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Topic author: Kievuser

Posted on: 20081111012406

Hello,

I saw a black Tair-11-2 133/2.8 recently, but I could not find any information about it. I wonder what is the difference between it and the more common chrome finish Tair-11? Has anyone owned and tried this lens? Is it a very rare lens?

Thanks

Zhang

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Reply author: mermoz37

Replied on: 20081111040113

TAIR 11- really ? I possess only a black TAIR 11 (same shape than aluminium )
if it is this one : no differences in quality but better look.a little bit more rare than white one.

Reply author: Kievuser

Replied on: 20081111042319

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mermoz37
 TAIR 11- really ? I possess only a black TAIR 11 (same shape than aluminium )
if it is this one : no differences in quality but better look.a little bit more rare than white one.
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Thanks alain for you quick reply. Is your lens a Tair 11 or a Tair 11-2? I am curious why it is a 11-2?

Kind Regards,

Zhang

Reply author: Luiz Paracampo

Replied on: 20081111060922

Hello Zhang!
Tair 11-2 is a quite rare lens . I believe they were made in a single batch around 1972. The same optical formula of previous Tair but a complete different mechanical mount, including the "A" interchangeable mount to fit various cameras. (Zenit M39, Zenit K and Kiev N) the filter thread is now 55mm instead of the old 49mm
LP

Reply author: Kievuser

Replied on: 20081111065855

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo
 Hello Zhang!
Tair 11-2 is a quite rare lens . I believe they were made in a single batch around 1972. The same optical formula of previous Tair but a complete different mechanical mount, including the "A" interchangeable mount to fit various cameras. (Zenit M39, Zenit K and Kiev N) the filter thread is now 55mm instead of the old 49mm
LP
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Luiz, You are great![:)] I know that you are interested in Chinese cameras and lenses. Here is a group of extremely rare Chinese 35mm cine primes made in 1970's FYI. Few people has ever seen these.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b190/tigerzxk/IMG_7405.jpg

I can provide more information about htese lenses if you need.[:)]

Cheers

Zhang

Reply author: cedricfan

Replied on: 20081111080342

Tair-11A from my collection:

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/Tair11A.JPG

Reply author: Michel L

Replied on: 20081111085131

Hello,
all what you say about the black TaÃ¯r 11-2 is very interesting.
I got one on E... a few months ago, just the lens, no case, no caps, no filters. But only 10 Euros in rather good condition!
Luiz says filter size 55mm, mine has 49mm and no removable lens mount, SÃ©rial NÂ° is starting with 03.
Could be an older model? Serial numbers on russian lenses are sometimes strange.
I shot some flowers with it this summer and I like the results.

Reply author: Kievuser

Replied on: 20081111091649

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Michel L
 Hello,
all what you say about the black TaÃ¯r 11-2 is very interesting.
I got one on E... a few months ago, just the lens, no case, no caps, no filters. But only 10 Euros in rather good condition!
Luiz says filter size 55mm, mine has 49mm and no removable lens mount, SÃ©rial NÂ° is starting with 03.
Could be an older model? Serial numbers on russian lenses are sometimes strange.
I shot some flowers with it this summer and I like the results.

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Hi Michel L,

Thanks for the input. So you have a Tair 11-2? I don't think it was made in 2000. It could be from that small batch as Luiz mentioned. 10 euro is really a great price for such a rare lens.

Reply author: Luiz Paracampo

Replied on: 20081111181751

Hey all!
Tair 11 Tair 11-2 and Tair 11-A are illustrated on Princelle's book.
Note that only the version "A" comes with filtres.
Observe that Tair 11 was first made for Zenit M39, further for M42 still as Tair 11 . these were originally made in 55mm filter thread but had a factory made reduction ring for 49mm . Soon they decided to make Tair 11-2 exactly as the previous model, differing the -2 to be noted as a M42 version -They went to the black model still with the same external shape and further they removed the step down adapter being only a 55mm threaded filter mount. This last model received the "A" ring and soon they disclosed the magnificent version of Cedricfan
I used these lenses and they are slightly softer than Jupiter 11 (On top) and further Jupiter 37 versions.
regards LP

Hey Zhang! Give us characteristics of your Chinese shown lenses.
On time: I tested the Seagull DF1 Haiou 58 and Peafowl DF lenses and felt they are a replicate of the Helios 44.

Reply author: mermoz37

Replied on: 20081112131042

hi Luiz ,
where did you saw TAIR model 2 in Princelle's ? I try to see it ....

Reply author: Kievuser

Replied on: 20081113081544

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mermoz37
 hi Luiz ,
where did you saw TAIR model 2 in Princelle's ? I try to see it ....
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I did not find it either.[?] This looks like a rare lens.

Reply author: mermoz37

Replied on: 20081114032620

So...Michel L. ,
would you please show us a picture of your TAIR 11-2 ?
I will be gratefull to have it (and Wiki too ??).
thanks in advance,
ALain

Reply author: Michel L

Replied on: 20081114143516

Of course I will be with pleasure, I show here 1 or 2 pictures of this Taïr 11-2.
And in the Wiki as well.
I try to do it tomorrow.

Michel.

Reply author: Michel L

Replied on: 20081114155251

Hello,
I have uploaded two photos of my Taïr 11-2 in the Wiki catalog, I tried to do it also here in a message, but I cannot.
May be I did it in a wrong way? If an helpfull member could explain me how to do it...
Excuse me for the very poor quality of these two pictures, I gave my digital camera to my son who is on holidays. I will do better pictures when he will be back.
Thanks for your indulgence.

Reply author: Vlad

Replied on: 20081114160543

Hi Michel, don't use any spaces or parentheses in file names.

Vlad

Reply author: mermoz37

Replied on: 20081115080328

thanks Michel...we must wait for better front lens picture

Reply author: Luiz Paracampo

Replied on: 20081117122955

Hey Allain
Really there is no Tair 11-2 on Princelle's book but a Tair 11 (you do not know the fitting thread) with a 55mm filter thread Here the page photo for comparison.

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/tair11.JPG

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/tair11.JPG

see also the link.
Regards
LP

Reply author: mermoz37

Replied on: 20081117125255

I got two TAIR 11 on my shelves (11 and 11-2)unfortunatly not black one [:(]
anyway the first main difference is : TAir 11 have a blue coated lens (like primitives Helios 44) and Tair 11-2 have a yellowish coated lenses.
If you need , I can test each one on my EOS 5D for comparison....

Reply author: cedricfan

Replied on: 20081117135857

How rare is the shiny Tair-11 in ZM39? One #0191101 for sale in Finland right now...

Reply author: Kievuser

Replied on: 20081118032421

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by cedricfan
 How rare is the shiny Tair-11 in ZM39? One #0191101 for sale in Finland right now...
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These are not rare IMO. I have one with a s/n 001150.[:)]

Reply author: Kievuser

Replied on: 20081118033100

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mermoz37
 I got two TAIR 11 on my shelves (11 and 11-2)unfortunatly not black one [:(]
anyway the first main difference is : TAir 11 have a blue coated lens (like primitives Helios 44) and Tair 11-2 have a yellowish coated lenses.
If you need , I can test each one on my EOS 5D for comparison....
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Hello alain,

A silver TAIR-11-2 could be even rarer.[8D] A coating colour change usually indicates a change of glass type,so the 11-2 might have a new type of glass?

Kind Regards,

zhang

Reply author: mermoz37

Replied on: 20081118040128

after "zorki's eyes-looking-at " [:o)] Yes ...TAir 11 is 39 mm screw mount and Tair 11-2 is 42 !

Reply author: mermoz37

Replied on: 20081118040409

and a third one (Tair 11) on my Start "revolver" lens mount (see it in Princelle's)

Reply author: Kievuser

Replied on: 20081219162031

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by mermoz37
 after "zorki's eyes-looking-at " [:o)] Yes ...TAir 11 is 39 mm screw mount and Tair 11-2 is 42 !
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I gave up resistance, and bought the lens. It is a beautiful lens with a shining black finish.[:D] S/N is 031245. there is engraving 'made in USSR' on the lens tube, so it was made for export I guess. It has a fixed M42 mount.

Reply author: Poolhall

Replied on: 20081220030724

Mine is Tair-11a exactly like Juhani's picture kmz logo and serial 001451, no filters, came in black bakelite box, with Made in Ussr so presume its an export. Great lens didn't think it was so rare but I know they don't appear too often

Samsung GX-10,too many Russian Lenses,some Zenit,Yashica,Pentax Bodies and a Minox35GT