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Denn_kirov
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
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 Posted - Mar 25 2024 : 12:26:23 PM
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The lens is from Smena. But Smena lens is for 24x36 mm and this camera seems to be half-frame.
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
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Posted - Mar 26 2024 : 05:53:19 AM
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Ocular , exit frame lens and advance mechanics also camera lens and shutter clearly comes from early post war Smenas (up to model 4
the camera has no counter and sports an interesting cover lock
Could it be a prototype?
Regards
I love russin cameras also due these extraordinary surprises!
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Mar 26 2024 : 05:58:28 AM
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seeing more accuratedly I observe some parts similarities with LOMO Report it could be a factory made prototype or a study on feasability of a new model
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Denn_kirov
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Posted - Mar 26 2024 : 1:24:34 PM
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Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo
seeing more accuratedly I observe some parts similarities with LOMO Report it could be a factory made prototype or a study on feasability of a new model
LP
what the LOMO Report, please give me the link. |
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
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Posted - Mar 27 2024 : 12:47:30 PM
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Nothing is even far related to Reporter...
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Denn_kirov
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
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Posted - Mar 31 2024 : 10:52:14 AM
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There is sprockets so it is not 828. But could it be Robot film cartridge?
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Denn_kirov
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Posted - Mar 31 2024 : 12:25:31 PM
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Originally posted by cedricfan
There is sprockets so it is not 828. But could it be Robot film cartridge?
Frame window size 19*13 mm. Coil width inside 33 mm. The film cassettes are not homemade, I don’t know where they could be used. One of the reels contains a piece of film with perforation. The closest thing I found was 28mm film. but I can't find where it could be used. In general, this device is a real mystery to me.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/3132024_1.jpeg
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Apr 03 2024 : 4:32:32 PM
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wow! This is very interesting, too well done for a homemade camera in my opinion, and I looked through a lot of similar cameras made elsewhere to see if there are any elements that could've been repurposed, I haven't found anything even close to this. Definitely a cool find!! If it's homemade, it's VERY WELL DONE! Definitely a nice camera for collection, congratulations!
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Vladislav Kern
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Posted - Apr 03 2024 : 4:33:12 PM
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| It almost looks like a precursor for Vesna, but I do not want to speculate. |
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Denn_kirov
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
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Posted - Apr 04 2024 : 09:52:43 AM
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The film cassette might be the key to solve this mystery. Yes, it looks like a crude prototype of Vesna, or someone homemade a camera looking like it from Smena-parts. But if homemade, where is the film cassette from?
The 28 mm we can leave out: "In 1912 Pathé introduced 28mm film.
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
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Posted - Apr 04 2024 : 11:23:17 AM
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This is very interesting, no matter how I try to find the film no luck...
"One of the reels contains a piece of film with perforation"
Is there similar perforation on both sides? And is it like 35mm film has?
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Denn_kirov
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Posted - Apr 04 2024 : 11:49:50 AM
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Originally posted by cedricfan
Is there similar perforation on both sides? And is it like 35mm film has?
The film was perforated on one side! A piece of film is stuck to the reel. I was unable to save it. It crumbled when trying to separate it from the coil. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
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Posted - Apr 04 2024 : 11:52:01 AM
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Denn,
What a beautiful restoration. Great job! But unfortunately I can't help with the identification either.
Ulrich
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
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Posted - Apr 04 2024 : 10:17:09 PM
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take a look at the 35mm standard film dimensions
It is easy to obtain a 28mm film
but sprockets run a full turn of 8 perforations
film will be invariably wasted
Regards
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/442024_35mm film.png
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Denn_kirov
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Posted - Apr 05 2024 : 12:44:01 AM
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Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo
take a look at the 35mm standard film dimensions
It is easy to obtain a 28mm film
That's understandable. It is important that the cassettes in this camera are factory-made, not homemade. The question is where they were used. I do not know cameras for 28 mm film. However, the mechanisms used in this camera are ALL factory-made. There are no traces of manual machining.
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Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo
but sprockets run a full turn of 8 perforations
film will be invariably wasted
Note the locking mechanism. In full-frame Smena the stopper has a single tab and the star makes a full revolution, rewinding the full frame. In the camera under discussion, the lock has two tabs and the star makes a half turn, rewinding half a frame.
The main question is whether this is a factory prototype or a quality homemade one.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/542024_111.jpg
Once again, please note. The rewind mechanism and film cassettes are factory installed. So they must have been used somewhere. But I am not aware of any cameras with such a film format. 28 mm format is obsolete and long forgotten, and was not used in photography.
There are more and more questions.
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
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Posted - Apr 05 2024 : 11:23:55 AM
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Extremely interesting! If homemade, by a very skilled technician. But would such make a this simple camera, with hard to use film? I doubt.
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
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Posted - Apr 05 2024 : 11:56:28 AM
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Mr Kirov
Thanks for the now clear demonstrative picture. At the first one I couldn't see the two teeths in the internal wheel.
but the sprokets are indeed from Smena (8 teeths and internal spring is revesed once the film runs reversely.
the size of the sprocket wheel forces the normal perforation spacement.
Being so, a way to obtain the 28mm width is easy, having a cutter the same way as F-21 and others
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Denn_kirov
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Posted - Apr 06 2024 : 02:40:35 AM
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Managed to get the history of the camera straightened out. I tracked down the son of the former owner of the camera. He told me that his father had made this camera in about 1966 according to some drawings using elements of two other cameras, one of which was quite old and not Soviet. Unfortunately he doesn't remember what kind of camera it was. His father made the body out of leftover fiberglass in his spare time at the factory, apparently using some kind of equipment.
The film, as suggested above, was made manually by cutting a standard 35 mm film. The machine was rarely used, because of the difficulty of developing such film, there were no developing tanks for this format. |
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