is read. But PK0655 has only 2 screws on the top, same like your Sport, so it should be a later version.
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Miguel Curado
mtcurado
Portugal
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Posted - Apr 08 2015 : 04:21:08 AM
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Thank you Lenny!
The GOMZ logo is almost holographic! I don't have any other camera with such an eye-catching logo. It is specially amazing considering the period and the origin.
The camera is cosmetically OK and seems to work fine: tested the speeds and they seem coherent. Mirror and internal optics are clean and the lens is also clean and sharp. Of course so far tested without film, need to find a practical way to make a cartridge fit in there (anybody did this?). The center of the spool is too wide for a modern canister (if all else fails, will use the original canister, but then need a dark rook, which at present I don't have).
The only issue with it is that the D-ring latch on the base is broken, but that does not affect shooting.
Serials: nothing on the body interior or exterior, only the lens.
According to the types at ussrcameras.ru the camera looks like a type 6 and the lens a type 2. It looks like PK0650 at sovietcams.com, but the leather case is different.
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Originally posted by Lenny
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Originally posted by mtcurado
Gomz Sport #1329 has moved to Portugal :)
Congrats Miguel,
your Sport looks like it wasn't used much. Does it work?
The yellow Logo is so cute, wish I had that in yellow on my Smena too.
Does it also have a serial number on the shutter cage like on PK0655? I guess the PK0655 is #9060 and not #0906, depending on from which side it is read. But PK0655 has only 2 screws on the top, same like your Sport, so it should be a later version.
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Apr 08 2015 : 07:22:10 AM
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Hola Miguel,
I see, you have the older leather-case. Maybe someone wanted to have the newer case and newer lens at that time. It's just opposite to what collectors are searching now. At that time people always would want to have the newest stuff.
If you really want to shoot, I think you need to work with the original film-container, because there is no rewind-system. Turn off the lights and do it under a big blanket and don't forget to take your watch off. |
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Miguel Curado
mtcurado
Portugal
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Posted - Apr 08 2015 : 10:43:26 AM
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Thank you for the advice. I like to shoot all the cameras that I have :)
I may first try to cut a little the inner part of a commercial 35mm cartridge, to fit the axis.
The 'no rewind' issue is not very serious, because I can take the metal cartridge to the photo lab.
Body lens matching: nr 2896 seems to have the same configuration, see
http://interesnoevse.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/perviy-zerkalniy-fotoapparat-sport-v-sssr.jpg
Back to the no rewind: the engineers seem to have had lots of issues deciding how to handle the film, have a look at this 1936 article from "Soviet photo"
http://www.photohistory.ru/Sport-camera.html
They didn't expect standard cartridges to be the future and didn't use an existing format. When Kodak launched 35mm cartridges for the Retina 117 they made sure that they had backwards compatibility with Leica and Contax. Gomz engineers missed this point.
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Lenny
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Posted - Apr 08 2015 : 11:26:01 AM
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Originally posted by mtcurado
Body lens matching: nr 2896 seems to have the same configuration
When Kodak launched 35mm cartridges for the Retina 117 they made sure that they had backwards compatibility with Leica and Contax. Gomz engineers missed this point.
Hola Miguel,
I see you are really into these Sports. Your #1329 looks so much better than #2896. I saw another Sport on ebay from Leicashop #2454 and it looks also not so good as yours.
I doubt that Kodak would have tried to be compatible with GOMZ at that time. |
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Miguel Curado
mtcurado
Portugal
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Apr 08 2015 : 11:14:44 PM
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What especially fascinates me in these Sports is how many are still left, and even in working condition. Mine was reasonably priced also.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/842015_GOMZ Sport.JPG
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Lenny
496 Posts |
Posted - Apr 09 2015 : 03:59:26 AM
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Originally posted by mtcurado
Found the most interesting variant for sale at molotok.ru,
it has a rewind knob!!!!
A rewind knob to use a normal film-cartridge? Maybe a modification not from the GOMZ factory. Then the drum with the teeth which sets the frames on the film must be unlocked. Is it needed to shoot the rest of the film frame for frame on normal Sports if you want to change the film? |
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Miguel Curado
mtcurado
Portugal
19 Posts
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Apr 17 2015 : 11:35:26 AM
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Welcome to the owners club :)
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
1871 Posts
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Lenny
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Pierre Tizien
Moxies
France
183 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Apr 22 2015 : 4:01:38 PM
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Just received this KOMZ Jupiter-11 with not usual serial number...
Also received this not very common Tair-11T
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
1871 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Apr 23 2015 : 9:26:38 PM
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Lenny
Yes I know this tale.. It is completely true I knew that several years ago from a man who was at Leningrad in the siege years. fortunatedly he could sacpe.
Regards
LP |
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Miguel Curado
mtcurado
Portugal
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Posted - Apr 28 2015 : 2:50:52 PM
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Well, Lenny, I think somebody read your thoughts and did a really thorough job - look at what I found for sale in China:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.12.nmpjyW&id=25985200153&ns=1&abbucket=16#detail
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2842015_T2R3wlXmRXXXXXXXXX_!!57705193.jpg
(image from the Chinese equivalent to ebay, Taobao.com, don't know what their usage policies are)
The seller never mentions the modification, so the work must be pretty good and look "natural" to somebody not familiar with the Sport.
The asking price is ridiculously high, 30.0000 yuan :)
If this was a pre-war factory modification, then it is a historical camera, but it looks like the parts have Soviet post-war aesthetics borrowed from the looks of pre-war Contax II and III.
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Originally posted by Lenny
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Originally posted by mtcurado
Found the most interesting variant for sale at molotok.ru,
it has a rewind knob!!!!
A rewind knob to use a normal film-cartridge? Maybe a modification not from the GOMZ factory. Then the drum with the teeth which sets the frames on the film must be unlocked. Is it needed to shoot the rest of the film frame for frame on normal Sports if you want to change the film?
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2842015_
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Edited by - mtcurado on Apr 28 2015 2:53:49 PM |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Apr 28 2015 : 3:13:57 PM
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Hello,
That becomes a bit entangled and difficult to follow, I think.
It would be probably interesting to open separate threads to discuss specially about a camera.
For example, about this GOMZ Sport, a very original camera which would need that...
Only my twopence. 
Jacques. |
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