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Jacques M.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
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My Collection
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 Posted - Jun 26 2024 : 11:39:50 AM
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Jacques,
that sounds crazy. There are supposed to have been cameras that were produced on the way to Berdsk? Unbelievable somehow.
But what is interesting and new to me is that the cameras from number 166617 onwards were probably produced in Berdsk. I have one with the number 169520 with matching lens no. 169428. 22/IV is engraved on the inside of the shutter, which fits very well with the statement in Viktor Suglob's book (February - October 1942). So it seems that I have a FED 1d from Berdsk, wow :-)
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Jun 26 2024 : 4:43:23 PM
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Yes Ulrich.
It's just the problem. Could the cameras from # 166617 have been made in Berdsk? For the moment, we thought here that (almost?) all the cameras up to the 183xxx, so including all the last 1d and (most of?) the 1e were made in Kharkov before the "removal" of september 1941.
So, is there a reason why "1200 cameras..." states about these late 1d made up to 1942, and the 1e made in 1946/47 in the pages 379 and 380?
Still perplex...
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Fred_L
France
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Posted - Jun 27 2024 : 11:19:40 AM
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Hello my friends...
What to think about my 166206 with 15912 lens???
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Jun 28 2024 : 08:45:21 AM
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For the moment, I don't know if there is something new to think, Fred... There are no visible modifications in the last subseries of Fed 1d (from c. 150000), and nothing different in their description in "1200 cameras..."
So, an explanation by Viktor Suglob would be certainly useful.
Vlad, please... Perhaps?
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jul 10 2024 : 1:15:06 PM
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Jacques,
so, now I have also received such a strange FED here. It has the serial number 165553 with a matching lens with the number 164785.
Compared to my 169520 I see absolutely no difference, both cameras look identical. Even the lens cap is the same (large, deeply embossed FED name).
The vulcanite looks the same, the engraving on the cap looks the same. The only difference is that all the body screws have a much flatter head, still slightly curved, but not as much as on the FEDs. The best thing is that all the screws look like new, so it has obviously never been opened. As far as I can see, 20/III or 20/II is engraved on the inside of the case. But I won't be able to see it more precisely until I take it apart.
Ulrich
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Ulrich W.
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Dec 08 2024 : 07:39:06 AM
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Your remark about the screws is very interesting, Ulrich.
The internal date (20/III) corresponds to 1941, and seems OK for the s/n 165553.
The same for your 169520 with 22/IV inside.
But we have in the wiki the s/n 168018 (inside the 166617-172385 range) with its passport dated the 18/06/41, from Kharkov Lesopark 54... That one should not have been made at Berdsk.
Really, an explanation of somebody who knows would be useful...
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Dec 09 2024 : 03:54:17 AM
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I have just bought the s/n 169580, not far from your 169520, Ulrich.
Just in case. With my 173428 (a 1d too), I will be ready if history changes!
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Dec 13 2024 : 08:10:59 AM
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Bad news here.
I have received the 1d s/n 169580 and it is already partly dismounted.
In fact, the shell doesn't exactly fit the mechanism. It should correspond to a number around 145000, while the mechanism with the upper plate (and the rangefinder) could be original. And of course the six external screws suffered a bit as the holes are not exactly in place...
So, nothing really interesting with this camera.
Just a detail: there is no date on the speedbox. It's just the same on my 164433 and 165898. Curious...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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About the Fed 1d # 165759...
