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Created by AidasCams on 1/21/2008 4:23:59 AM
Last Edited by Jacques M. on 10/5/2020 11:37:40 AM  
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - May 16 2016 :  10:49:15 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Here are a few more serial #s and dates for the 1e, courtesy of Elnur:

163623 March 22 1941
164716 March 18 1941
175116 June 21 1941
177611 July 3 1941
178319 July 12 1941
180024 July 31 1941
181100 July 30 1941

Cheers,
Vlad
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Elnur Mehdiyev
elnur
Russia
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Posted - May 16 2016 :  12:40:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
and one more 177572 from 1st of July 41
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1652016_pr1Pp27EESg.jpg

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Lenny
496 Posts
Posted - May 16 2016 :  1:10:35 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Elnur,

on the passport I read #177512. Is the camera #177572 ?
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Elnur Mehdiyev
elnur
Russia
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Posted - May 16 2016 :  1:49:15 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, sorry. You r right Lenny. Made mistake.
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - May 17 2016 :  12:08:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello guys,
here are my Berdsk-cameras:

- 176426
- 182602

... unfortunately without any papers.

Regards, Alexander
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Aleksandrov66
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Posted - May 18 2016 :  07:18:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good day everyone!
Yesterday i was offered to buy (i didn't) camera n.183428.
I'd like to share a photo (s\n is already in the wiki):

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1852016_untitled.jpg

Unfortunately, i got only one picture.


Edited by - Aleksandrov66 on May 18 2016 07:18:53 AM
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Lenny
496 Posts
Posted - May 18 2016 :  07:42:34 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Aleksandrov,

it's really amazing that so many Fed-1e look so good,
as if they were never used,
as if they were not bought from someone who wants to use it,
as if they were gifts maybe for outstanding military performance.

I put it in the wiki under FED-1e too, to be complete.

Edited by - Lenny on May 18 2016 07:54:05 AM
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Alfa2
Poland
349 Posts
Posted - May 18 2016 :  07:43:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Why it has 1/1000 ?
Was it FED S ?



Edited by - Alfa2 on May 18 2016 07:44:16 AM
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Lenny
496 Posts
Posted - May 18 2016 :  07:56:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alfa2


Why it has 1/1000 ?
Was it FED S ?



#183321 is listed with 1/1000 too, so this makes sense too.
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - May 18 2016 :  08:59:21 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
that's a FED-S, I have a 1e FED-S also with 1/1000 but regular 3.5 lens. Will look at serial # later if you guys are interested. it's in 17XXXXX range..
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Alfa2
Poland
349 Posts
Posted - May 18 2016 :  09:23:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Sure Vlad, and S/N of the lens pls.

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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
726 Posts
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Posted - May 20 2016 :  4:50:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit uwittehh's Homepage  Reply with Quote
My serials:

- 176328 Lens FED 1:2/50 27183
- 176810 Lens I-10 137814
- 182433 Lens I-10 105593

Ulrich





http://fotos.cconin.de
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Luiz Paracampo
Luiz Paracampo
Brazil
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Posted - May 20 2016 :  7:07:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit Luiz Paracampo's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Giving the right url and translation of Zoom page:


http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/misc/gko-2445.html

Top secret
Ruling
State Defense Committee
Number 2445 cc
Moscow Kremlin

October 23, 1942


On the selection of opto-mechanical production from the plant number 296 Narkomaviaproma and transfer it to the system Narkomvooruzheniya

State Defense Committee decided:

1. Cancel Item 4 Resolution GFCS 2140 pp 1) of 4 August 1942 relating to the transfer of the plant number 296 2) Narkomaviaproma’ in Narkomvooruzheniya’ system.

2. To instruct the Narkomaviaprom - T Shakhurin pass before November 1 of this year on factories Narkomvooruzheniya optical optical-mechanical manufacturing factory number 296 in the formulation.:
a) all work in progress for all opto-mechanical, civil and military instruments, manufactures and previously produced on the factory number 296;
b) all equipment, tools and equipment for the production of optical components and assemblies of optical instruments and 30% of the total number of factory normal cutting and measuring tools for metalworking;
c) reserves all metals, glass and other optical materials available in the plant for production of opto-mechanical devices;
d) metal cutting, optical and other equipment, according to Annex 3);
d) all workers, engineers and technicians working in the optical and assembly plants in the optical manufacturing plant and 20% of workers in the mechanical and instrumental workshops.

3. To instruct the Narkomvooruzheniya - ing. Ustinova translate transmitted, according to paragraph 2 of this resolution, optical-mechanical part of the production plant number 296 on the Siberian group of optical factories Narkomvooruzheniya 4).

4. To instruct the People's Commissariat - ing. Hrulev select cars in the amount and timing of application Narkomvooruzheniya for transportation of equipment, materials and people from the factory 296 Narkomaviaproma (Mountains. Berdsk Novosibirsk Region) optical Narkomvooruzheniya plants.


Chairman of the State Defense Committee
I. Stalin

xxxxxxxxx

Top secret
Chairman of the State Defense Committee
Comrade I. V. Stalin
Here we present a draft Resolution of the State Defense Committee, "On the selection of opto-mechanical production from the plant number 296 Narkomaviaproma and transfer it to the system Narkomvooruzheniya".

Currently, the plant number 296 manufactured pumps for direct injection aircraft engines, power tools and military optical instruments.
Available in three different factory production complicates the process and does not provide further their normal development.

The draft regulation provides for the allocation of optical-mechanical manufacturing plant number 296 on Narkomvooruzheniya plants and leaving the factory number 296 in Narkomaviaproma system for the production of pumps and power (motors) of direct injection.
L. Beria
D. Ustinov
P. Dementiev

October 22, 1942
Nº LB-2788

Narkomaviaprom - National Comitee of airplane production
Narkomvooruzheniya - National Comitee of weapon (production)
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
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Posted - May 22 2016 :  10:59:41 AM  Show Profile  Visit Vlad's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Alfa2,

As promised my serial #s for the pseudo-Berdsk:

177511 Lens: FED F3.5, inside serial #5701
178482 1/1000 speed (FED-S), Lens FED F3.5, inside serial #9607
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Alfa2
Poland
349 Posts
Posted - May 22 2016 :  2:03:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Vlad and Ulrich.

Especially interesting is pseudo-Berdsk FED S.


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Jacques M.
France
2415 Posts
Posted - Feb 19 2017 :  10:59:44 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I dig out this thread after having tried to read this article:
http://photolubitel.com/index.php?route=module/kbm/article&kbm_article_id=9

Thanks, Luiz, for the link!
It seems, if I understand correctly the first part, that many (all? some?) Fed 1 have an inscription inside, giving the date of manufacture.

I have checked some of my Fed 1, and my last 1e s/n 183231 has 30 VIII engraved inside. So, it should have been made the 30 of august 1941, certainly at Kharkov, like all the other numbered 1e we know.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Feb 19 2017 11:41:20 AM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 22 2017 :  10:44:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

To complete this thread, following the article of photolubitel, the internal inscriptions of my Fed 1e:

- 175011: not readable,
- 180971 S: 3 VIII
- 182912: 4 III
- 183231: 30 VIII

Many of my Fed 1 have this inscription made with a needle. The place seems on the shutter box, in the cassette house (under the rewind button). But it should be necessary to dismount partially the camera to see that perfectly.

My 182912 seems out of the lines, with its 4 III...

Amitiés. Jacques.
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basic-collector
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Posted - Jul 20 2020 :  4:01:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello, thanks to all of you guys for the very interesting posts!
I think that someone expert has to edit the Wiki page, a lot confusing indeed!
I mean this one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FED_(camera)

cheers
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Jacques M.
France
2415 Posts
Posted - Jul 21 2020 :  08:42:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ha, ha!
This part of wikipedia is much better, though not perfect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FED_%28camera%29

Another Fed 1e, here. The s/n 183613, one of the last ones.
The date inside is 16/X or 16/XI, so after the evacuation. Could it be a "real" Berdsk? It's a pity we don't have the dates of control for the very last 1e-s, up to c. 184000, as it seems.

Of course, there can be other explanations: repair, re-mounting with other parts, etc.

Something else interesting: the lens is a collapsible macro, s/n 2121. But is it the original one? I don't know.

Amitiés. Jacques.

Edited by - Jacques M. on Jul 21 2020 08:46:43 AM
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basic-collector
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Posted - Jul 25 2020 :  10:53:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here another camera to add to the list, №175553 from a seller on ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/FED-BERDSKI-type-1e-Vintage-WWII-1945-Russian-Original-Camera-copy-Leica-II-D/143657847916?hash=item2172accc6c:g:F7IAAOSweFhewZH4

It seems strange inside, looking from the opened bottom... what's your feelings?
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basic-collector
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Posted - Jul 25 2020 :  11:02:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Two more... n.179919 https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-FED-1-E-Zorki-NKVD-sn-179919-1-3-5-F-50M-M-Original-Case-1000pcs-serie/373007503343?hash=item56d8facfef:g:w64AAOSwv-ledOPm
and n.176931
https://www.ebay.com/itm/FED-Type-1e-Berdsk-Rangefinder-Camera-3-5-50-M39-Leica-Mount-USSR/174310750899?hash=item2895bafab3:g:-hAAAOSwYfBe3ojC

The interesting thing is that each seller tells a different story ... :-)
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Jacques M.
France
2415 Posts
Posted - Jul 26 2020 :  09:13:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by basic-collector

Here another camera to add to the list, №175553 from a seller on ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/FED-BERDSKI-type-1e-Vintage-WWII-1945-Russian-Original-Camera-copy-Leica-II-D/143657847916?hash=item2172accc6c:g:F7IAAOSweFhewZH4

It seems strange inside, looking from the opened bottom... what's your feelings?



Yes, I had seen it.
It looks like a spring for cameras with a delaying mechanism. Probably a home made modification...
Thanks for the numbers.

Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
2415 Posts
Posted - Aug 11 2020 :  09:56:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have just dismounted my 1e s/n 183613 (though very reluctantly) to know more about that camera. Here are some photos:


http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1182020_IMG_0152.JPG

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1182020_IMG_0161.JPG

http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/1182020_IMG_0169.JPG

I have plenty of others, if necessary!


Edited by - Jacques M. on Aug 11 2020 10:15:49 AM
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Aug 11 2020 :  10:14:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

At first sight, all seems correct for a 1e. Except, of course, the date 16/X. If this camera is completely original, that would mean that some very late 1e were mounted after the evacuation, possibly at Berdsk.

Concerning this s/n 183613, the shutters are original, and I found nothing really strange when taking it to pieces, except that the lensplate is not shimmed, and that it seems not perfectly centered on the body. Perhaps difficult conditions of mounting at Berdsk?

The last 1e known is the s/n 183906, by Alexey Nikitin's site. As far as I know, we don't know the internal inscription of date on the very late 1e.

Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques M.
France
2415 Posts
Posted - Oct 13 2020 :  11:22:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Two other Fed 1e here:

- the S # 178311 with the 2/50mm # 32348. Date inside: 8 VII, more or less coherent with the other dates we have,
- the S # 183209, with a macro collapsible Fed lens. In fact, all comes from a Fed-Zorki camera, except the cover! Beautiful leatherette, perfectly working. And no date inside (contrarily to Fed, KMZ did not have that "tradition").

Jacques.
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