Kiev 4 "T" camera
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Topic author: jed
Posted on: 20160906163023
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Reply author: Alfa2
Replied on: 20160907085309
What is the difference between lens/camera with and without "T" ?
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20160907090206
Hi,
I don't know....
LTM Jupiter 8 can be found with s/n "T". Very uncommon.
First time I see a Kiev camera with that letter plus matching lens.
Best,
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20160907091033
This is a Tropical version on the lens, it's made with humidity resistant materials and sealing.
Vlad
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20160907094248
Hi Vlad !
Thanks. So a tropical Kiev 4 was released by Arsenal. Will add the camera in the wiki !
Jed
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20160907094900
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20160907122542
Actually I have some new information regarding this from Ilya Stolyar. A reliable source connected to Arsenal had told him that this is a Topographical and not a tropical camera/lens made to be used from an airplane.
While it may stand for "Tropical" for KMZ production, for Arsenal it's "Topographical".
Cheers,
Vlad
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20160907154423
Thanks lots Vlad ! Nice to find a very rare camera.
Best,
Jean
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20160907154902
Yes, from what I understand it is very rare indeed, congratulations!
Cheers,
Vlad
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20160907161803
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20160912151602
Thank you Jed! I've fixed the image, you uploaded as file, you need to upload it as "image" in order for it to show up.
Cheers,
Vlad
Reply author: Moxies
Replied on: 20160912172904
Interesting why they used Kiev-4 for topographical purpose, when usualy was used AFA camera with dedicated lenses on large format film.
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20160913070738
First time I see that. It would be interested what what exactly changed for these "T" cameras and Jups.
Congrats, Jed, you are the best![:D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20160913090913
Sometimes checking Kiev serial numbers on ebay auctions is not a waste of time ;)
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20160914132051
Got the camera today !
Great news : lens is different !
It seems that the lens was reformulated (1 element added ?)
Reply author: jed
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Reply author: jed
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Reply author: jed
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20160915120516
Amazing!
Really, it seems that the rear part is bigger than on the normal Jup 8... Would they have put a triplet instead of a doublet?
If possible, could you make a photo comparison between your "T" and a non "T"?
Finally, does this lens work?
Thanks, Jed! [:D]
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20160915123715
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20160915142254
Well It seems that I was wrong :( I've made my comparison with the old Jupiter 8 - My lens is from 1964 so 8M
Reply author: Moxies
Replied on: 20160916100744
So how is it compared to another 8M?
What about weight? It could tell something if weight is different between T and non-T (other metal used)
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20160916115149
I have just found 66g for a 1963 jup 8 and 82g for a 1976 8M, in the same condition as Jed's picts. But probably, it does not mean much: these two lenses are not of the same generation.
Anyway, when I compare them, the dimensions are the same. Only the coatings are really different. And there is on my 8M the same protecting ring as on Jed's one. This ring doesn't exist on the Jup 8.
It's all I can say...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20160916144840
Reply author: jed
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20160916154000
If you compare your two 8M lenses, Jean, are there visible differences concerning the dimensions? The weight?
Except for the coating, of course!
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20160916160844
Hi Jacques,
No visible differences. Will tell about the weight tomorrow ;)
Reply author: Moxies
Replied on: 20160916172427
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by jed</i>
<br />Lens coating in comparison with another J8M :
https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7741/29099831403_092e713d0f_z.jpg
Pierre, I believe you're located in Paris. I may show the lens to you If needed [:)]
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I fear I won't be usefull, I'm not specialist of those rangefinder lenses. But the idea to meet is good, maybe to show each other interestings things [:)]. But again, I have few Kiev and lenses to mount on them [:D]
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20160917044716
Interesting, these screws. On my Kievs, they are always black painted.
Are there other visible differences, if you compare with your other numerous Kievs, Jed?
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20160922035142
Hi,
Jupiter 8m T is 122 g
Jupiter 8M is 129 g
PS : Pierre you're welcome if you like to see my Kiev collection ;)
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20160922053441
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by jed</i>
<br />Hi,
Jupiter 8m T is 122 g
Jupiter 8M is 129 g
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With the mount, I suppose? My measures were without anything.
