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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
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Richard Nuttall
Poolhall
United Kingdom
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 Posted - Jan 05 2010 : 2:23:53 PM
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Good finds Alain I have heard of non painted Krystall before -I wonder if they were done at the end of production? Maybe when the factory realised the painted finish was not popular? Or maybe they had no paint that day! I say this because I have had 2 different Krystalls one had a greenish primer paint under the hammered finish and one didn't, just the hammered paint, suppose anything is possible if supplies are not there and production numbers have to be kept up
Samsung GX-10,too many Russian Lenses, A lot of Zenits, an Almaz 103 a few Yashica,and finally a Minox35GT |
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Michel
France
217 Posts |
Posted - Jan 05 2010 : 4:14:57 PM
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Congratulations, Mr. Berry for these two superb finds !!
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Guido Studer
Guido
Switzerland
362 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Jan 05 2010 : 8:59:27 PM
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Hello Alain
For the Krystall I can confirm the existence of this variant. Alexander Schulz showed one in his book "Zenit" from 2003 with the s/n 61021914. When I talked to him about this item he said that he had only found this one and never seen an other later.
Also Alexandr on www.fotoua.com shows one of them at this link:
http://fotoua.com/1cameratip.php?seek2=143&seek1=140&usl=&usl1=&seek3=2&rd=4&st=7
He writes that the s/n observed goes from 61017708 to 62032739. The rarity code "R4" shows that's a uncommon camera.
Aidas shows one of them with s/n 62009728 at:
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1040184497
(well, maybe it's not exactly the same type of camera or just a variation of it?)
In the book "1200 cameras" you can find one of this kind on page 136 (or has it a chroming like the earlier Kristall 2 prototypes from 1960?). I can't read the text ... :-/
After all it's a very nice camera, one of the ones I like the most in the Zenit collection.
Best wishes - Guido
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Bill Parkinson
nightphoto
USA
1027 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Jan 05 2010 : 10:31:51 PM
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Hello Alain,
Very nice finds you have there! Nice way to start the year!
Regards, Bill
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts |
Posted - Jan 06 2010 : 05:35:10 AM
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thanks friends for vey informative comments !
So, what can you tell about Lubitel ? |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Jan 06 2010 : 07:44:14 AM
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Just arrived in your collection, but only for the moment, Alain, if I understand well?
Nothing really interesting to say about your Lubitel. But it's the first time I see a non hammered Krystall... Thanks!
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts |
Posted - Jan 06 2010 : 09:17:43 AM
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Hi Juani...
well done : a real rarity  ! |
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okynek
759 Posts |
Posted - Jan 06 2010 : 10:59:02 AM
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Question about Kristal: is top of the camera made from stamped aluminum or it pressure molded as on all Kristals?
Juhani - good way to start a New Year!!!! |
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
973 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Jan 07 2010 : 02:19:57 AM
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Dear Alain,
congratulations on you new findings!!! Both cameras are great, but I would like to say few words about your NO-NAME Lubitel ... I have an information in my archives, that a limited quantity of No-name Lubitels with new LOMO logo on the lens were intended for foreign distributor indeed. I was lucky to see a camera, identical to yours, but with additional nameplate plaque fixed in the blank place. The particular camera had name "LUNA" and were intended for Greece (???) market ...
... but if I could vote for all cameras shown here, my vote goes for Juhani's Liliput obviously ...
Best Regards,
Aidas |
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
973 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Jan 07 2010 : 02:25:30 AM
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... knowing, that many members here are the honest Smena camera lovers, let me show you an interesting variation of early Smena-8M camera below ...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_SM-8M_1.JPG
Best Regards,
Aidas |
Edited by - AidasCams on Jan 07 2010 02:26:34 AM |
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts |
Posted - Jan 07 2010 : 04:50:26 AM
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dear Okinek : my opinion (I am not a metal work specialist ) it is a die cast aluminium made.
dear Aidas : thanks a lot (as usual !) for information....it will be nice if you can find a picture of "Luna" camera brand (but I think quite impossible now...?)
Alain |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Jan 07 2010 : 08:35:44 AM
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My very last is a Fed 1b first serie, without clip.
Not exceptional, but I was looking for for at least 2 years...
And it has an interesting one turn lens.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Jacques M.
France
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Jan 07 2010 : 09:28:01 AM
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quote:
... but if I could vote for all cameras shown here, my vote goes for Juhani's Liliput obviously ...
Just waiting to see an even more interesting camera here soon 
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Jan 07 2010 : 09:38:20 AM
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If it's a vote, no doubt, mine is for Juhani's camera too!
Those coloured Lilliput are pure marvels!
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
973 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Jan 07 2010 : 09:43:53 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by mermoz37
dear Okinek : my opinion (I am not a metal work specialist ) it is a die cast aluminium made.
dear Aidas : thanks a lot (as usual !) for information....it will be nice if you can find a picture of "Luna" camera brand (but I think quite impossible now...?)
Alain
Alain,
everything is possible in behalf of good friends ... Below you will find a picture of Luna-Lubitel, sent to me by camera collector from Greece some time ago ...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_lubitel-luna.jpg
Best Regards,
Aidas
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
973 Posts
My Collection
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts |
Posted - Jan 07 2010 : 10:16:12 AM
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nothing impossible for you ...damned Aidas !!!
So thanks a lot !
Alain |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Jan 07 2010 : 10:48:50 AM
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Just what I waited to see here, the brother! Somehow I knew that you would surprise us 
Best regards,
Juhani |
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okynek
759 Posts |
Posted - Jan 07 2010 : 2:48:31 PM
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Thank you Alain for answer!
I was hoping that top of chrome Kristall made same way as on Zenit 3 - by stamping. I have my theory how Kristall was born. May be some day I'll post it.
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts |
Posted - Jan 08 2010 : 04:16:25 AM
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okynek ....yes , please tell me now your theory ...even if it is a fantasy ;-) which one can say vodka effects on soviets engineers  |
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okynek
759 Posts |
Posted - Jan 22 2010 : 4:03:25 PM
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There are my thoughts, which are not backed up by any paperwork, as I know.
I think that Kristall, as Mir-Zorki4, and Zarya-FED2, was mean to be a cheap version of mainstream camera Zenit 3M.
Zenit 3M I think was intended to have lighmeter and slow speeds. All this in 1962.
But manufacturing problems did not let this materialize. And after year or so, KMZ gives up and rename Kristall to Zenit 3M.
Arguments for this theory are camera itself. Look how it constricted; it has special room for lightmeter and for slow speed gears.
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts |
Posted - Jan 25 2010 : 11:16:37 AM
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| congratulation Juani ....good hunter diploma !!! |
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
580 Posts |
Posted - Jan 28 2010 : 12:50:17 PM
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Hello,
I have found a red Liliput, but the price for the camera is too high (I think so). How much must cost this camera today?
Regards, Alexander |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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David Tomlinson
RCCCUK
United Kingdom
208 Posts |
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
580 Posts |
Posted - Feb 18 2010 : 2:37:43 PM
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I have got it!!! Yes!!! It is the early soviet plate camera ARFO-Komsomoletz (Nr.02121) in great condition with ARFO leather case and plates! According to the SSK book it ist 2nd release with ARFO-lens.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1822010_IMG_3471.JPG
Regards, Alexander |
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Steve
Bull Halsey
USA
229 Posts |
Posted - Feb 19 2010 : 4:53:29 PM
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David,
What a wonderful find !
It looks to be in beautiful shape.
Good luck in tracking down the few items to complete it.
Congratulations !!
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Steve
Bull Halsey
USA
229 Posts |
Posted - Feb 19 2010 : 4:54:08 PM
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David,
What a wonderful find !
It looks to be in beautiful shape.
Good luck in tracking down the few items to complete it.
Congratulations !!
Steve |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Feb 19 2010 : 5:07:58 PM
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David,
I think this is a really rare find. I have never seen a FED-Sniper before.
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Feb 20 2010 : 09:21:26 AM
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Hi David,
Really a marvelous item. In fact the dream of most of us!
It seems as if the serial number of the body is between c. 40000 and 60000? A late 1b or an early 1c?
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4212 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Feb 20 2010 : 09:33:38 AM
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Alexander, that's a super rare camera - congratulations!
And David - WOW! You found the holy grail! This piece really culminates a collecting career! Bravo!
Cheers,
Vlad |
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David Tomlinson
RCCCUK
United Kingdom
208 Posts |
Posted - Feb 20 2010 : 09:39:26 AM
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Hi Jacques,
The FED body is a late 1b, which surprises me. I would have expected it to be a 1c or even a 1d as the outfit was manufactured in 1944. It is possible that this is not the original FED, as it would be quite easy to swap the mounting plate. On the other hand, maybe KMZ took over the remaining stock of cameras, parts and lenses from GOI.
David
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Jacques M.
France
2521 Posts |
Posted - Feb 21 2010 : 09:53:09 AM
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Hi David,
I have in my datas the FS2 serial number 1200 (made in 1944), body number 61557. So an early 1c with 1/1000th, that time.
It was sold by Westlicht auction (auction n° 6).
Probably KMZ were using what they found, including spare parts, to mount these items. Certainly it was not easy to find brand new Fed 1 in 1944!
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
765 Posts
My Collection
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4212 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 09:31:39 AM
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Wow nice loot, Juhani!! Congrats! Is that Smena repaired or this metal bar supposed to be there?
..off to Chicago camera fair now, maybe I'll find me some interesting things.. doubt it though
Vlad |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 10:22:29 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by uwittehh
...FED 1 one. It's only 9 numbers away from mine...
Ha, in time we will have so many near numbers collected here that it is easier to count the missing ones
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Originally posted by uwittehh
Why didn't you by the sport or the FED S? What were the prices at the collectors fair in Helsinki?
Wallet... the prices were reasonable for such rarities, but a huge pile of money though 
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Originally posted by Vlad
Is that Smena repaired or this metal bar supposed to be there?
I can not see anything wrong comparing to Aidas website, other than using a Zenit battery tube as "foot". I didn't notice that the camera itseöf has a clevery hidden foot
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4212 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 12:44:41 PM
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Juhani, sorry I thought that metal piece on front was a repair job, but now I see that's just a part of a camera I don't have one so I'm not very familiar with these cameras..
Zenit-122 Pobeda - why is it that they all are found in Finland?
Vlad |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 12:45:58 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Vlad
Zenit-122 Pobeda - why is it that they all are found in Finland?
Vodka tourists visiting Leningrad 
Best regards,
Juhani |
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts |
Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 12:54:25 PM
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hey...I found mine in Paris
by the way : I am looking for a cyrrilics print "Zenit 122" ...if anyone know , please tell me |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4212 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 1:04:33 PM
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Hmm ok . Still I haven't yet seen a Z-122 Pobeda sold inside the former USSR .
Alain, I'll keep an eye for you for that 122 if you keep an eye out for me where to buy Elikon-3 (if you have one for yourself of course already).
Vlad. |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
993 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 1:07:55 PM
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My Elikon-3 is from Germany, or most likely from former DDR
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4212 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 1:14:19 PM
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| Yea I've been hunting for that camera for over a year already... |
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BERRY alain
mermoz37
France
814 Posts |
Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 04:41:26 AM
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hey hey...
I just bought Elikon 3,quite new (but badly made!) , two weeks ago in Russia
now my Elikon serie is complete...
Sometime , I am lucky ! |
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
1871 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 08:35:33 AM
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Juhany
Congratulations for your acquisition
According to my still "expert eyes" you have the gratest rarity on the Sport camera (regretably you didn't buy) once its normal lens is made by Kazan. an extremely rare early postwar assembly
regards
LP |
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
1871 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 08:39:34 AM
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Tomlinson
My hurras on your acquisition the highly praised 1944 PhotoSniper
Regards
LP |
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