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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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 Posted - Jul 12 2011 : 01:25:51 AM
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Hello Fred,
YES, the "Moment" cameras have the only serial number on the lens.
Regards, Alexander |
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Fred_L
France
226 Posts |
Posted - Jul 12 2011 : 04:03:15 AM
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Hello Alex
Thank you for information...
I have been searching for so long time to find a second number on my bodies..... |
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Jacques M.
France
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
590 Posts |
Posted - Jul 17 2011 : 09:07:39 AM
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Bravo, Jacques
rather rare camera.
I found Kiev-III from 1948 some time ago. Perhaps they have much in common.
Regards, Alexander |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Jul 17 2011 : 09:29:48 AM
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Yours is much rarer, Alexander.
It has an "A" serial number?
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Jacek
Omega
France
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Posted - Aug 09 2011 : 03:45:08 AM
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| Labo is nice, I hope I will get it somewhere... |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
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Posted - Aug 27 2011 : 4:33:46 PM
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Another KIEV II from 1949. It comes with a collapsible Zorki ZK. There are some interesting details, Focus wheel like a Contax (with groove), rewind knob with 4 instead of 3 milled rows, but no more flatened "3" on focus helix and film reminder wheel (see pictures).
The collapsible Zorki has no serial numer inside (as the Sonnars) but it has an hand engraved number inside, the number is 197. So maybe this was the time when they went from Sonnars to self made Zorki lenses?
Another interesting thing is that the shutter has a hand engraved number too inside. It looks similar to the hand engraved number on my very early Kiev II from 1950 and the serials are only 2400 numbers different.
Does anybody know if there was a time when the shutters were numbered by hand? My first thought when I saw this number on the 1950 Kiev was that it was later made. But now when I see a similar engraved number on the 1949 Kiev I think this could be factory made.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
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Posted - Aug 27 2011 : 4:35:03 PM
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Alexander,
a great KIEV III! Specially the lens with it's serial number...
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
590 Posts |
Posted - Aug 28 2011 : 02:16:01 AM
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Ulrich,
very interesting information. I have also a Kiev-II from 1949 with a collapsible Zorki ZK, BUT the lens has s/n 4900415 and DOES NOT have any hand engraved number inside.
The Soviets had to register all separate parts for the new Kiev-Contax cameras (and for another cameras as well ) and it could be possible, that since some time they started to register these lens-parts for some internal use too.
Regards, Alexander |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Aug 28 2011 : 03:46:39 AM
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Very interesting, Ulrich!
Do you have a picture of the hand engraved number near the shutter?
It seems I have seen something similar on one of my 1950 Kiev II, but I don't remember exactly where it was...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
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Posted - Aug 28 2011 : 04:23:29 AM
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Jacques,
I did not make a picture of the engraved serial number of the 1949 Kiev but one of the 1950 one. The 1949 serial engraving style looks similar.
To see that number you have to disassemble the camera partly (take off the top).
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
Edited by - uwittehh on Aug 28 2011 04:25:33 AM |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Aug 28 2011 : 3:44:44 PM
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Thanks, Ulrich.
Soon I will check on one of my early Kievs.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1020 Posts
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Sep 02 2011 : 11:04:40 AM
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Fine, Juhani!
With a hole in the press film, I suppose?
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
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Posted - Sep 04 2011 : 06:15:56 AM
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Yes!
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
590 Posts |
Posted - Sep 11 2011 : 2:53:39 PM
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Here are the new in my collection "7-eyes" LOMO-twins: Sokol-automat and its export-"brother" Aurora-automat.
Regards, Alexander |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Sep 26 2011 : 06:40:20 AM
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Not yet received, but bought some days ago: as it seems a Fed 1a reingraved Leica with a one turn lens (reingraved Elmar).
It can be an interesting camera or a pure fake!
I will tell you when received.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
973 Posts
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Sep 26 2011 : 4:29:27 PM
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Woderful, that is something!!!
This lens is something new for my eyes! |
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4252 Posts
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Posted - Sep 26 2011 : 6:56:13 PM
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| Hi Aidas, congratulations! Very fine lens, I've never seen one before! Wow! 1.5/50mm! |
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Aidas Pikiotas
AidasCams
Lithuania
973 Posts
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Sep 27 2011 : 06:41:20 AM
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Magnifique!
The JLP says nothing about this lens, except that it was not really produced.
Do you have other details about it, Aidas?
Thanks for the pictures...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
590 Posts |
Posted - Sep 27 2011 : 10:47:40 AM
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Bravo Aidas,
very nice find! I have seen this lens in some old articles about history of KMZ.
As far as I know it is prototype of Jupiter-3 (like Orchid-1 is prototype of Jupiter-8).
Congratulations!
Regards, Alexander |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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xalmaz
Russia
37 Posts
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Posted - Oct 02 2011 : 08:40:55 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by AlexanderK
As far as I know it is prototype of Jupiter-3 (like Orchid-1 is prototype of Jupiter-8).
Congratulations Aidas!
Dear Alexander,
Orchid-3 cannot be prototype of Jupiter-3(and Orchid-1 cannot be prototype of Jupiter-8) because Orchid-1 was calculated in 1956(Orchid-3 was calculated in 1959, according GOI catalogue 1963). This is if you don't look optical schemes of Orchids...
http://xalmaz.narod.ru |
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
590 Posts |
Posted - Oct 02 2011 : 08:57:14 AM
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xalmaz,
very interesting catalogue! Thank you very much.
Regards, Alexander |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1020 Posts
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Posted - Oct 07 2011 : 09:34:26 AM
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Working Zenit-18 #8602323 with Zenitar-ME1 #861738 and almost like new Granit-11N #861095. Don't ask me how these fit together, even the seller had no idea!
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/7102011_Z18.jpg
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Oct 09 2011 : 4:08:37 PM
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Jacques,
my first thought was "46 FED 1, what a crazy guy", then I counted my FED 1. I counted 20 and I was sure that there were not more than 10 :-)
Congratulations to the FED 1 with the strange serial number. I own one with serial 2850 which looks exactly like yours, the only different is the normal vulcanite instead of the brown one.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Oct 09 2011 : 4:10:23 PM
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Martti,
nice, seems that you are building a "Jupiter 9 farm" to grow them up and have children ;-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Oct 10 2011 : 07:18:08 AM
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Not bad, Ulrich, not bad. Still an effort to be as mad as me...
Amitiés. |
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Colin
urban-wombat
Australia
71 Posts |
Posted - Oct 13 2011 : 01:19:51 AM
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Fotokor .
Testing .. paper negative f18 2 mins + yellow filter
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Posted - Oct 13 2011 : 03:10:11 AM
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Ulrich,
yes, my farm have already aftergrowth, one little girl jupiter-12 and boy jupiter-3. Now I hope, that they will grow and be jupiter-6!!!
Best, Martti |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Nov 17 2011 : 07:54:01 AM
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Hello,
One of my friends, a French collector, received lately some interesting items. He sent them to me. Here are three of them:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17112011_Photos PYC 0 001.jpg
For the Industar 24M, I am a bit surprised. The diaphragm ring seems turning just the reverse than it should. At f22: it's all open. And it is closed at f 3,5...
Probably I don't understand something!
About the two Feds, I will open separate threads.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
Edited by - Jacques M. on Nov 17 2011 08:28:34 AM |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
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okynek
759 Posts |
Posted - Nov 28 2011 : 10:30:54 AM
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Very nice! I never had underwater case for Start camera in my hands.
How did you find one !
Would you be able to add your pictures to Wiki? |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Nov 29 2011 : 02:12:14 AM
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My wife friends friend have get it in observatory and was thinking to use it. But then he decide to sell it. He have asked me, do I wat it. I have asked pictures. But he but it in auction. So I called him and make offer and get it without auction.
It is bought in 67 year and is never used.
Wiki in something new for me, if I can, I will add the pictures.
Here is picture of my KRAB...
sadly without gear and stuff
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/29112011_02.jpg
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Membedeep
4 Posts |
Posted - Dec 05 2011 : 02:58:46 AM
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TOCHKA-58M / S-252 type b used by the Romanian secret service, like new. I paid for it around $10, but I'm sure it is worth much more. How much do you think? There are only few informations on the internet. It works fine and I also have 9 other lenses, like the one mounted on it. Sorry for the crappy pictures...
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Vladislav Kern
Vlad
USA
4252 Posts
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Posted - Dec 05 2011 : 10:29:35 PM
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Wow!! $10  I've seen these sold for around at least $500.. great buy, congratulations! |
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Membedeep
4 Posts |
Posted - Dec 07 2011 : 07:45:00 AM
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| My last russian camera, along with a classic Sputnik, is a Fed S with the 2/50 lens. The camera has serial number 56054 and the lens has the serial number 21334. Are there several types of Fed S? Thank you! |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Dec 07 2011 : 07:59:07 AM
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Hello,
There are as many Fed S as 1c, d and e types...
So, including the sub series:
- 5 1c type,
- 3 1d type,
- 1 1e type,
If we count some "original" Fed S engraved Leica, you can find at least 10 different Fed S. And special ones were made with leatherette and ears for straps.
Yours must be (by the serial number)the first 1c type, with a grey/green vulcanite coming from late 1b.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Fred_L
France
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 11:43:08 AM
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Hello Frédéric!
A very nice outfit. It seems abolutely complete, even with the spectacles! 
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Fred_L
France
226 Posts |
Posted - Dec 10 2011 : 12:30:05 PM
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Thank you Jacques
I bought it in an auction in Sens last week. 300 euros + taxes. it is quite expensive but so hard to find such complete outfit.....
I bought also a FT2 and a Voskhod (with active lightmeter...incredible...!!).
I miss a F21.... too expensive...
There is another auction in Limoges next friday...With a few Russian cameras too...I think I will be there as I am in Toulouse all week...Not so far..
All the best
Fred |
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1020 Posts
My Collection
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Kris Lockyear
womble
United Kingdom
70 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Dec 12 2011 : 12:59:08 PM
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Romanian spy cameras (with 9 lenses?!) and stereo FEDs... there is some amazing stuff about.
Thanks for sharing it with us.
K. |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
590 Posts |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
My Collection
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Juhani Halmeenmaki
cedricfan
Finland
1020 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Dec 14 2011 : 12:22:29 PM
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There should be a plastic "lens" that covers the "flash ready" lamp now well visible.
Best regards,
Juhani |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Dec 17 2011 : 09:00:32 AM
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A classic Kiev 1948, mainly with Jena parts. Not really different from my Kiev 1949. 1948 Kievs seem very variable from the Dresden side to the Jena one...
The lens is interesting. It's a late rigid 1948 ZK one which looks regular.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Kiev 1948 002.jpg
In the back, one of my two cats. And between the two, a prewar Kine Exakta: massive and impressive. Much more sophisticated than the contemporaneous Leicas or Feds! It's not the first TLR: it has the rectangular magnifier, not the round one.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Fred_L
France
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Dec 18 2011 : 09:17:43 AM
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Hi Fred,
Beautiful! And complete, with all the papers...
It seems you had it in France, perhaps Limoges?
I gave up trying to collect such outfits: not enough room...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Fred_L
France
226 Posts |
Posted - Dec 18 2011 : 1:08:23 PM
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Hi Jacques!!
I bought it on ebay to a guy who is also a professional seller and who lives in Normandie..
I went to Limoges last friday
Very interesting sale... Only a few people in the room.. So most of item have been sold a starting price, except 2 or 3 very special items.
Not a lot of Russian cameras..
I got a Kiev IIIa and Jupiter 8 in good shape (light meter ok) for 36 euros and a very nice Salyut S with Vega and back for 60 euros. Only problem for this one, is that I see only one curtain on shutter...Not easy to fix..
As prices were very low, I came back with 2 full cases of different cameras.. I need to sell them now and buy new Russian cameras...
The best was a Nikkor QD-C 5.6/15mm AI like new...Not really Russian lens....
All the best
Fred |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jan 12 2012 : 2:32:23 PM
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Jacques,
congrats to the 1948 KIEV.
Here are my 2 newest finds.
First a Zorki 3 with early serial number and screw in the middle under the rangefinder window:
I have installed new shutter curtains and now it works fine.
The second is a rarity I think. It's a Horizont Revue with matching box, the two filters, the hand grip, german papers and german instruction booklet! I have never seen a complete set before. Only the leather bag is missing.
An interesting thing: The name Horizont is written with a "Z" on the booklet and the camera itself, but on the box there is written in big letters "HORISONT-REVUE" with an "S" :-)
Unfortunately someone has removed all body screws (I think, I have replacements) and the release button has fallen out (but it was in the packet).
Edit: As I see on Aidas' site it is this one:
http://sovietcams.com/index.php?-2017518783
"6. Very uncommon version, under name "Horizont Revue" in Roman characters. Were released for W.Germany market. Very few early cameras have 1/250s markings on the top plate."
It has the 1/250s marking. So it seems to be a nice find :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Jan 15 2012 : 11:47:34 AM
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Hi Ulrich!
I did not know there are "Horizont Revue"...
Your early Zorki 3 is fine: they are becoming rare now. And your lens is probably the good one by the datas. I bought my # 00707 without lens, and I have put on it a '52 one.
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Jan 16 2012 : 3:05:07 PM
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Jacques,
I knew about the Horizont Revue (I have seen one or two on ebay the last years), but I have never seen one (or a normal Horizont) with box and papers.
Yes, I think it's the original lens on the Zorki 3. 707 is a nice serial number, are you now looking for number 747? :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
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Posted - Jan 25 2012 : 4:34:47 PM
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Martti,
great finds, specially the FED lens. I am looking for one of it too, but they are really rare to find.
By the way, most of the missing screws of the Horizont-Revue I could find in the packet, and for the other ones I have had replacements. Now it works and looks as new.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Jan 25 2012 : 5:10:48 PM
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Bravo for the 4,5/28mm Fed lens.
Serial number between 40xxx and 46xxx, I suppose?
I have one, never tried...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Posted - Jan 25 2012 : 5:51:16 PM
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Number is 46370 and there is extra number 34 opposide side of serial.
I am thinking to try it, someday. |
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
590 Posts |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Posted - Jan 26 2012 : 4:11:57 PM
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Alexander, is it possible to get some detail pictures of the lens?
Thank you! |
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Fred_L
France
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Feb 13 2012 : 4:17:15 PM
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One of the rarest Fed accessories.
I suppose it doesn't work? Or I will have it mine repaired...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Martti Muda
fotomuda
Estonia
155 Posts
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 : 03:34:15 AM
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| I can see a little respont to light, but yes, it is not working! |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 : 1:22:10 PM
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A very nice No Name Kiev arrived here today. It looks like new, even the matching leather case without name is like new. And it works very smooth.
It is from 1963, comes with a 1,5/50 Sonnar lens and has not the OCCUPIED engraving on the back! So which version is it? As I know the first series has the additional engraving, is from 1963 and has Sonnar lens, and the second series is from 1964 without the engraving on the back and without Sonnar lens or with Jupiter lens. And as I can see nobody has opened it before, so no mix of parts.
What's that? While inspecting the leather bag I found "USSR OCCUPIED GERMANY" printed inside on the leather strap of the bag. Has anyone seen this before?
Edit: Here's a picture of the leather strap:
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Jacques M.
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 : 3:13:19 PM
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Bravo, Ulrich!
I don't have such a "no name"...
BTW, what is the serial number of the Sonnar? It seems that some sellers put any Zeiss lens on this camera...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 : 3:33:32 PM
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Jacques,
thanks. It's a post war Sonnar from Zeiss Ikon Stuttgart, a late one without the red coating marking. So it seems to be the original one. The serial number is 1170766. I have had two or three of them, their serial numbers are very different, some have only 5 digits, some have seven digits and the numbers spread wide. I don't know how Zeiss Ikon has numbered the Sonnars in post war times.
By the way, I haven't cleaned the camera until now, it comes out of the sellers packet in this state :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 : 4:10:37 PM
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Hi Ulrich,
About postwar numbers, for CZ Oberkochen (Stuttgart):
- # 10000 to 500000:years 1946-50 (Opton)
- # 500000 to 1,1 Mn: years 51-53 (Opton)
- # 1,1Mn to 2,6 Mn: years 53-59 (CZ, except for Comecon sales)
For CZ Jena (East Germany), the numbers follow prewar ones:
- # 3 Mn to 3,2 Mn: 1945-49,
- # 3,2 Mn to 3,47 Mn: 49-52,
- # 3,47 Mn to 4 Mn: 52-55,
- # 4 Mn to 5 Mn: 55-58.
Here are the official numbers, not very precise, I confess. If it can help...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 14 2012 : 4:19:46 PM
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Jacques,
thanks. So it's one of the first ones that are labeled with "Carl Zeiss" only. That's nice :-)
It would be interesting to know which 1,5 Sonnars were put on the No Name Kievs, but I think we don't have enough samples for it...
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 15 2012 : 4:32:12 PM
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Jacques,
I have cleaned it now (even if there was only a bit dirt on it) and now it looks really as "out of the factory". I've never had such a shiny Kiev before! Seems that the NoName Kievs have better chrome finish.
Edit: Here's a picture after cleaning it.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
Edited by - uwittehh on Feb 15 2012 5:30:21 PM |
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Fred_L
France
226 Posts |
Posted - Feb 15 2012 : 5:40:10 PM
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Hi Ulrich
I have one too!!
Tha same as you got
No Name as new with serial n° 6307326....
And Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar T 2/5cm n°3059424
As yours, no engraving from UUSR occupied Germany... Nothing
I will make pics this week end and post them....
Fred |
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Fred_L
France
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Fred_L
France
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 16 2012 : 2:00:49 PM
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Fred,
both cameras are really nice. I think the lens of the 1950 Kiev is the right one, but on the No Name Kiev is a lens of the late 40ies made by Carl Zeiss in Jena. As I know they were delivered with Zeiss Sonnars from Stuttgart/Oberkochen. But it's a nice lens it's one of the sort that was delivered with the Jena Contax or the TSVVS (regarding to the number).
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
2604 Posts |
Posted - Feb 16 2012 : 2:34:23 PM
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Hello Fred (and Ulrich!),
A vey fine 1950 Kiev II, with a matching ZK lens, as it seems.
It's difficult to say if it is the right good one: my datas (thanks for them!) show that we can have very close bodies with lenses the numbers of which are (a bit) more large.
As far as I know, it's not exactly the same for the "no names". It seems that the 1963 bodies were assembled with different lenses: prewar CZJ which were always in stock, early postwar CZJ or even Opton which had not been used. Difficult to say more, as there are not many cameras of which we can discuss. The 1964 are easier: all seem to have the 1964 Jupiter...
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 25 2012 : 4:07:41 PM
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Another nice find, a preseries FED 2a with low serial number (001231) in very nice looking condition.
Unfortunately the shutter was broken and so I disassembled it to repair it. It's really interesting these early preseries FED 2a are different inside. So there is a light baffle inside that hides the shutter drums and the two curtain rollers are hold by a plate on top which makes it easy to install the shutter. Very nice made.
And I have found out why it looks so new... It seems that it gets broken very early and unfortunately one small piece is broken that could not be repaired (only if you have another camera with such a low serial I think): The stop pin in the shutter under the big gear on the bottom was broken. You need a lot of force to break it, so I think that it was broken installed by factory and breaks short after using the camera. So it's a nice item for the shelf only.
Here are pictures of the light baffle inside the body and the plate on top of the shutter housing that holds the two rollers.
I forgot... Interesting is a comparison of the viewfinder window. The size of the early one is a bit bigger than on later ones. Here compared to a normal FED 2a. On top the 001231, on bottom one with serial 23xxx:
Ulrich
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Edited by - uwittehh on Feb 25 2012 4:12:38 PM |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 26 2012 : 06:50:16 AM
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Hi Ulrich!
Thanks for the photos!
What you say about the size of the viewfinder window is interesting. Is the # 23xxx a preseries too, or a crossover model with preseries release button and round window?
All that would deserve a special study...
Amitiés. Jacques. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Feb 26 2012 : 07:19:53 AM
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Jacques,
yes, I also wondered about the size of the viewfinder window. The one I got from you (003729) has the normal sized window.
The 023015 is a normal FED 2a with the round range finder window and the round collar around the release button. I think it could be one of the first ones, I also own a preseries crossover model with round range finder window and preseries release button that has number 022304.
Ulrich
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Feb 26 2012 : 09:09:26 AM
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Thanks for these precisions, Ulrich.
Perhaps there are other interesting parameters to examine closely on early Fed 2.
I remember for example having weighed the very early Alain's Fed 2 (number 000007, but I am not sure about the number of 0 !). And it was heavier than the "regular" preseries, much than expected, anyway (# c.10% if I remember).
Jacques.
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Sandor Szilagyi
Messsucher
Hungary
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Posted - Feb 26 2012 : 3:14:32 PM
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Nice find Ulrich!
Mine came two weeks ago. N-011833 :)
Btw. frame around viewfinder window: my Fed-2a (N-012923) has thin frame.
SzS. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Mar 02 2012 : 4:46:09 PM
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Jacques,
more to the FED 2a 23015: It lies here since 2 or 3 years with a broken shutter in a box and I just took it out to see if I can repair the broken shutter of the 001231 with some parts of it. But they differed too much.
Now after looking on Aidas site I've seen that this 23015 seems to be an early "Type A2". As he knows they start at 27.000 so mine seems to be a nice find out off a box with broken cameras :-)
Now I have installed new shutter curtains on it and it works quite as a Leica.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
Edited by - uwittehh on Mar 02 2012 4:49:19 PM |
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Jacques M.
France
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Posted - Mar 06 2012 : 04:52:27 AM
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Fine, Ulrich!
And what about the weights of the different elements of each camera?
Are there differences? It would be possible on prototype/preseries cameras...
Amitiés. |
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
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Posted - Mar 11 2012 : 10:06:03 AM
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Jacques,
I don't have such a fine scale to weight the parts, sorry.
Ulrich
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Fred_L
France
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Fred_L
France
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Ulrich W.
uwittehh
Germany
837 Posts
My Collection
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Posted - Mar 11 2012 : 2:00:08 PM
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Fred,
great finds! Specially the light meter in working condition. I can not say anything to the selenium cell because I have never had such a light meter. Maybe it was repaired sometimes ago?
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.de |
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Jacques M.
France
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Alexander K.
AlexanderK
Germany
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Posted - Mar 11 2012 : 5:21:14 PM
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Great find, Fred.
I have two of them: 61xx and 3-6xx, the both are without any inclusions.
I agree with Jacques, it seems to be not in original conditions, but it is anyway a very rare lightmeter. Congratulation!
Regards, Alexander |
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Fred_L
France
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Posted - Mar 11 2012 : 7:03:38 PM
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Thank you all
I am a little bit disapointed because it seems to be really part of the meter...Not added part.... |
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