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Topic author: mermoz37
Posted on: 20100105110903
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Reply author: Poolhall
Replied on: 20100105142353
Good finds Alain I have heard of non painted Krystall before -I wonder if they were done at the end of production? Maybe when the factory realised the painted finish was not popular? Or maybe they had no paint that day! I say this because I have had 2 different Krystalls one had a greenish primer paint under the hammered finish and one didn't, just the hammered paint, suppose anything is possible if supplies are not there and production numbers have to be kept up[:)]
Samsung GX-10,too many Russian Lenses, A lot of Zenits, an Almaz 103 a few Yashica,and finally a Minox35GT
Reply author: Michel
Replied on: 20100105161457
Congratulations, Mr. Berry for these two superb finds !!
[:)][:D][:)][:D][:)][:D]
Reply author: Guido
Replied on: 20100105205927
Hello Alain
For the Krystall I can confirm the existence of this variant. Alexander Schulz showed one in his book "Zenit" from 2003 with the s/n 61021914. When I talked to him about this item he said that he had only found this one and never seen an other later.
Also Alexandr on www.fotoua.com shows one of them at this link:
http://fotoua.com/1cameratip.php?seek2=143&seek1=140&usl=&usl1=&seek3=2&rd=4&st=7He writes that the s/n observed goes from 61017708 to 62032739. The rarity code "R4" shows that's a uncommon camera.
Aidas shows one of them with s/n 62009728 at:
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?1040184497(well, maybe it's not exactly the same type of camera or just a variation of it?)
In the book "1200 cameras" you can find one of this kind on page 136 (or has it a chroming like the earlier Kristall 2 prototypes from 1960?). I can't read the text ... :-/
After all it's a very nice camera, one of the ones I like the most in the Zenit collection.
Best wishes - Guido
Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: 20100105223151
Hello Alain,
Very nice finds you have there! Nice way to start the year!
Regards, Bill
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100106053510
thanks friends for vey informative comments !
So, what can you tell about Lubitel ?
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100106074414
Just arrived in your collection, but only for the moment, Alain, if I understand well? [:D]
Nothing really interesting to say about your Lubitel. But it's the first time I see a non hammered Krystall... Thanks!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: cedricfan
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Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100106091743
Hi Juani...
well done : a real rarity [}:)] !
Reply author: okynek
Replied on: 20100106105902
Question about Kristal: is top of the camera made from stamped aluminum or it pressure molded as on all Kristals?
Juhani - good way to start a New Year!!!!
Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: 20100107021957
Dear Alain,
congratulations on you new findings!!! Both cameras are great, but I would like to say few words about your NO-NAME Lubitel ... [:)] I have an information in my archives, that a limited quantity of No-name Lubitels with new LOMO logo on the lens were intended for foreign distributor indeed. I was lucky to see a camera, identical to yours, but with additional nameplate plaque fixed in the blank place. The particular camera had name "LUNA" and were intended for Greece (???) market ... [:)]
... but if I could vote for all cameras shown here, my vote goes for Juhani's Liliput obviously ... [:D][:D][:D]
Best Regards,
Aidas
Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: 20100107022530
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100107045026
dear Okinek : my opinion (I am not a metal work specialist ) it is a die cast aluminium made.
dear Aidas : thanks a lot (as usual !) for information....it will be nice if you can find a picture of "Luna" camera brand (but I think quite impossible now...?)
Alain
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20100107092801
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... but if I could vote for all cameras shown here, my vote goes for Juhani's Liliput obviously ... [:D][:D][:D]
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Just waiting to see an even more interesting camera here soon [;)]
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100107093820
If it's a vote, no doubt, mine is for Juhani's camera too! [:D]
Those coloured Lilliput are pure marvels!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: 20100107094353
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mermoz37</i>
<br />dear Okinek : my opinion (I am not a metal work specialist ) it is a die cast aluminium made.
dear Aidas : thanks a lot (as usual !) for information....it will be nice if you can find a picture of "Luna" camera brand (but I think quite impossible now...?)
Alain
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Alain,
everything is possible in behalf of good friends ... [;)] Below you will find a picture of Luna-Lubitel, sent to me by camera collector from Greece some time ago ...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_lubitel-luna.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/712010_lubitel-luna.jpgBest Regards,
Aidas
Reply author: AidasCams
Replied on: 20100107100122
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100107101612
nothing impossible for you ...damned Aidas !!!
So thanks a lot !
Alain
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20100107104850
Just what I waited to see here, the brother! Somehow I knew that you would surprise us [^]
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: okynek
Replied on: 20100107144831
Thank you Alain for answer!
I was hoping that top of chrome Kristall made same way as on Zenit 3 - by stamping. I have my theory how Kristall was born. May be some day I'll post it.
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100108041625
okynek ....yes , please tell me now your theory ...even if it is a fantasy ;-) which one can say vodka effects on soviets engineers [:o)]
Reply author: okynek
Replied on: 20100122160325
There are my thoughts, which are not backed up by any paperwork, as I know.
I think that Kristall, as Mir-Zorki4, and Zarya-FED2, was mean to be a cheap version of mainstream camera Zenit 3M.
Zenit 3M I think was intended to have lighmeter and slow speeds. All this in 1962.
But manufacturing problems did not let this materialize. And after year or so, KMZ gives up and rename Kristall to Zenit 3M.
Arguments for this theory are camera itself. Look how it constricted; it has special room for lightmeter and for slow speed gears.
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20100125100346
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100125111637
congratulation Juani ....good hunter diploma !!!
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20100128125017
Hello,
I have found a red Liliput, but the price for the camera is too high (I think so). How much must cost this camera today?
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: cedricfan
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Reply author: RCCCUK
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Reply author: AlexanderK
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Reply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: 20100219165329
David,
What a wonderful find !
It looks to be in beautiful shape.
Good luck in tracking down the few items to complete it.
Congratulations !!
Steve
Reply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: 20100219165408
David,
What a wonderful find !
It looks to be in beautiful shape.
Good luck in tracking down the few items to complete it.
Congratulations !!
Steve
Reply author: uwittehh
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100220092126
Hi David,
Really a marvelous item. In fact the dream of most of us!
It seems as if the serial number of the body is between c. 40000 and 60000? A late 1b or an early 1c?
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20100220093338
Alexander, that's a super rare camera - congratulations!
And David - WOW! You found the holy grail! This piece really culminates a collecting career! Bravo!
Cheers,
Vlad
Reply author: RCCCUK
Replied on: 20100220093926
Hi Jacques,
The FED body is a late 1b, which surprises me. I would have expected it to be a 1c or even a 1d as the outfit was manufactured in 1944. It is possible that this is not the original FED, as it would be quite easy to swap the mounting plate. On the other hand, maybe KMZ took over the remaining stock of cameras, parts and lenses from GOI.
David
(http://www.rcccuk.com)
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100221095309
Hi David,
I have in my datas the FS2 serial number 1200 (made in 1944), body number 61557. So an early 1c with 1/1000th, that time.
It was sold by Westlicht auction (auction n° 6).
Probably KMZ were using what they found, including spare parts, to mount these items. Certainly it was not easy to find brand new Fed 1 in 1944!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: cedricfan
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Reply author: cedricfan
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Reply author: uwittehh
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Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20100307093139
Wow nice loot, Juhani!! Congrats! Is that Smena repaired or this metal bar supposed to be there?
..off to Chicago camera fair now, maybe I'll find me some interesting things.. doubt it though [:)]
Vlad
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20100307102229
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by uwittehh</i>
...FED 1 one. It's only 9 numbers away from mine...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Ha, in time we will have so many near numbers collected here that it is easier to count the missing ones [:D]
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by uwittehh</i>
Why didn't you by the sport or the FED S? What were the prices at the collectors fair in Helsinki?
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Wallet... the prices were reasonable for such rarities, but a huge pile of money though [V]
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Vlad</i>
Is that Smena repaired or this metal bar supposed to be there?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I can not see anything wrong comparing to Aidas website, other than using a Zenit battery tube as "foot". I didn't notice that the camera itseöf has a clevery hidden foot [;)]
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20100307124441
Juhani, sorry I thought that metal piece on front was a repair job, but now I see that's just a part of a camera [:)] I don't have one so I'm not very familiar with these cameras..
Zenit-122 Pobeda - why is it that they all are found in Finland? [;)]
Vlad
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20100307124558
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Vlad</i>
Zenit-122 Pobeda - why is it that they all are found in Finland? [;)]
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Vodka tourists visiting Leningrad [:I][:o)]
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100307125425
hey...I found mine in Paris [:D]
by the way : I am looking for a cyrrilics print "Zenit 122" ...if anyone know , please tell me [;)]
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20100307130433
Hmm ok [:)]. Still I haven't yet seen a Z-122 Pobeda sold inside the former USSR [:)].
Alain, I'll keep an eye for you for that 122 if you keep an eye out for me where to buy Elikon-3 [;)] (if you have one for yourself of course already).
Vlad.
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20100307130755
My Elikon-3 is from Germany, or most likely from former DDR
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20100307131419
Yea I've been hunting for that camera for over a year already...
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100308044126
hey hey...[:D]
I just bought Elikon 3,quite new (but badly made!) , two weeks ago in Russia [;)]
now my Elikon serie is complete...
Sometime , I am lucky ! [^][^][^]
Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: 20100308083533
Juhany
Congratulations for your acquisition
According to my still "expert eyes" you have the gratest rarity on the Sport camera (regretably you didn't buy) once its normal lens is made by Kazan. an extremely rare early postwar assembly
regards
LP
Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: 20100308083934
Tomlinson
My hurras on your acquisition the highly praised 1944 PhotoSniper
Regards
LP
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20100310152231
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100310153014
Mmmm Alexander!
Thanks for your two cameras!
Possible to have more details about the passport of your Fed 1a (date, serial number of the lens).
And why green curtains?
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20100310160039
Hello Jacques,
sorry, it was my mistake. It is not a passport, but simply a user manual. The serial number of the lens is 5977. Why the curtains are green I don't know, but they are really green [:)]:
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1032010_20100310_023.JPG
I have found these "green" curtains also in Princelle: "FED type 1a variant 8" (p.94)
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20100310162257
Wow, those curtains ARE from 75 years ago...
But is there any early FEDs, noname-Kievs and Kyivs left to others than us? Or do the others need them?
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20100310163245
Alexander,
as I know they have installed green curtains when they didn't have the stuff for black curtains. So it's a real rarity, congratulations.
Your Kiev no name is another nice find, I have looked for it so long but I have never found any... Where do you have these 2 cameras from? :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20100310164005
Juhani,
about 6000 FED 1a do exist, so there are a lot of them for us... :-) Ok, nobody knows how many survived the years and the war. But I think that there are more than 1000 or 2000 left for the collectors.
KIIVS are more rare, we don't know the number of built items until now. But.. nobody else than us needs them ;-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: 20100310203328
The engraving on the top plate appears to be the same as a model 1b (I think).
Is this correct, and if so are there any numbers as to how many had this engraving?
Thanks,
Steve
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100311031145
Hello,
About your Fed, Alexander, I think it is a rarity. Anyway, I never saw another one: it has a "brushed" chrome which could be found (till now) only on 1a with vertical engravings.
This camera should be one of the first 1b, before the one with normal chrome (and always without accessory clip). And after the serial number of the lens, it is original.
As Ulrich says, the 1a are rare: about 6000 were originally made. And a good part of them were probably refurbished at the factory.
The first 1b (YCCP inscription, without clip) are much rarer: probably 1500 to 2000 were produced. As for yours, it is the first!
Concerning the curtains, there is always a camera for sale on eBay with such green ones: a 1d serial number 13xxxx (probably repairs). It is the first time too that I see that on a 1a/1b.
So: Congratulations!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20100311033452
Jacques: there does exist cromed ones of 1A (type 6), see previous page. And according to Aidas "Serial Number Range: #5.800-#6.000 Quantity: appr. 200 units".
Like Ulrich says it is also my opinion that a great lot of the early FEDs "died" already in WWII, and how many have been rebuilt after that & thus lost their old identity?
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100311040937
Hi Juhani,
There does exist brushed chrome (or galvanized) and plain chrome 1a: I absolutely agree.
But if Alexander's one is a 1b as it seems, it is the first time I see a galvanized 1b!!
As for the died and risen from the dead: impossible to answer your question! [:D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100311042436
I have just checked that on Aidas's site: this # 5298 should be the real type B1.
Really, that classificator is much more convenient than a paper one...
Amitiés. Jacques.
<font color="blue"></font id="blue">Sorry Juhani: confusion of words in my previous messages. For me, brushed chrome=galvanized (or machined) opposed to plain chrome.
Blasted English!
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20100311144004
I have one more galvanized FED-1 with No.6921, but already with accessory shoe (definitely 1b). It is very strange for me, that neither Princelle nor SSK-book tells anything about galvanized FED-1b.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: 20100311151532
The same confusion here. I also hace a galvanized camera, #2969.
This camera has the same top inscription of a 1b and also the second style viewfinder, rectangular with the step, not notched. Other than those two features all else is exactly as a 1a. By the serial number I would say I have a 1a but the inscription and viewfinder confuse me.
There seems to be a number of variables with both 1a and 1b cameras.
Steve
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100311154455
For me, I discover things I had never heard of!
Alexander, your n° 6129 is a 1b (engraved YCCP)galvanized? So, a second one? Astonishing! (The shoe can have been added, as for some 1a).
Steve, your n° 2969 is another mystery. As you say, there seems to be a great variability between 1a and 1b. Difficult to imagine how the factory used their spare parts.
Thanks for all these novelties. Some more cameras to look for, now! [:D][:D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Bull Halsey
Replied on: 20100311155103
Jacques,
What is your guess as to which model my camera would be?
Keep in mind this camera does not have a shoe.
Thank You,
Steve
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100311161139
Hi Steve,
Princelle classifies Fed cameras after the engraving. If we add the second type of rangefinder, and if we follow him, no doubt, your camera is a 1b. Of course, if we only follow the serial number...
About the shoe, the first 1b don't have one (mine, n° 7122 is a regular [:D] 1b without shoe).
Another thing is the lens: what is the serial number? Is it a "one turn" or a "half turn"? The first ones were made for the 1a and the first 1b.
It would be very interesting to speculate about the making of your camera: how can it be "out of the rule" at that point (serial number and galvanization)?
All that is most exciting! But as you see, nothing new...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20100311184016
Alexander, this is fascinating find! Fist time I see a galvanized 1b!! Congratulations! And so close to #6000!
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100312052356
Hi friend ...
I suggest :
To be the most precise possible when to classify our cameras:
It would be necessary not to use any more the word "galvanized" .
The process employed here (and what I learnt in "60's",when I was technical student) is called "scratching": it allowed an excellent precision of finish of surface a time when we did not still use grindstones ot chrome for finish.
The tool employed for this work is called "hand scraper".
So, According with the philosophy of JL Princelle, we can see there, in the irregularities of the drawing on the metal, a touching signature of those who made these cameras
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For those who want to know more about it, look here: in particular look at the aspect obtained on flat surfaces of machines (precision, approximately : 2 to 3 microns)
http://www.usinages.com/le-grattage-t1158-135.htmlReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100312103556
Of course you are right Alain. And we already talked of scratching together. By the way, which metal is scratched on our Feds?
Anyway, even not galvanized, these scratched 1b are the first I see!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: 20100312114444
Yes, Alain, I agree. "Galvanized" is a chemical treatment of a metal surface and these FEDs are finished with a physical action that may be called "scratched" or more accurately, "burnished finish" or "given a circular patterned finish, lightly inscribed into the metal, using a machine tool".
Probably this finish (which varies greatly in individual patterns and characteristics from camera to camera) was made using a type of hand-held machine tool with rough filing stone attached to the end, much the same as one of the attachments seen on modern "dremel" tools, and which was used at FED for finishing and smoothing the rough edges off other parts during production.
Maybe to make it simple in conversation and writing "burnished finish" would be more accurate.
Regards, Bill
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20100313043906
And didn't FED start with making electric drills, a Black & Decker copy? Which would have meant that they did have the machinery "at home"?
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100313055902
Fine idea!
You are probably right, Juhani.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100313105332
It was an hand tool.
I had such a tool in hand in the past (Tugsten steel made whith long handle (about 40 cm handle)
whith 3 rondish sharp hedges.
Whith it , we scrap chrom interiors cylinders on motor engines.
On our camera , metal is hard brass. Surface is hard chrome , no doubt, but you know , it is very difficult to have a clean flat surfaced brass under chrome. So the chrome finish is bad if you do not polish , a long time , the brass surface befaore chrom process.
My opinion is : in the factory they do not know how to do for a soft matt or bright chrome surface as well as they saw on Leica patterns. May be an ingeneer said " try to scrap the chrome as well as you do on FED drill machines"(do not forgot : machine tools making FED drill went from Ostereich at this time (read Makarenko text)whith this nice industrial surface look.
My friends, it was just for having an entertaining conversation about these enigmatic Fed!
Alain
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100313105845
PS: mine is N° 1964 (step window) "Trudkomunia"
Reply author: nightphoto
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Reply author: mermoz37
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Ok bill...
I agree ! you are right ![:)]
(good sharp "zorki" eyes!)
Reply author: mermoz37
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Reply author: nightphoto
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Reply author: Vlad
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Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: 20100315200901
So far, I don't think anyone has seen a nozzle or prism unit for the FED Stereo Lens. That is one of the reasons that even the first version is considered to be fake. The nozzle brings the distance of the two images to be similar to the distance of the human eye and so produces a true stereo illusion. Without the nozzle you will not have as much of a stereo effect ... maybe almost none. When I get time I will try taking photos with this one I have and see what happens.
Maybe there can be some chance that the FED Stereo lenses were made in a small quantity and the nozzle was never made, but it is doubtful since nozzle / splitters were made years later for the KIEV and Zorki (although without a double lens ... just using a normal lens).
Regards, Bill
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20100317194337
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20100317195253
Bill,
I heard someone say once that these are Lomo Smena or Lubitel lenses in that Stemar, is that easy to check? Unfortunately I didn't think to do that when I was holding one in my hand that Steve had, we had a meeting going on... I wonder if anyone ever took one apart? Just curious what's under the hood if you take off those 4 screws.. [;)]. Anyone daring to try?
Vlad
Vlad
Vlad.
Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: 20100318002606
Vlad,
I have heard they are Smena lenses ... but I don't know. Can be anything. I would not want to take mine apart. Interesting that Steve's is just one number away from mine. And on a different model of FED as well!
Regards, Bill
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20100318003610
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by nightphoto</i>or is it possible that the early ones are a real product of FED, made in the late 1940s and so put on the Berdsk model? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Think again, why was that camera Berdsk? I think there was much more important things than stereo-lenses for 35mm cameras that time! Cameras were needed in wartime & just after, and even when factory was in exile, but not items like this.
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20100318134957
Bill,
I'll try to examine Steve's camera closer next time, maybe he can bring it again to the next collectors meeting here.
Vlad
Reply author: nightphoto
Replied on: 20100318143353
Hi Juhani,
But here is the whole thing I said:
"So, maybe these early versions were all put on FED Berdsk cameras for some reason ... (or is it possible that the early ones are a real product of FED, made in the late 1940s and so put on the Berdsk model? ... probably they are just fakes, but maybe worth thinking about!)"
Although there are good military applications for stereo during war time, you are probably right that it would in no way be a priority to make 35 mm stereo lenses. And aside from that, there have never been seen, as far as I know, and leather cases, passports, or instructions for these lenses. And if I we to bet on the FED Stereo Lens being authentic FED product ... You and me, Juhani would be on the same side of that bet ... no good odds!
Regards, Bill
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20100318151041
Bill, agreed!
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20100318224347
oh, and Steve, just to clarify something, I'm not asking if I can take apart your lens [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D], just to look at it again in detail, I never really did beyond taking pictures last time [:D]
Vlad
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by the way ....if anyone know how to buy a cyrillics print Zenit 122 ...I am ready [:)]
thanks ....
Reply author: Bull Halsey
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I jyst received the latest addition to my collection, a Beautiful TSVVS, 1950, #816.
I have to admit to all the positive reports about this camera. The weight and balance, brass body, very smooth shutter, and its clean appearance.
FED, where have you been hiding?
Steve
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20100326182044
Wow Steve!! Congrats!! You HAVE TO bring it to our next collectors society meeting so I can leave some fingerprints on it! [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
Reply author: Bull Halsey
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:-)
You will have to wear gloves !!
All kidding aside, I'm really surprised as to the build quality of this camera.
The technicians that assembled these cameras knew what they were doing. Obviously the plan was to put together a limited quantity of bodies.
The only thing that throws me is why the smaller viewfinder? Any ideas?
Steve
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100327102248
Wonderful! Perhaps I will hunt for a 1950 one to put close to my 1949 TSVVS. But mine was already difficult to find...
The small viewfinder is said to be more precise and the yellow rangefinder would be better for contrast. All that in a plane. But is it a legend? If somebody knows...
My last camera is a Contax Ic with a beautiful and early Sonnar. It is now near its twin bother, my Ia. Both are perfectly working, and a bit OT, I fear! But I could not refrain...[:D] And there are too lovers of Contaxes here, he, Michel and Stephan?
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: stephanvdz
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last in my collection...
leica n° 1505...
a retina 1 with a tessar...
and various things with zeiss names ...
but it's ot
Stephan
Reply author: uwittehh
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Jacques,
I love the Contax too... I have a beautiful II and III and a IIIa. And I love the Leica IIIa and the M3 here... but that's all OT ;-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100328040421
Fine!
A I(A) with mushroom release, Stephan?
Ulrich, I own some other Contaxes too, but I think the I are the mst interesting, like the Ia and Ib for Fed.
Perhaps the Boss will decide to close this topic, unless we can prove that Leicas are copies of Fed (and Contaxes of Kievs, of course)? [:D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Reply author: cedricfan
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Well, old news for me, I have one. Got it for free with a Zenit...
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: stephanvdz
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no sadly, n°1505 is now somekind of a IIc ... factory upgrade... but it has seen a lot of use, but mechanics are perfect...
got a black (converted) IIIc too... nice and pleasant to use
I also found a very nice 1938 Ditmar 16mm movie camera (with an integrated selenium cell) with some military history (american side)...
there was a contax II jean on ebay but I was not the only one to spot it, went away far too high for my actual income ;-)
I'm still actively looking for
- a fed-zorki with fast (and how knows slow ?) speed
- a contax 1
and someone who could repair my kiev88s (one without erratic slow speed, one with jammed shutter) ...
Stephan
Reply author: mermoz37
Replied on: 20100329053641
Ulrich,
this lens is a little bit common : special edition in 80 'S for Moscow olympic games . you can match it easily on a Zenit 80's body whith such a logo ans so make a nice set.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20100331171904
Alain and Juhani,
thanks, I thought it was more uncommon :-) But nevertheless I like the lens box with the "golden" name on it.
But another goodie is on the way to me, a FED 1B (Type B3) with serial number 9xxx :-) I hope it arrives the next days to me.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: cedricfan
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Here "rare" has a different meaning [:D]
What I also like in that Jupi-box is the strap lugs. Many times I wonder how they carried their equipment back in USSR-times. In coat pockets?
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100401052838
With a non flush rangefinder (= ridge), Ulrich?
Yesterday, I bought a Fed-Zorki # 02373. The only one which is not in Japan and not bought by Jeff! [:D]
Interesting: some details seem later than on my # 03278. I will do a close comparison when I have it.
Really, all that (and specially this topic) is ruinous...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
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Jacques,
today the FED arrives here. You are right, it has a rectangular viewfinder with a small step to the top, just like the FED 1B3 on Aidas site.
And you are right too, this thread is ruinous... :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: uwittehh
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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OK, finally, perhaps I'm not so crazy! [:D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Grmbl... I hate days like this :-) I saw an early Zorki 1b on ebay (serial number 17xxx) and won it. I only wanted to have it for comparison against my Zorki 1a and my later Zorki 1b models and then sell it away...
But it is the smoothest Zorki 1 that I ever have seen. It cocks so easy and smooth, it releases quiet and it looks nice too. So this is a real russian Leica and I have to keep it :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: AlexanderK
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I have found last week a very interesting FED-lens, that I have not seen live before.
It is FED-Stereo (Leitz Stemar copy) with s/n 205. It seems to be a 2nd version with black engraving. It looks optically very good, the diaphragm seems to be working and I am going to try my luck with taking pictures with this lens.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/752010_IMG_1475.JPG
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: uwittehh
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<br />I have found last week a very interesting FED-lens, that I have not seen live before.
It is FED-Stereo (Leitz Stemar copy) with s/n 205. It seems to be a 2nd version with black engraving. It looks optically very good, the diaphragm seems to be working and I am going to try my luck with taking pictures with this lens.
Regards, Alexander
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I have seen it on ebay. After I have seen the price I have asked me "what crazy guy has got this... 500 bucks" Now I see that it is one of the crazy guys from here :-D
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: uwittehh
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By the way... some weeks are gone since the "big packet" arrived here. It was a real surprise. First thougth was "No one has a bag, but all have spools in it!"
Besides the dark brown FED 2 there are some nice things:
A red and a blue FED 2, the red one will replace the one in my collection. If anybody wants to have a nice red FED 2b mail me :-)
A Zorki-Zorki 1b in nice condition with 5 digits serial number and a Zorki 1e like new.
One very nice FED 2a with low 5 digits serial.
And a very late FED 2d Type D7 according to Aidas' site. Serial number starts with 6827.
Some of the other Zorki 1 had broken shutters. Btw, I have seen a lot of broken shutters (holes in the curtains, hard curtains and so on) on Zorki 1c models with serials in between 200000 and 300000 before. Earlier and later Zorkis mostly have intact shutter curtains.
Ulrich
PS: The blue and my red FED 2, the Zorki 1e are to sell :-)
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: AlexanderK
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Hello Ulrich,
you are right, it is crazy to collect russian cameras at all [:D]. I just wanted to see it live and now I have the perfect possibility to do it! I don't worry about the price, this lens goes on eBay with the same price as I got it [:)]
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20100527141233
Another nice find :-) Today a silver Telemar 22 5.6/200 arrives here. It has M42 mount and serial number 000170. I think this is a nice low number :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Poolhall
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Thats funny Ulrich, I recently got a black m42 Telemar 22A serial 000415- great minds think alike. As a matter of interest the writing on the filter end of my lens is in roman not cyrillic script, I have not seen many pics of this lens but they all have cyrillic lettering -what is yours if I may ask?. BTW I have taken some shots with it and its not bad, a little low in contrast but very light and handy to use.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2752010__G109142.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2752010__G109142.jpgSamsung GX-10,too many Russian Lenses, A lot of Zenits, an Almaz 103 a few Yashica,and finally a Minox35GT
Reply author: cedricfan
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Today a nice Zorki 3 arrives here. A set I have never seen before. Camera in good condition, leather bag with the small plastic card, instruction booklet (never have one of the Zorki 3 seen before), papers in the booklet and Zorki 3 box!
The best is, the camera number on the box, on the papers and on the camera itself are the same, the lens serial number is the same as in the papers. So an original Zorki 3 set. I have never seen one before.
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/zorki3complete.jpg
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: jed
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Congratulations ! Even the box looks brand- new !
Reply author: uwittehh
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Jed,
yes, the box is really like new, as the whole camera. I have CLA'ed it today and now it looks as it comes out of the factory yesterday. Really nice and a very fine piece for my collection. It seems that it wasn't used for decades. Inside the camera was a small piece of paper with writings "Zorki 3, Jupiter, Box, Bag, Booklet, 4|2|1974". Maybe the seller or someone else has bought it in 1974 and never used since that time.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20100817093920
Bravo for this brand new 1954 Zorki 3, Ulrich!
The papers and the box are most interesting. But certainly you have room enough to collect all that is interesting! [:)]
Considering the serial number, I suppose your Zorki is a "classic" 3?
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
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Jacques,
thanks. Yes, it seems to be a classic Zorki 3, it has the stand foot like a Contax or early Kiev. But it has an arrow instead of a point engraved as marker for the speeds on the top. And the lens is one of the Jupiter 8 that is of older build type (the one that is not easy to disassemble :-)
And about the room for collecting all of them... don't aks :-D
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
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Jacques,
congrats to the KIIV IIIa and the stereo set. The camera looks really nice.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: uwittehh
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To push this thread a bit :-)
Today a never seen before I-50 arrived here. A collapsable version with printed aperture, name and KMZ sign on the front plate and an engraved number on the focus ring. It's made in 1959.
Ulrich
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Well, here's a curios lens... A M39 J-12, serial number starting with 87, so it should be from 1987. Made by LZOS. But it is silver! It looks like new, no marks of transplating a newer lens barrel into an old house. Until when do they have built silver J-12?
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
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Received this morning a 1949 Fed-Zorki with the correct lens. And two war time LTM Zeiss lenses: Sonnar 1,5/5cm and collapsible 2/5cm. Both T coated.
Fabulous! [:D]
I will open in a while a topic about war time Zeiss lenses, as forerunners of ZK...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20101031154651
Jacques,
congratulations to the FED-Zorki and the two lenses. What are the numbers of the Sonnar lenses?
As I said in the TSVVS thread I own one now. Here are some pictures after cleaning and reassembling it (maybe I disassemble it again to take comparision photos between it and a FED).
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/tsvvs03.jpg
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/tsvvs02.jpg
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/tsvvs01.jpg
Unfortunately the lever that locks the lens was missing, so I replaces it by one of a Kiev. But this one is a bit too long so the lens does not sit correctly in the middle. But as I have seen on IIRC Yuris site there may exist other TSVVS's with such lever and I have also seen pictures where this lever is missing.
Different to the one of Bill is that the handle to focus the lens is a big wider than the one on his, but I also have seen these wider handles on some pictures. Seems that they made different handles during the 2 years of production.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20101101053425
Hi Ulrich,
Two friends of mine have too slightly "incomplete" TSVVS. The one with the same part as you, the second with an incorrect release button (replaced by a Fed one). Perhaps the factory had some problems with parts?
Your TSVVS looks new now! Perhaps I could send you some tens of cameras to clean? [:D][:D]
My Sonnar lenses just arrived:
- 2/5cm T coated collapsible serial # 2711193,
- 1,5/5cm T coated (rigid)seial # 2786907.
Both with Leica screw mount.
It should be great to know more about the production of Zeiss during WW2. At least to have starting points for ZK lenses... I promised a topic about that problem. Not enough time actually!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20101102162218
Hi Jacques,
interesting, so it could be that mine was delivered without the lever and that the use of the two different levers was normal.
The serial numbers of your 2 M39 Zeiss lenses match the range I know about, so they may have been built in 1944. I have some articles about the production of M39 Zeiss lenses and some about the evolution of the Contax to the Kiev, but they are all in german. If you are interested in them let me know, I can send them to you. Or maybe Vlad can make a new topic in the history and documents section so that I can upload them.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20101103060758
Hi Ulrich,
By the common datas, these lenses would have been made a bit earlier, perhaps in 1942 or 1943. But there is an evident lack of precision for these years...
Certainly Vlad might open a new section in the part "history and documents": these information would be useful for anybody interested by Kiev. He could add too the two articles I noted in the topic "forerunners of Kiev 1947". If he thinks that useful. [:)]
Anyway I send you a PM: I will manage to translate these articles!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20101103195722
Hi Jacques, what articles are you talking about?
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: uwittehh
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Just saw it on eBay about two weeks ago - a Sokol 2 for a "buy it now" price of 9,95 Euro. Today it arrives, it seems to be an unused camera and it works fine. Even the mercury cell has enough power :-) It is made in 1983 and has the yellow/red squares on the top.
Sokol is like a brick, but I like those bricks :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Valkir1987
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http://lh5.ggpht.com/_qzLh8koPYTw/TPAlkhcSusI/AAAAAAAAACA/hdXBHW_QI8k/s912/HPIM0469.jpg
Just finished in my collection. :) A Fed 1f with serial number 232966. I really doubt the ring of the release collar is from Fed originally.
There was no lens unfortunately, so I decided to use a Leica compatible lens mount from a spare Zorki C. Shimmed it down to 28.8mm, still have to adjust correct readings for close focus!
Got it as a bunch of parts with cracked curtains, and put in new curtains. Cleaned out all the gears and treated the axes and some moving parts with special mineral watch oil. Believe me, that makes such a difference compared to other oils like; gun oil, sewing machine oil, wd40, machine oil, etc!
Its smooth and silent now, like a watch! [:D]
It must be tested nowadays... [:)]
Regards! ;)
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Reply author: Valkir1987
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Dear Juhani,
The link you posted is not the one you would like to show us! :)
Reply author: Vlad
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Well it kept me occupied for a while lol! circular links are always fun hehe
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Reply author: uwittehh
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Up with this thread! :-)
Today a KIEV II from 1950 arrives here. It's the version with engraved instead stamped cyrillic and latin name on the front mask. I have never seen one before. It seems to be all original. It is different in some parts from later KIEV II, the front mask material is thicker, the shutter has a hand engraved number, the long rangefinder glass inside looks like one of a Contax, more pieces inside are made of brass, the numbers on the focus ring are seperated with commas instead of points, the self timer lever is smaller. Serial number is 500397.
Very interesting in my opinion. I make some pictures the next days of it and show them here.
Unfortunately there was no lens but I own a matching Jupiter 8 from 1950 that will fit perfectly :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20110127055257
Really interesting, Ulrich!
I own two 1950 Kiev, later than yours. I will post photos after!
My last "just arrived" is a Leica IIIc with red shutter, on which I have put a correct 1,5/5cm Sonnar wartime. So, I don't tell anything![:D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Hi Ulrich,
I had heard of these double engraving 1950 Kiev II, perhaps on this site. And you have one of them! Congratulations!
The external parts of my two Kiev II (serial numbers 503737 and 506446) are the same as yours: same meter scale with commas, same triangular standfoot, but entirely in aluminium, same arrow on the selftimer. Probably this early 1950 is closer to Contaxes II, and contains more Contax parts.
I cannot tell anything about internal parts: I don't dare to disassemble a Kiev/Contax!
The most interesting is of course the front engravings (no "Contax" at the reverse?[:D]) and the shoe...
I have just bought a Jena Contax, last batch, from 1951. Perhaps we could meet to compare all that? [;)]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Ulrich,
About the selftimer lever, I don't see any difference between your 1950 Kiev and my own 1950 ones, or even my 1936 Contax and the 1948 contax Jena. But perhaps I don't look at the correct part?
Once more, it seems that the question of the groove on the distance wheel remains open... All Contaxes have this groove, and it seems there is no rule for Kievs: some early have not, later ones have it... For my two 1950 ones, one has, not the other.
Bravo for the cosmetics. Very impressive! Does it work as fine as it looks?
Now, about Jena Contaxes. It's partly thanks to you that I know better these rare things. The 7th page you sent me a while ago shows the dates and numbers of production of Jena Contaxes and early Kievs, from 1946-47. So, the 1947 Kievs are the rarest ones (some prototypes + 450 production items). After, it's almost a motorway with 2000 1948 Kievs and 3500 in 1949. To compare with c.1400 Jena Contaxes between 1946 and 1951 (last batch of 100 items in 1951). As soon as I receive the 1951 Jena Contax, I will dig up the thread about "Kiev forerunners".
So, thanks again, even if I sweat to undestand German![:o)]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20110131152610
Jacques,
the self timer lever is a little bit smaller in the width, just about 1mm. It can be seen at the screw.
About the grooves, yes, all Contaxes have the groove in the middle, my KIEV II 1949 has it also. This must be parts that left over from german production and were mixed with russian parts during assembling. The wheel on my 1950 has the grooves on the side which are typical for the Contax, but does not have a groove in the teeth.
It works really good, the shutter runs as one of a Contax. When I disassembled it I also opened the shutter housing to take a look at the shutter. There is a small part of leather on the bottom of the first curtain that stops it at the end. On original Contax shutters this is glues with shellac, on the one of the 1950 Kiev also :-)
Ahhh, yes... I've read the articels some years ago, the details are gone out of my brain ;-) I also know that there are KIEV II existing that have "Carl Zeiss Jena" engraved in the shoe. So, who knows where these 1950 export KIEV II was built? Maybe in Jena?
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20110201112710
After checking, you are right for the lever of the selftimer: it's a bit larger on my 1958 Kiev IIIa. But not on the other Contax/Kiev I own (1936-1950).
About your double engraved 1950 Kiev II, I don't think it could have been made in Jena. In fact, Jena Contaxes were probably only prototypes for Kievs and the Russians had only one idea: make the cameras at home and by themselves. Hence the shipping of all the production material to Kiev as soon as possible. I would even think that a part of the Jena Contaxes were made at Kiev! [^] That would explain why some of the later ones (in the 30500-30600) have a front plate marked KIEB, and always a Jena accessory shoe!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: uwittehh
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Jacques,
nice, the camera on dvdtech looks nearly the same as mine. It's interesting, that the *engraved* double name seems to be used until 1954. Now I am looking for a 1947 Kiev [:D] But I think, I'll never get one...
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Omega
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Reply author: Vlad
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Omega, absolutely amazing!!! This the first time I see this kind of spy cover for F-21! Thank you very much for posting this, I will add this to catalog.
Best regards,
Vlad
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20110212151358
Omega, do you have any more images of this piece? Where did you find it?
Thanks,
Vlad.
Reply author: Omega
Replied on: 20110216090736
Vlad,
I take a picture of my camera and I'll send you good quality photos. Can you give me your e-mail?
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Reply author: Vlad
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Omega, thank you! I will send you a private message.
Vlad
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Reply author: cedricfan
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The quality is typical...
But with 1/1000 speed you have a rare specimen!
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: RCCCUK
Replied on: 20110228021701
Hi Juhani,
The Albar-15 is certainly a fairy rare camera, but the entries (only 4) in the Wiki catalog suggest that the version with a top speed of 1/1000 may be the more common. I have seen very few with a top speed of 1/500 and I have never seen one with the shutter speed range of 1 sec to 1/1000, so perhaps that is the rarest version. If there are any other Albar-15 owners out there, please add your cameras to the Wiki Catalog.
David.
Reply author: cedricfan
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Must do some homework, but I have seen three with 1/500 and one with 1/1000 and also one with a different shutter speed engraving type: speeds "along" circle and not "through". I do have a picture at home to upload!
The different dial picture now uploaded, and added speed info to mine. Next weekend I will get one more serial number.
Best regards,
Juhani
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Thank you!
I did notice your pair, and I have wanted one for years, so when I finally found this I just had to have it.
Yes, 587 or 597. The stamp is so poor that I need more than my eyes to be sure which.
Best regards,
Juhani
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Hi Ulrich,
Really funny.
When young (at 10-12 years or so, so in 1955 or about), I was offered exactly the same stereoscope, but written in latin caracters. A very good product, with a regulation by the black central wheel (which was red on my model).
Unhappily, it disappeared, I don't remember where or when...
So, is yours a copy? Do you have a date for it?
Amitiés. Jacques.
PS: congratulations for all these "Sport", Juhani and Alexander. When I have finished with my Contaxes, I will hunt one...
Reply author: uwittehh
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Jacques,
there were some papers in the box. One instruction sheet that shows the date 9/11/62 printed on it and one piece of paper that seemed to be around the big slides, this one is stamped 1969.
So maybe the Stereoskop itself was made in or after 1962 and the slides were bought by somebody in 1969?
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
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Jacek, the 312m and the 412 cameras although fairly new Zenits seems to be rather uncommon now, congratulations. Zenit-18 is also a very nice acquisition! I don't see those much as well.
Vlad
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Hello Martti! Yes this is a very uncommon version as far as I know, made for Australian market. Congratulations!
Cheers,
Vlad
Reply author: uwittehh
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Reply author: uwittehh
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We have a "Sport-Invasion" here :-) Today mine arrived. It's a later one (btw: serial on lens is the serial of the camera?) number 12675.
It looks good and works on all speeds and the finder is clear and bright.
I have one question to the lens. If you take off the lens and take a look from behind on it there is a lever with a small spring. Unfortunalety this spring is gone off on my lens and I don't know how to reinstall ist. Can anybody post or mail me a picture of this part of the lens?
So it looks as it comes out of the packet :-)
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/sport.jpg
Ulrich
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By the way...
I like the "Sport". After examinig and cleaning it it is just a lovely piece of handcraft. A lot of things look handmade. And it is so small even it has the big house on the top :-)
Ulrich
PS: Any ideas how to reinstall the spring that fixes(?) the lens?
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Luiz Paracampo
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Right, Luis.
I was too astonished by the similarities between the fronts of the Contax I and the Sport...
As for me, my "just arrived" will be a Zorki 1a I was looking for since a while. When it is here! Thanks to Alex K....
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: fotomuda
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Zorki is great!!!
Now you have to look for FED KMZ!!!
My earliest zorki is 14060!
Best, Martti
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20110609120354
A Fed KMZ, what a good idea!
Why not too a Fed b (the S with slow speeds) and a Kiev 1947?
A Fed NKAP, it would be too easy![:D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: AlexanderK
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20110613074859
Hi Alexander,
Bravo for this nice looking NKAP!
Think of me if you have too much of them!
Amitiés. jacques.
Reply author: fotomuda
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Reply author: fotomuda
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And AlexanderK, turn around your viewfinder, then it is right!
Best,
Martti
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20110613124702
Martti,
you are right, of coure [:D]. I have quick put it on to take the picture.[:)]
By the way, very interesting case for the viewfinder. I have seen (and also own) only the leather one.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: cedricfan
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20110630070908
Hello Jacek!
Bravo pour ce très beau Zenit 6, peu commun, avec son Rubin. Du solide et du lourd!
Amitiés. Jacques.
(Congrats for this very fine Zenit 6, heavy, well made and not so common. And for the enormous Rubin!)
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20110710132421
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20110711044156
A very fine 1a, Juhani!
The metallurgy of the viewfinder is almost "handmade", to compare with my # 5330 which looks more "factory made". Some improvement between the two...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20110711105142
For the Moment, is the serial number only the serial number of the lens? Or does the body has also a serial number, and where I can find it please?
Fred
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20110712012551
Hello Fred,
YES, the "Moment" cameras have the only serial number on the lens.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20110712040315
Hello Alex
Thank you for information...
I have been searching for so long time to find a second number on my bodies.....
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20110717083202
Reply author: AlexanderK
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Yours is much rarer, Alexander.[:)]
It has an "A" serial number?
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: Omega
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Reply author: fotomuda
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Labo is nice, I hope I will get it somewhere...
Reply author: fotomuda
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Reply author: AlexanderK
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Ulrich,
very interesting information. I have also a Kiev-II from 1949 with a collapsible Zorki ZK, BUT the lens has s/n 4900415 and DOES NOT have any hand engraved number inside.
The Soviets had to register all separate parts for the new Kiev-Contax cameras (and for another cameras as well [:)]) and it could be possible, that since some time they started to register these lens-parts for some internal use too.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20110828034639
Very interesting, Ulrich!
Do you have a picture of the hand engraved number near the shutter?
It seems I have seen something similar on one of my 1950 Kiev II, but I don't remember exactly where it was...[:I]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Thanks, Ulrich.
Soon I will check on one of my early Kievs.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: cedricfan
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20110902110440
Fine, Juhani!
With a hole in the press film, I suppose?
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20110904061556
Yes!
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20110911145339
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20110926064020
Not yet received, but bought some days ago: as it seems a Fed 1a reingraved Leica with a one turn lens (reingraved Elmar).
It can be an interesting camera or a pure fake!
I will tell you when received.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: AidasCams
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Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: 20110926162927
Woderful, that is something!!!
This lens is something new for my eyes!
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20110926185613
Hi Aidas, congratulations! Very fine lens, I've never seen one before! Wow! 1.5/50mm!
Reply author: AidasCams
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20110927064120
Magnifique!
The JLP says nothing about this lens, except that it was not really produced.
Do you have other details about it, Aidas?
Thanks for the pictures...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20110927104740
Bravo Aidas,
very nice find! I have seen this lens in some old articles about history of KMZ.
As far as I know it is prototype of Jupiter-3 (like Orchid-1 is prototype of Jupiter-8).
Congratulations!
Regards, Alexander
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Reply author: xalmaz
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<br />As far as I know it is prototype of Jupiter-3 (like Orchid-1 is prototype of Jupiter-8).
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Congratulations Aidas!
Dear Alexander,
Orchid-3 cannot be prototype of Jupiter-3(and Orchid-1 cannot be prototype of Jupiter-8) because Orchid-1 was calculated in 1956(Orchid-3 was calculated in 1959, according GOI catalogue 1963). This is if you don't look optical schemes of Orchids...
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Replied on: 20111002085714
xalmaz,
very interesting catalogue! Thank you very much.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: cedricfan
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20111009160837
Jacques,
my first thought was "46 FED 1, what a crazy guy", then I counted my FED 1. I counted 20 and I was sure that there were not more than 10 :-)
Congratulations to the FED 1 with the strange serial number. I own one with serial 2850 which looks exactly like yours, the only different is the normal vulcanite instead of the brown one.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20111009161023
Martti,
nice, seems that you are building a "Jupiter 9 farm" to grow them up and have children ;-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20111010071808
Not bad, Ulrich, not bad. Still an effort to be as mad as me...[:D]
Amitiés.
Reply author: urban-wombat
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Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: 20111013031011
Ulrich,
yes, my farm have already aftergrowth, one little girl jupiter-12 and boy jupiter-3. Now I hope, that they will grow and be jupiter-6!!!
Best, Martti
Reply author: fotomuda
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Reply author: okynek
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Very nice! I never had underwater case for Start camera in my hands.
How did you find one !
Would you be able to add your pictures to Wiki?
Reply author: fotomuda
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Reply author: Membedeep
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Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20111205222935
Wow!! $10 [:0][:0][:0] I've seen these sold for around at least $500.. great buy, congratulations!
Reply author: Membedeep
Replied on: 20111207074500
My last russian camera, along with a classic Sputnik, is a Fed S with the 2/50 lens. The camera has serial number 56054 and the lens has the serial number 21334. Are there several types of Fed S? Thank you!
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20111207075907
Hello,
There are as many Fed S as 1c, d and e types...
So, including the sub series:
- 5 1c type,
- 3 1d type,
- 1 1e type,
If we count some "original" Fed S engraved Leica, you can find at least 10 different Fed S. And special ones were made with leatherette and ears for straps.
Yours must be (by the serial number)the first 1c type, with a grey/green vulcanite coming from late 1b.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20111209124703
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20111210114308
Hello Frédéric!
A very nice outfit. It seems abolutely complete, even with the spectacles! [8D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20111210123005
Thank you Jacques
I bought it in an auction in Sens last week. 300 euros + taxes. it is quite expensive but so hard to find such complete outfit.....
I bought also a FT2 and a Voskhod (with active lightmeter...incredible...!!).
I miss a F21.... too expensive...
There is another auction in Limoges next friday...With a few Russian cameras too...I think I will be there as I am in Toulouse all week...Not so far..
All the best
Fred
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20111211141840
Reply author: womble
Replied on: 20111212125908
Romanian spy cameras (with 9 lenses?!) and stereo FEDs... there is some amazing stuff about.
Thanks for sharing it with us.
K.
Reply author: fotomuda
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Reply author: cedricfan
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There should be a plastic "lens" that covers the "flash ready" lamp now well visible.
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20111217090032
A classic Kiev 1948, mainly with Jena parts. Not really different from my Kiev 1949. 1948 Kievs seem very variable from the Dresden side to the Jena one...
The lens is interesting. It's a late rigid 1948 ZK one which looks regular.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Kiev 1948 002.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/17122011_Kiev 1948 002.jpg
In the back, one of my two cats. And between the two, a prewar Kine Exakta: massive and impressive. Much more sophisticated than the contemporaneous Leicas or Feds! It's not the first TLR: it has the rectangular magnifier, not the round one.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20111217110409
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20111218091743
Hi Fred,
Beautiful! And complete, with all the papers...
It seems you had it in France, perhaps Limoges?
I gave up trying to collect such outfits: not enough room...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20111218130823
Hi Jacques!!
I bought it on ebay to a guy who is also a professional seller and who lives in Normandie..
I went to Limoges last friday
Very interesting sale... Only a few people in the room.. So most of item have been sold a starting price, except 2 or 3 very special items.
Not a lot of Russian cameras..
I got a Kiev IIIa and Jupiter 8 in good shape (light meter ok) for 36 euros and a very nice Salyut S with Vega and back for 60 euros. Only problem for this one, is that I see only one curtain on shutter...Not easy to fix..
As prices were very low, I came back with 2 full cases of different cameras.. I need to sell them now and buy new Russian cameras...
The best was a Nikkor QD-C 5.6/15mm AI like new...Not really Russian lens....
All the best
Fred
Reply author: uwittehh
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120115114734
Hi Ulrich!
I did not know there are "Horizont Revue"...
Your early Zorki 3 is fine: they are becoming rare now. And your lens is probably the good one by the datas. I bought my # 00707 without lens, and I have put on it a '52 one.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20120116150507
Jacques,
I knew about the Horizont Revue (I have seen one or two on ebay the last years), but I have never seen one (or a normal Horizont) with box and papers.
Yes, I think it's the original lens on the Zorki 3. 707 is a nice serial number, are you now looking for number 747? :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: fotomuda
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Reply author: uwittehh
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Martti,
great finds, specially the FED lens. I am looking for one of it too, but they are really rare to find.
By the way, most of the missing screws of the Horizont-Revue I could find in the packet, and for the other ones I have had replacements. Now it works and looks as new.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120125171048
Bravo for the 4,5/28mm Fed lens.
Serial number between 40xxx and 46xxx, I suppose?
I have one, never tried...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: 20120125175116
Number is 46370 and there is extra number 34 opposide side of serial.
I am thinking to try it, someday.
Reply author: AlexanderK
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Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: 20120126161157
Alexander, is it possible to get some detail pictures of the lens?
Thank you!
Reply author: Fred_L
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Reply author: fotomuda
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120213161715
One of the rarest Fed accessories.
I suppose it doesn't work? [:D] Or I will have it mine repaired...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: 20120214033415
I can see a little respont to light, but yes, it is not working!
Reply author: uwittehh
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120214151319
Bravo, Ulrich!
I don't have such a "no name"...
BTW, what is the serial number of the Sonnar? It seems that some sellers put any Zeiss lens on this camera...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20120214153332
Jacques,
thanks. It's a post war Sonnar from Zeiss Ikon Stuttgart, a late one without the red coating marking. So it seems to be the original one. The serial number is 1170766. I have had two or three of them, their serial numbers are very different, some have only 5 digits, some have seven digits and the numbers spread wide. I don't know how Zeiss Ikon has numbered the Sonnars in post war times.
By the way, I haven't cleaned the camera until now, it comes out of the sellers packet in this state :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120214161037
Hi Ulrich,
About postwar numbers, for CZ Oberkochen (Stuttgart):
- # 10000 to 500000:years 1946-50 (Opton)
- # 500000 to 1,1 Mn: years 51-53 (Opton)
- # 1,1Mn to 2,6 Mn: years 53-59 (CZ, except for Comecon sales)
For CZ Jena (East Germany), the numbers follow prewar ones:
- # 3 Mn to 3,2 Mn: 1945-49,
- # 3,2 Mn to 3,47 Mn: 49-52,
- # 3,47 Mn to 4 Mn: 52-55,
- # 4 Mn to 5 Mn: 55-58.
Here are the official numbers, not very precise, I confess. If it can help...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20120214161946
Jacques,
thanks. So it's one of the first ones that are labeled with "Carl Zeiss" only. That's nice :-)
It would be interesting to know which 1,5 Sonnars were put on the No Name Kievs, but I think we don't have enough samples for it...
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: uwittehh
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Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20120215174010
Hi Ulrich
I have one too!!
Tha same as you got
No Name as new with serial n° 6307326....
And Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar T 2/5cm n°3059424
As yours, no engraving from UUSR occupied Germany... Nothing
I will make pics this week end and post them....
Fred
Reply author: Fred_L
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Reply author: uwittehh
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Fred,
both cameras are really nice. I think the lens of the 1950 Kiev is the right one, but on the No Name Kiev is a lens of the late 40ies made by Carl Zeiss in Jena. As I know they were delivered with Zeiss Sonnars from Stuttgart/Oberkochen. But it's a nice lens it's one of the sort that was delivered with the Jena Contax or the TSVVS (regarding to the number).
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120216143423
Hello Fred (and Ulrich!),
A vey fine 1950 Kiev II, with a matching ZK lens, as it seems.
It's difficult to say if it is the right good one: my datas (thanks for them!) show that we can have very close bodies with lenses the numbers of which are (a bit) more large.
As far as I know, it's not exactly the same for the "no names". It seems that the 1963 bodies were assembled with different lenses: prewar CZJ which were always in stock, early postwar CZJ or even Opton which had not been used. Difficult to say more, as there are not many cameras of which we can discuss. The 1964 are easier: all seem to have the 1964 Jupiter...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20120225160741
Another nice find, a preseries FED 2a with low serial number (001231) in very nice looking condition.
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/fed2a6.jpg
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/fed2a7.jpg
Unfortunately the shutter was broken and so I disassembled it to repair it. It's really interesting these early preseries FED 2a are different inside. So there is a light baffle inside that hides the shutter drums and the two curtain rollers are hold by a plate on top which makes it easy to install the shutter. Very nice made.
And I have found out why it looks so new... It seems that it gets broken very early and unfortunately one small piece is broken that could not be repaired (only if you have another camera with such a low serial I think): The stop pin in the shutter under the big gear on the bottom was broken. You need a lot of force to break it, so I think that it was broken installed by factory and breaks short after using the camera. So it's a nice item for the shelf only.
Here are pictures of the light baffle inside the body and the plate on top of the shutter housing that holds the two rollers.
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/fed2a4.jpg
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/fed2a5.jpg
I forgot... Interesting is a comparison of the viewfinder window. The size of the early one is a bit bigger than on later ones. Here compared to a normal FED 2a. On top the 001231, on bottom one with serial 23xxx:
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/fed2a8.jpg
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120226065016
Hi Ulrich!
Thanks for the photos!
What you say about the size of the viewfinder window is interesting. Is the # 23xxx a preseries too, or a crossover model with preseries release button and round window?
All that would deserve a special study...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20120226071953
Jacques,
yes, I also wondered about the size of the viewfinder window. The one I got from you (003729) has the normal sized window.
The 023015 is a normal FED 2a with the round range finder window and the round collar around the release button. I think it could be one of the first ones, I also own a preseries crossover model with round range finder window and preseries release button that has number 022304.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120226090926
Thanks for these precisions, Ulrich.
Perhaps there are other interesting parameters to examine closely on early Fed 2.
I remember for example having weighed the very early Alain's Fed 2 (number 000007, but I am not sure about the number of 0 !). And it was heavier than the "regular" preseries, much than expected, anyway (# c.10% if I remember).
Jacques.
Reply author: Messsucher
Replied on: 20120226151432
Nice find Ulrich!
Mine came two weeks ago. N-011833 :)
Btw. frame around viewfinder window: my Fed-2a (N-012923) has thin frame.
SzS.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20120302164609
Jacques,
more to the FED 2a 23015: It lies here since 2 or 3 years with a broken shutter in a box and I just took it out to see if I can repair the broken shutter of the 001231 with some parts of it. But they differed too much.
Now after looking on Aidas site I've seen that this 23015 seems to be an early "Type A2". As he knows they start at 27.000 so mine seems to be a nice find out off a box with broken cameras :-)
Now I have installed new shutter curtains on it and it works quite as a Leica.
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/fed2a09.jpg
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/fed2a10.jpg
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120306045227
Fine, Ulrich!
And what about the weights of the different elements of each camera?
Are there differences? It would be possible on prototype/preseries cameras...
Amitiés.
Reply author: uwittehh
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Fred,
great finds! Specially the light meter in working condition. I can not say anything to the selenium cell because I have never had such a light meter. Maybe it was repaired sometimes ago?
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20120311172114
Great find, Fred.
I have two of them: 61xx and 3-6xx, the both are without any inclusions.
I agree with Jacques, it seems to be not in original conditions, but it is anyway a very rare lightmeter. Congratulation!
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20120311190338
Thank you all
I am a little bit disapointed because it seems to be really part of the meter...Not added part....
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120403101841
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20120403123418
Hi Jacques
No , No nexs about my meter
It seems to be original, but so strange....
All the best
Fred
Reply author: Brian
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120415104451
Wonderful pictures, Brian!
I find once more the "bokeh" of my wartime 1,5/5cm Sonnar. [:)]
But my special congrats for all the work...
Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20120415111334
Congratulation, Jacques!
Your number is less, than mine (200600) [:(]
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20120416153525
Jacques and Alexander,
you both are lucky guys. I am looking for a Red Flag for years but there is none around...
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: AlexanderK
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Ulrich, don't worry!
I let you know, if I see one more [:)]
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Vlad
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Congrats Jacques, I'm just curious, what do Red Flags sell for nowadays? I am also on the lookout for one..
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120417071420
I would say between 400 and 1000 euros, very roughly...
But the most difficult is to find one. And to be sure it is genuine, which is very difficult as there are not many samples known...
Probably I will open a link about that. I am very curious for example about the yellow colour in the rangefinder...
Of course, I am happy to have mine. I had been looking for for years...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Vlad
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Many thanks for information, Jacques!
Best regards,
Vlad
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Special congratulations for your Sport, Fred! And once more time for your recent TSVVS! [:D]
I will have too to try and buy cameras at auctions...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20120607074804
HI Jacques
Your FED is so nice too....
May be I will have surprises on next weeks..
An Revue Horizont (I got it but as i am out for ten days, I will make pics later....
One more TSVVS......[8D][8D] I am negociating it , and it is nice with all matching numbers...
So we have to wait about 15 days!!!!
Congratulations for your FED!!!
FRED
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120608160159
Another TSVVS... wow!
Always a 1950 one? Or a 1949?
Eager to see that!
And congratulations![8D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20120608163147
It is a 1950
Body and Base plate are matching, I am sure
I have to wait about one week...to be sure
Fore sure I will give you some news...
Fred
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Happy to see you again, Ulrich, and bravo for this immaculate Leningrad!
The inscription reads "made in USSR", I think?
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Reply author: CrazyCatman
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Yesterday I got two things for my collection - both rather ordinary:
Fed 2 type C, from 1956 (11188):
http://cs407429.userapi.com/v407429099/120c/Uazc-SX6fGE.jpg
And a 1993 Zenit 12XPS Fotosniper (a bit too young for this site as it's "Made in Russia") - unfortuantly without the box as my ES/FS3 has:
http://cs407429.userapi.com/v407429099/1215/s0YJnptA-kM.jpg
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You can call me "Yuri"...
SSSR collections so far:
1956 FED 2 C
1978 Zenit E
1979 Zenit FS-3 Photosniper (ES)
1980 Zenit EM Olympic
1980 Zenit E Olympic
1993 Zenit FS-12-3 Fotosaiper (12XPS)
a Zenit UPA 5M enlarger
... plus some "foregien" stuff.
Reply author: uwittehh
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Fred, the Horizont Revue is interesting. Mine has number 6903353 so only 600 numbers away from yours.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: uwittehh
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Jørgen,
nice camera finds. I hope that you have enough room in your closet for the next at least 50 soviet cameras you WILL buy [:D]
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: CrazyCatman
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<br />Jørgen,
nice camera finds. I hope that you have enough room in your closet for the next at least 50 soviet cameras you WILL buy [:D]
Ulrich
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Hi Ulrich,
I am running out of space on my camera shelf, even tho I am only onto 6 Sovjet cameras; one of them is at my "museum" shelf, as it's not working atm - and my oldest PhotoSniper is in it's box under the shelf - so those two doesn't take space - but my extra lenses and other cameras takes alot of space - but the newest Fotosniper does take most space, as I chosed to put it together as I don't have a box for it - then I want people to see how cool it looks!
But I will have more ;)
I even started to get a French photographer into the Sovjet cameras too! He started to ask about my Zenit EM, because he was thinking of ordering a 412, in the end he ordered it - and also bought a Zenit E with an I-50 "pancake" lens - and now is looking for a Fed as well.
I don't know what my next Sovjet should be, but I am going back to Sankt-Peterburg soon, so if I will find something good I will get that. I already have two enlarger lens waiting for me as I needed to change the one on my Zenit UPA-5 because of fungus, so I am back to use that giant Meopta that I wanted to give a vacation because of the neat size of the UPA.
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You can call me "Yuri"...
SSSR collections so far:
1956 FED 2 C
1978 Zenit E
1979 Zenit FS-3 Photosniper (ES)
1980 Zenit EM Olympic
1980 Zenit E Olympic
1993 Zenit FS-12-3 Fotosaiper (12XPS)
a Zenit UPA 5M enlarger
... plus some "foregien" stuff.
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20120620231207
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<br />Fred,
great, 2 TSVVS's :-) I wonder if we are the only guys who collect them :-D
Ulrich
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I would say that there is many reasons why it is so many here.
TSVVS is so extreme, that not many know about it. There has been so much fakes, that many may even take all of them as fakes. As a matter of fact not even here it is certain where it was made! So the real market may be very small, unless you sell in the web and have a good description & reputation.
BTW: I also want one, and even a fake would be OK in my vitrine, as here in Finland only a handful know about TSVVS existence, and only I would know it as a fake [:D]
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20120621040320
Hi All
I agree with Juhani....We all know here what is a TSVVS...
But, what is sure, is that people who have sold me the cameras knew very well the value and the rarity..... So we are not alone...[8D][8D]
The most surprising this year in Bievres was these 2 cameras to sell. It was first year I see TSVVS in Bièvres!
Sellers were both Italian.
One is a collector and has made an article in Leica magazine in 1997 about camera I bought him. I have to copy this article and to put it in the wiki.
Second is also an Italian guy , and I think Aidas knows him well as he has bought him some rare cameras in the past.
I bought this second camera after Bievres.
I think and hope these 2 cameras are not fakes...Princelle told me they are genuine.... But who could be sure???????[?][?][?]
Fred
Reply author: Fred_L
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Reply author: uwittehh
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Juhani,
yes it's an extreme camera that nobody really knows about. I was a bit surprised how many people here have on (or more...). But thinking about it we are only a handfull of guys here who collect them and so we have seen only about 2 or 3 percent of them at all. As we know about 1000 were made and I think that a lot (most of them) are existing until today (because it's a camera made for special purposes).
Btw. I have never heard of a fake of it or seen one (neither in real nor in pictures). I have only read that they may exist :-)
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120622102424
Thanks, Fred, for the article.
About fakes, I saw one some years ago at Bièvres. Easy to recognize because of the window of the viewfinder. Too, it was much lighter than a real TSVVS: the shell was made of aluminium and not brass. Probably a Fed...
The TSVVS really is a difficult camera to fake...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: AlexanderK
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Congratulation, Jacques!
Very nice cameras. They seem not being in use, just from the photo-shop shelf [:)].
Which serial number do they have? My cameras are 292 (1949) und 714 (1950)
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20120705165029
Jacques, congratulation from me too!
Interesting that both of your TSVVS have the "Carl Zeiss Jena" lens cap. Mine has it too.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120706035531
Thanks, Ulrich and Alexander.[:D]
Serial numbers: 264 (1949) and 503 (1950). Both are in very good condition. But all the TSVVS I know are in the same excellent condition: hardly used.
I am going to open a special thread about these cameras: some details like the lens caps are interesting.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Fred_L
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Reply author: AlexanderK
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Hello Fred,
very nice cameras, but I think, that the number on the lens of your Sport camera does not match with the camera.
Cameras with such low number have usually three screws, and your camera has only one. Very strange...
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20120712023720
Hello Alexander
Yes I agree, it is strange..
Same for the front panel..seems to be a later one...
Maybe it is a camera that has been rebuilt from parts?
Lens itself seems to be original (not fake)..
Fred
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120712062741
A Sport is always a desirable camera for a collector, even if it was partially rebuilt.
And really, I think a Sport is impossible to fake.
So, congratulations, Fred!
I think I will have mine too. A day... when I will be tired of extra-USSR cameras!
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Reply author: Vlad
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Very nice buy Fred, these are pretty uncommon, especially with original box!
By the way I love opening this thread every time because the very first post if made by Alain Berry, it's just a great feeling seeing his name every time.. I really miss his posts on this forum and this seems like it's keeping his legacy alive. Sorry for sentimental off-topic..
Vlad
Reply author: Michel
Replied on: 20120905034529
Hi Vlad,
Thanks for quoting Alain's legacy.
Here, in France, some USSR camera collectors have the same feeling as yours…
And, no, it's not "off topic".
Many thanks again.
Michel.
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120905051357
Alain's memory is one of the reasons why I often post in this topic. Three years ago, now...
Edit: two years. Sorry.
Jacques.
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Hi Zhang!
I dismounted some of my S-s and one 1e.
They all had that hole.
I am going to look at an early 1c to be sure.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Brian
Replied on: 20120928185103
On the curious KMZ/Zeiss J-3, looks a lot like mine.
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J-3, Zeiss SN by
anachronist1, on Flickr
The Serial Number puts it at April 1945. The front ring puts it at a 1950 KMZ.
I picked up a 1950 KMZ Jupiter-3 in Contax/Kiev mount, looked unused. The focal length was much too short for a Contax and a Leica, I lenghtened it and put into a Leica focus mount. The glass on mine was perfect, probably because it was unused. Sewing thread was wrapped around the threads to keep it into the Contax/Kiev mount, no shims. I think it was assembly practice, and was never used.
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1950 KMZ J-3 by
anachronist1, on Flickr
Wide-Open on the M9:
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Burke Lake by
anachronist1, on Flickr
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Jacgues- If the front element on yours has a yellow cast, I would guess that it has been replaced- hence the 1974 namering. The front elements on the newer lenses work quite well on the older KMZ and Zeiss lenses. The black Screwmount focus mount: yours could have been in Contax/Kiev like mine was originally.
Reply author: Kievuser
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<br />Hi Zhang!
I dismounted some of my S-s and one 1e.
They all had that hole.
I am going to look at an early 1c to be sure.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Hi Jacques,
Thanks for your reply![:)] I have also checked an earlier Fed-1 s/n 8xxxxx that has no such holes. I will check a few more when I got time.
Cheers,
Zhang
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20120929054321
Thanks Brian! And congrats for your work on your lens!
In fact, on my lens, the front metallic element had a black colour. The yellow comes from brass. I have a Jup 3 with the same front element where brass is visible under black.
As far as I know, all (most of?) the original late wartime 1,5 Sonnars have a metallic external chrome/internal black front element, like this one:
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http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2992012_Sonnar 1,5 wartime 004.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2992012_Sonnar 1,5 wartime 004.jpg
When Sonnars were sent to Kiev, probably the metallic head was not used, and the reengravings (ZK, then Jupiter) were made on a special brass element. Hence this completely black element we find too on the Jupiter 3.
Here, we only speak of 1,5 Sonnars towards 1,5 ZK (scarce!) and Jupiter 3. The 2/5cm lenses are another matter.
But I must confess that I am not sure of anything... I walk on eggs![:D]
If we continue this discussion, perhaps we could open a special thread?
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20120930074901
Great new items here to see :-)
As I remember my FED Berdsk also have the hole. And there are a lot of FED leather bags existing which have space for an additional slow speed dial on the front.
Here is my newest find, an ultra rare Contax III with engraving "Allemagne S.I." (S.I. stands for Societe Ikonta) on the rewind dial. The 1,5/50 Sonnar is not the original one but I think it looks better with it :-) It comes with a standard 2,0/50 Sonnar. After cleaning it and refreshing the leather a bit it looks really great.
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/con3si01.jpg
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/con3si02.jpg
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Brian
Replied on: 20121005212439
On the Sonnar/J-3 with the 741084 namering: is the coating of the lens element yellow or blue? A yellow color would mean it had been replaced. I've done this with a couple of KMZ J-3's, with great results.
I've been taking apart some J-3's and Sonnars to get some insight on the optical design. I will post a thread on the findings. Mostly, concerns using the J-8 and J-3 on a Leica across the focus range wide-open.
Reply author: jed
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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<br />On the Sonnar/J-3 with the 741084 namering: is the coating of the lens element yellow or blue? A yellow color would mean it had been replaced. I've done this with a couple of KMZ J-3's, with great results.
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You are right, Brian.
The coating is yellow, like on my 1951 Jupiter 3.
Very probably, the first optical element was changed. So, it is a KMZ-Sonnar and not a Sonnar-KMZ!
I should have pictures from it in a while and will post one or two.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20121207172422
Newest find this week: A nearly complete Kiev 15 TEE set, only instruction booklet is missing. A Kiev 15 TEE with Helios 81 and Jupiter 9 (in box), lens caps, filters, lens hood, leather bag, eye piece and the rare Zenit-M39 adapter. It was made in 1978 and it works very well. It has an interesting shutter mechanism.
http://fotos.cconin.de/ussrphoto/kiev15tee.jpg
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20130118080051
I have just received a Fed 1 more...[:)]
In fact, rather a Fed reingraved Leica.
Not in very good condition, but it has lived and certainly took many pictures...
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1812013_Fed 1d - Leica 002.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1812013_Fed 1d - Leica 002.jpg
More interesting: it came with a genuine Leica from 1939, by the serial number. And the body and the lens were regulated together: there is a shim between the shutter box and the body.
As I can see, the body should be a 1d, serial # between c. 100000-150000. So, body and lens could be contemporaneous. All a story to (re)write!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: esomax
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Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20130206142029
Hi,
the name plate seems to be lost. I am not sure, that it is the no-name camera.
You have already the manifacturer name (LOMO) on the lens.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: esomax
Replied on: 20130206160802
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<br />Hi,
the name plate seems to be lost. I am not sure, that it is the no-name camera.
You have already the manifacturer name (LOMO) on the lens.
Regards, Alexander
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Nothing is lost. Inserted a metal plate. Possible to write - LUNA
The background the camera written body sticker for distributors.
See link -
http://www.sovietcams.com/index.php?784016222Model - PK1420
Reply author: Ralph J
Replied on: 20130228104145
Good morning;
One of the local camera pushers surprised me. He had a Kiev-60 sitting in a cardboard box in an unusual location in his shop, but I did see it and recognized it. I began making inquiries. It took a while.
This particular Kiev-60 with the Volna-3C P-6 Mount lens had been sold used to a purchaser a couple of months ago. I have not any sort of idea on how they obtained it originally. Well, two months later, it began to have problems, and the purchaser brought it back to them. This is where I came in and saw it.
So, the mirror goes up and the shutter runs when the film advance lever is swinging back on its return stroke. The TTL Light Meter in the Pentaprism does not work, but it does have the adapter tube in it for holding the 357 batteries. The Waist Level Viewfinder is warped a little and does not come up very well to viewing position. These are the main things I have seen so far.
But it does have the accessory ISO flash shoe mount on the left front of the camera, and it came with the 20mm and 40mm P-6 Extension Tubes.
I probably paid too much for it in this condition, but it is still a lot less than some of the things I was required to pay for in the past for which I received absolutely nothing. I am happy to have a sample of the fully recognized and labeled Kiev-60 in stock. And it will be sent out for the needed repairs and CLA.
So, the Zavod Kyiv (Kiev Arsenal) Medium Format 120 Roll Film camera bodies are complete.
Now there is only the Mir-26 or the rare Mir-69 45mm f:3.5 Wide Angle lens to be found. Optically these lenses seem to be very similar; both of them have noticeable barrel distortion and usually show some chromatic aberration. Usually this is a problem of lens design, and not a quality control or manufacturing defect or lens sample-to-sample variation that can be corrected at a later time. Sorry. That is main reason why I had chosen not to get that particular lens, the 45mm f:3.5 wide angle lens, for my use. But now it looks like I may need to get one for a slightly different purpose.
Enjoy;
Ralph
Latte Land, Washington
Reply author: S.H.
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20130304114016
Special congrats for your ZK!
Yes, collapsible ones are rare. More: this one is one of the last (by my datas) before Jupiter 8 (with ears).
Of course, it is much easier to fake a rigid ZK than a collapsible one: Jup parts are much more common than Sonnar ones... But certainly it doesn't explain completely the rarity of the collapsible ZK.
I would be interested to have the Zeiss serial number of your Jup 3 for my datas.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: S.H.
Replied on: 20130304133648
Thanks! For some reason, the same collector sold a 1950 Kiev II + rigid ZK for twice the price of mine, the eBay auction went much higher; but it has box and papers. Seems like the III is less valued. Strange, as I thought it was produced in smaller numbers.
My J-3 (PT2020 in sovietcams page) has the soviet s/n 5001482 and the Zeiss s/n 862023 (stands for 2862023) on the rear. Thiele's book says it was produced at the end of 1945, no camera mount is listed so it was probably made without mount at the Zeiss factory to be shipped in the USSR later.
What are the s/n number range for collapsible ZK?
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20130304150347
Impossible to answer your question precisely.
It seems there is no real correlation between Zeiss s/n ranges and ZK ones... Exactly as if KMZ had picked "by chance" a Zeiss lens in a board to convert it into a ZK. Or to let it live as a Zeiss, with changing the flange (M rather than m). And at the same time, or almost, producing their own optical parts and bodies...
I have for example a Jupiter 12/Biogon with has a 1952 KMZ serial number and a 1943 optical Zeiss one (18/03/43 by Thiele. And a 1951 Jupiter 12 which is a Jupiter 12, and nothing else...
All I say is for wartime LTM lenses. We must keep in mind that pure original LTM lenses are probably rare. Fakes are certainly less numerous that one think. Most of LTM lenses we see on eBay are probably "reconstructed". When? Impossible to know. As for the Contax/Kiev mount, things are probably much more simple, except for those "rigid" 2/5cm ZK-s: original or fake?
If you are interested, I can send you my datas about Kiev cameras and their lens from 1947 to 1950. I had some more precise datas about lenses, but they were lost by my computer.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: S.H.
Replied on: 20130304152720
Well, thanks, it would be nice to have some data about soviet lenses. My email should be in my profile.
For wartime LTM lenses : I have three of them. One is a wartime Biogon (true Zeiss lens), one is a wartime Sonnar 1.5 in a very strange barrel (not at all like a J3 or other Zeiss lenses), one is a wartime Sonnar 8.5cm in an aluminium barrel like the earliest J-9, but with strange unfinished markings.
I can post pictures here if you are interested.
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They had perhaps parallel lines running, some with German parts, some with Soviet parts, and technicians learning and going from one to another?
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20130305040618
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They had perhaps parallel lines running, some with German parts, some with Soviet parts, and technicians learning and going from one to another?
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History is known, at least partly, thanks to Kuc, Otto, the Zeiss Society and some others.
But when I have a LTM wartime Sonnar in hands, generally I cannot say precisely where and by whom it was made! Nor when it was converted!
I will put my data about Kiev/ZK serial numbers in the wiki.
Jacques.
Reply author: stephanvdz
Replied on: 20130308122421
a wartime 1,5 with a strange barrel... that sounds interesting ? send a picture
There is a small number of lenses with very bizarre (not zeiss, not russian) engravings... and diamond shaped instead of lines drilleds rings.
as for late or early zeiss or zk lens, I own one of the latest pre ZK lens, a collapsible 5cm/f2 T n° 2936226
Stephan
Reply author: S.H.
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20130309102052
Very interesting!
So, the rear cam turns when regulating the distance?
If not, how does that work?
Jacques.
Reply author: S.H.
Replied on: 20130309124227
Yes, it turns. It is threaded into the mount, not smooth.
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Reply author: Francesco
Replied on: 20130412034810
Just found:
a Zenit E with microphoto attachment Lomo MFN 12
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16J,!zUE9s38-J!IBRSO1Iv2iw~~60_12.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16J,!zUE9s38-J!IBRSO1Iv2iw~~60_12.jpghttp://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16N,!yUE9s6NDMHfBRSO05y-jg~~60_12.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16N,!yUE9s6NDMHfBRSO05y-jg~~60_12.jpghttp://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16Z,!)QE9s3HFhL,BRSO0WIGug~~60_12.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16Z,!)QE9s3HFhL,BRSO0WIGug~~60_12.jpghttp://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16Z,!ykE9s7t)2pUBRSO0rIVlQ~~60_12.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16Z,!ykE9s7t)2pUBRSO0rIVlQ~~60_12.jpgand a Zorki 4 with microphoto attachment MFN 1; this attachment has a 2 position shutter (M&K).
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16VHJGkE9no8h,fCBRSOpfNiSw~~60_12.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16VHJGkE9no8h,fCBRSOpfNiSw~~60_12.jpghttp://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16dHJGkE9no8iPiUBRSOptLb3!~~60_12.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16dHJGkE9no8iPiUBRSOptLb3!~~60_12.jpghttp://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16ZHJHoE9n3KfuB8BRSOp6Ktig~~60_12.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1242013_$T2eC16ZHJHoE9n3KfuB8BRSOp6Ktig~~60_12.jpgRegards, Francesco
Reply author: fotomuda
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Reply author: Niko80
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Well, not exactly "just arrived", but stil quite nice:
<b>My FED-S collection</b>
FED-S/c No.69929 with engraving error ("X" missing)
Lens No.22495
http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/1126/fedsc69929f.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2691/fedsc69929t.jpg
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8682/fedsc69929p.jpg
FED-S/d No.2570 with "numbering error" (?)
Lens No.25237
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4460/fedsd2570f.jpg
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4820/fedsd2570t.jpg
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/5567/fedsd2570p.jpg
FED-S/e No. 174119 (quite normal)
Lens No.32763
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3664/fedse174119f.jpg
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2114/fedse174119t.jpg
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5243/fedse174119p.jpg
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FED-S/c No.70883 from Aidas, the camera I use for photography
Lens No.22506
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2234/fedsc70883f.jpg
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8083/fedsc70883t.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2427/fedsc70883p.jpg
FED 28mm f/4.5 lens No.45964
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/1850/fed2845.jpg
FED 100mm f/6.3 lens No.34069 with finder (unnumbered)
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9505/fed10063.jpg
100mm No.34069 + finder, 50mm macro No.13923 and 28mm No.45964 lenses
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/827/fedlenses.jpg
All my different prewar FED lenses and accessories:
http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/9039/fedcoll.jpg
Top row:
self-timer, leather case for light meter, yellow filters, right angle finder
Mid row:
leather case for 100mm f/6.3 lens, light meter, cardboard case for 28mm f/4.5 lens
Bottom row:
100mm f/6.3 lens with finder, 50mm f/3.5 macro lens, 28mm f/4.5 lens
Except for the light meter (the selenium cell died) all the accessories work fine. Lenses have been collimated for use with FED-S No.70883
I also have some "normal" (yet unusual) prewar FED1 cameras, will post them here as soon as I find the time!
Regards,
Christian
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20130503043546
Waouh!
Don't tell me you bought all that at the same time!
I have a good collection of Fed 1, but it took 5 or 6 years to me.
I use normally a Fed S too. Now, a 16xxxxx 1d, previously a 67xxx 1c. I find my 1d perfect as a user: it has a marvelous rangefinder. But I changed the lenses by wartime Zeiss lenses...
Congratulation for your collection!
Jacques.
Reply author: Francesco
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Reply author: cedricfan
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Wow!
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Niko80
Replied on: 20130503103744
No, not at the same time but within the last 3 years.
When I came to this forum all I wanted was a FED1 for photography since I inherited a non-working FED1c from my grandfather (more about that soon).
Now I have 8 cameras and all these accessories, I guess things got a little out of hand... [:D]
Regards,
Christian
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I was always under the impression that these lens are intended for use on an enlarger, but I could be wrong.
Cheers,
Mark
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Reply author: Francesco
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Great find, Jimmy.
Actually Italy is a good market for FSU cameras. Furthermore, in these days prices are very good because of the crisis. I'm positive you'll find many other stuff in Italy.
Regards.
Francesco
Reply author: ricale
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Only is he's not in competition with me.
frendly
Vittorio
Reply author: JimmyB
Replied on: 20130505111716
Thank you,Francesco. The price was quite reasonable.
I'm afraid Vittorio has the advantage over me in the Italian market [:)]
But I shouldn't complain. Sometimes I run across very good deals here in the US.
JimmyB
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20130505215526
The export version has very uncommon lens - the rigid Industar-22, nice buy!
Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: 20130506064650
FOTON is a great find!!!
Reply author: ricale
Replied on: 20130506113225
Leica cameras and lenses are less expensive in Usa than in Italy. Russian not. For an Italian buyer the problem is custom taxation for cameras from Usa (approximately 25%).
Regards
Vittorio
Reply author: JimmyB
Replied on: 20130506185940
Vlad, the lense caught my eye and that it was on an export version made it nicer-the Ebay seller spoke no English and I speak no Italian! I was happy to get this one for sure.
Wow, that is expensive Vittorio. That would really raise the cost. What happens if you receive an item from someone in the US as a gift? Would there still be a tax? I'm thinking you might make an arrangement where you could have someone in the US purchase a camera and then send it to you.That might save some money, especially on a very expensive item.
JimmyB
Reply author: ricale
Replied on: 20130507075029
Normally, Italian Custom does not believe the word "Gift" and applies the tax.Sometime, rarely they accept.
Regards
Vittorio
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20130507115624
Not only Italian, German customs doesn't believe it as well and you have to prove it, that it came from your "uncle" or "friend" [:)].
Tax is 19%.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20130507142816
All the same here, from a non CEE country.
Sometimes nothing. It's rare! Most times 22,5% of VAT from USA. Not nothing, when buying for example a genuine (happily!) Fed-Zorki at about 550€ and the main customs of Charles de Gaulle Airport phone and ask if you are OK to pay 140 euros more, as taxes include shipping...
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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I have just the same (but s/n 05159), with the 1/500th too, but without the flash plug.
Congrats, Martti!
Jacques.
Reply author: ricale
Replied on: 20130508122453
I have the same n. 4993.
Regards
Vittorio
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20130508125818
02593 from 1948 and with 1/500s
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: ricale
Replied on: 20130508130635
For completeness:
1948 1/1000th n.3209
1948 1/500th n.3828
1949 1/500th n.4993
Regards
Vittorio
Reply author: fotomuda
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Reply author: JimmyB
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Two very nice cameras,Martti!
JimmyB
Reply author: fotomuda
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Missing 1949 year "Zorki", without the cable release.
Reply author: ricale
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Me too
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by fotomuda</i>
<br />Missing 1949 year "Zorki", without the cable release.
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I have one, s/n 6337.
But it was one of the most difficult to get...
Jacques.
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Reply author: JimmyB
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Fotomuda, what is the English translation of the words on the plate of the FK 13x18? My Russian is limited to only a few camera related words :)
it's great to see all these beautiful cameras in the hands of people who appreciate them.
JimmyB
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20130616201504
LOL! nothing like Soviet union to come up with crazy names for organizations. It's a mouthful! Jim it translates as "General Directorate of Industrial Enterprises, The Committee on Art of The Council of People's Commissars of USSR, Experimental Photographic Mechanical Factory EFMZ. year 1945, type No. 1241".
Reply author: Ralph J
Replied on: 20130703215057
Good morning;
There are two (2) "new" cameras to report: I am beginning to think that there is merit in taking photographs of them also to include with such an announcement.
A FED Type 1d made in about 1941, s/n 163243 with the top cover engraving appropriate for that time. The shutter speeds are "Z," 20, 30, 40, 60, 100, 200, and 500. The lens is a FED 1:3,5 F=50m/m collapsible lens, s/n 93156 and also stamped with 26 0 0 0, all on the inside of the lens mounting flange, with f-stops marked 3.5, 4.5, 6.3, 9, 12.5, and 18, and the focus markings range from infinity, 20, 10, 7, 5, 4, 3, 2.5, 2, 1.75, 1.5, 1.25, and ends with 1. The leather case is a very nice dark brown with the FED logo on the front raised circular part for the lens, and the back has two snaps.
The next camera is a KMZ black body ZENIT-EM with the MOSKVA 1980 Olympic Games logo, s/n 77081665, Made in USSR, shutter speeds B, 30-X, 60, 125, 250, and 500. The lens is a KMZ Helios-44M-4 2/58 in M42 mount, S/N 847261, f-stops 2-16, and focuses down to 0.5 Meter. The nice black leather case has a one snap closure on the back. Oddly enough, the case is fitted with a Nikon black Nylon webbing carrying or neck strap.
Both of these cameras came from an estate sale.
Enjoy;
Ralph
Latte Land, Washington
Reply author: Niko80
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20130726070033
Historical and beautiful!
Congratulations!!
For the moment, I have nothing to show in this chapter. Except an early Contax II pre series, s/n Z 50387. In fact, the 387th ever made, with the ancient speed scale: 1/100th and 1/250th. I am rather on the Contax side, these last months...[:)]
Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: Niko80
Replied on: 20130917111628
Nice!
So the "Leica was made from a FED Zorki?
Can you give us some details on the FED-S? What about lens number and shutter cage material?
Does it have a number stamped in the shutter cage?
Regards,
Christian
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20130917115854
Yes, the Leica is made from a Fed 1f, the lens is a "reformed" KMZ Industar 22. And the 1/1000th is here just for fun![:D]
As for the Fed S (already in the wiki), it is a real 1c series. Shutter cage in brass, as it should, etc. All the features of an early 1c with the vulcanite common to the last 1b/early 1c. No number stamped on the shutter cage.
The lens has one of the last known serial numbers (33126/91-2) and seems perfectly normal.
Bill wonders if these cameras with odd serial numbers (2092 for this one) were not made specially for the police or the army. One hypothesis more! (If we have to speak of that, better use another thread).
Jacques.
Reply author: Niko80
Replied on: 20130918105323
Thanks!
By the way - the wiki says lens #33128/91-2, which one is correct?
xx28 or xx26?
Regards,
Chritian
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20130918113407
28! [:I]
Jacques.
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: uwittehh
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Jacques,
thanks. The lens barrel came out very easy. It has internal Zeiss number 847577, so it comes from a batch of 498 pieces made with the lens formula from 16.1.1939. Thiele has no date for it, but the batch before this one (with only 2 lenses!) was built on 01.07.1946.
The sports finder looks cool. I have never seen oe before for the FED.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20131020120601
Jacques,
I have told you some times ago of the 1948 Sonnar 2/85 I had (and which I idiot have sold ...) The Sonnar has serial number 2847596. So only 19 numbers away!
And this gives a question. Were the 2/85 M39-Sonnars built in the same factory as the early SK lenses? I think that there is a big possibility. Why should the stock of lens barrels be split in 2 parts? One part stays in Jena, one goes to USSR? I don't think so. Both lenses were made at Jena or Saalfeld or both were made in the USSR. What do you think?
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20131020144319
Ulrich,
For this batch, the date of delivery is missing in the Thiele.
Very probably, the whole batch, with some finished lenses and parts were sent to KMZ. The finished ones were used as is or sold. The other ones gradually mounted with KMZ parts.
Another example. In the same batch of 5000 1,5/5cm Sonnars delivered in december 1945 (s/n 285xxxx to 286xxxx), we can find true Zeiss Sonnars, ZK ones, and even Jupiter 3... I suppose it depends on the spare available parts. I even own one of them with a 1974 KMZ number...! It works perfectly.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20140215084755
Bravo!
For your Jup 12, I have two ones.
A 1952, which is a Biogon with Zeiss numbers. And a 1951 one, which is not, like yours. My two ones with the new barrel and yours with the former barrel.
Difficult to understand!
Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20140219092219
Jacques,
yes, that sounds strange with your J-12's. It would be interesting when Zeiss glasses were used for the last time in Jupiter lenses. A 1951 J-3 I own has Zeiss glasses inside.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20140219093732
I fear that no one knows exactly how KMZ used the stock of Zeiss material...
Probably they find out after some pieces they re used. My 1952 J12 would be in that case. I even have a 1974 J3 with Zeiss numbers [:D]. Certainly a question of repair...
I often ask eBay sellers about their ZKs, BKs and very early Jup: Zeiss numbers or not? By their answers, it seems that Zeiss glass parts could have disappeared first with the J8, then J11, J9, J12 and J3. But there is nothing sure...
Jacques.
Reply author: levonsa
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Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20140402044157
Very nice, but why do you need four? Isn't enough to have one of them? [:)]
Aleksey, could you list the s/n of cameras, please? Are they all with 1/1000?
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20140402094102
Impressive!
But I must say that I share Alexander's opinion. Unless cameras and finders are different, of course...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: levonsa
Replied on: 20140402163055
I have to please you! All ñameras and sports nozzle differ!
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20140403044426
The sport finders are different? I did not know there were different series...
Perhaps you could open a special thread to show us some détails of these finders? It would be great...
Thanks, Alexey. Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20140407152702
I have just bought my latest Fed S: an early NKVD c-S below s/n 60000. In fact, with the late 1b/early 1c vulcanite.
Probably it will be the last. When I began collecting Feds, some years ago, I was particularly interested by these S-s because of their particularities. But now, they become difficult to find and to buy...
Jacques.
Reply author: Niko80
Replied on: 20140407162338
Jacques, have you added the serial to the wiki?
Lens/camera serial pairs this low would be very interesting.
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20140408054300
Just done for the camera.
It will be done for the lens as soon as I receive all that.
Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: Niko80
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Nice!
I'll update the statistics when I find the time.
Reply author: Vlad
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Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20140505065951
Wow! Congratulation, Vlad!
It is a really nice find! My chances to find this camera decreased again [:(]
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20140505131628
Thank you Alexander. I guess I just got very lucky.. and to find this in United States too!
Cheers,
Vlad
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Much interesting!
I did not know either that Fed had made such sets.
Dated from 1980, if I read correctly?
That would explain a filmoscope, already seen for sale on eBay, declared made by Fed by the seller...
Thanks, Vlad! Jacques.
Reply author: Valkir1987
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Here's something that arrived today from Ukraine: A childrens optics constructor set made by FED with which you can make a lens, microscope, filmoscope, telescope and a spotting scope. Never seen anything like that before so I bought it <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Very Nice! There is a set from east- Germany known as 'Optik Baukasten' or 'Optik Montage Experiment' quite common.
Old-Stock pieces where sold in the nineties as well.
http://i1.ebayimg.com/03/i/001/43/7c/9f28_35.JPG
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: AlexanderK
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Congratulation, Fred!
Very nice FEDs. I find a little strange, that the 7xxx one has no flash shoe. It is uncommon for such serial number.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20140924161611
Thank you Alexander!
I have no explaination about this flash shoe missing.. Maybe be Jacques has an idea?
Fred
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20140924164745
Great acquisitions Fred, congratulations! I see you've been very active purchasing stuff lately [:D]
Cheers,
Vlad.
Reply author: david03
Replied on: 20140925080850
Regarding the photos of the Feds that Fred has posted and the query about the missing flash shoe on the 7XXX serial number Fed - I have a similar serial number (26 cameras earlier in the production run, at 7143). On mine, the three screws are present for the flash shoe but there is no shoe on the camera. As far as I can tell, I don't think it looks as if it's been removed by anyone who owned the camera. You guys are much more on top of this kind of debate than I am but I just wondered if with these early Fed 1b's the decision had already been made to install the flash shoe but for whatever reason there was an initial problem actually doing it with the first few 1b's. What do you think?
David03
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20140925084141
Waow!
I absolutely love your Fed 1a, Fred!
One feels the incertainty of the period, the difficulty to make a Leica looking camera with a metallurgy not yet at its best... Please, don't clean it too much! But you do what you want, of course![:I]
Concerning the shoe, there were some hundreds of 1b which were made without. It seems that Fed had not the machine tools which allowed to produce these cornered parts. Just the same for the 1a before. I own the s/n 7122 and 7373 which don't have it. Certainly, some users have it put on their cameras after.
A bit surprised by the position of the 2/50 lens on your S, Fred. What is the s/n of the lens? If it is too far from the lens one (lens in the 20/22000, for example), it could be an explanation.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20140925104751
About the 2/50 lens, the s/n (29974, I hadn't seen it)corresponds with the s/n of the body (147763). Cf Christian's graphs:
http://ussrphoto.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2353So, I have no evident explanation. An old lensplate originally mounted on the body? A mix of parts during repairs?
Concerning your Fed 1a, you have now to offer a one-turn lens to your body!
Jacques.
Reply author: levonsa
Replied on: 20140925132351
Hello!
Fred! You have a great camera FED ¹7169. It is a pity that the lens is a little late and complies with FED snakeskin finish.
The earliest FED sled ¹7891 / Molotok 2012 /
Alexander you worried for nothing! FED ¹7169 gorgeous!
My congratulations !!!
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20140926085953
Hi Alexey!
Nice to see you here!
Do you have an idea about the wrong position of the 2/50mm lens? A problem of lensplate? But, normally, there is a hollow behind which allows to place it in the right position, against the upper plate...
An interesting question!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: levonsa
Replied on: 20140926122807
Jacques hello!
Seat ring, which stands in the chamera is not the same threaded lens ¹29974. When set to "1" hour leash even closes the viewfinder! It should not be! And the number ¹29974 does not quite match the camera FED ¹147763. According to our data is more suitable ¹32.000-33.000.
Jacques thanks for asking!
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20140926153949
32/33000 for a body s/n 147763? Not sure.
32/33000 are the last 2/50mm lenses. But there will be many S-s after the 147xxx...
These last lenses would be more suitable for e-Berdsk bodies, I think... Though there is some dispersion in these numbers.
I rather think that the "seat ring" (= lensplate) is not the good one. Or was turned after repair.
Amitiés à toi. Jacques.
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20140927052540
Jacques
I have removed the lens plate
I supposed it has been mounted with 1/4 more turn after servicing.
But it is in good position.....
Fred
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Reply author: jed
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Hi Fred !
Weird - I've never seen a Jupiter 8M like this !
I also have bought some curious Kiev items : a 1956 Kiev 4A and a 1963 Jupiter 8 (KMZ logo !).
Reply author: SteveA
Replied on: 20141110104108
There could be a simpler explanation - I once bought a START camera which had been sat in a shop window in direct sunlight for a long time - the black paint in the lens front had been bleached to a grey/brownish colour - maybe the same issue here?
Cheers,
Steve
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Ulrich: I wonder how you can have such beautiful photos! I am jealous...
I own one of these "white" rigid lenses: no doubt they are rarer than the "black" ones.
Alexey: once more time, you are a conjurer![:)] These completely black rigid I 22 come from your hat?[:D] They were made specially for you?
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Guido
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Hello Ulrich
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A white faced rigid Industar 22 in very good condition. I think they are more rare than the black faced ones.
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Yes, they are. I only found them in s/n ranges 5000xxx and 5002xxx only up today. Princelle says there are only 2000 IIRC, maybe even less at my observation.
The black faced ones are made in the 5000xxx series too, but goes from 1950 to 1953.
Best wishes - Guido
Reply author: Guido
Replied on: 20141218150559
Hello Jacques
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Alexey: once more time, you are a conjurer![:)] These completely black rigid I 22 come from your hat?[:D] They were made specially for you?
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Just for my understanding: It's an ironic comment? First point: The design is not the same as the other rigid I-22 I know, second one: Black lenses are made much later by KMZ as far as I know.
Best wishes - Guido
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20141218152403
No Guido! And Alexey, of course!
It is not ironic!
I am just amazed to see all the marvels that Alexey can show. For example, these two black rigid Industar 22. Really, I did not think they could exist.
But are they really original?[:D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Guido
Replied on: 20141218154426
Hello Jacques
Oh, sorry for asking! How could I even be so doubtful?!
Best wishes - Guido
Reply author: levonsa
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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A very early version with a different design, as Guido says.
Thanks, Alexey.
Are there other very early KMZ products which can have been made in black by the factory? Zorki 1, 3...?
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: okynek
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Never mind the lens, what about camera! What is the history of the nameplate? Is it original? Prototype? Special order?
Reply author: levonsa
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Hi Alexey,
There is a difference in the back trapezoïdal part (with the meter scale) between the black rigid early I22 and the "white" ones. This back part is more important, higher on the white lenses. I just wonder why.
Jacques.
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20141219164212
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jacques M.</i>
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Are there other very early KMZ products which can have been made in black by the factory? Zorki 1, 3...?
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You really have to wonder about these totally black I-22, for which camera they were produced. I assume the first two digits mark the year, so 1950. Could it be KMZ produced this totally black I-22 for another brand than Zorki?
What kind of black is this coating? Is it chrom too? And which coating would be cheaper to produce?
Reply author: levonsa
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Reply author: levonsa
Replied on: 20141220095157
I forgot to thank Ulrich! Ulrich, I also really like your pictures! Very professional! What lens do you use?
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20141221150225
Wow, what rarities. I have never seen total black rigid Industar 22 too. And no Zorki 6 prototype. Wonderful finds.
So Princelle seems not to be right when he writes that white faced and black faced ones are both made in the quantity of 2000 each.
But what about the finder? I have never seen one with cyrillic engravings before. I only know them without or with MADE IN USSR engravings. And I have/had a lot of them :-)
Jacques and levonsa, you mean the pictures here? I have used a Pentax K-5II and a Pentax 16-50/2,8 lens and developed them with lightroom. But what is so special with the pictures? :-)
Ulrich
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Really, I admire what you are able to do with Sonnars, Brian...
When you talk of "tap" ( The Tap shows that it was originally finished in Contax mount.), what do you mean exactly?
Jacques.
Reply author: Brian
Replied on: 20150125074004
the Tap: the small hole seen in the first image near the "4" in the rear fixture. This hole is not present in the LTM version of the wartime Sonnars, is only present in the Contax version. The Contax mount has a set screw at the rear of the mount to hold the optical fixture into the mount. The LTM version is simply screwed into the focus mount.
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20150125093818
Thanks, Brian. I'm going to check my LTM Sonnars...
I understand it is the same for the 2/5cm, including the collapsible ones?
Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20150125162206
After checking, my two LTM wartime 2/5cm collapsible Sonnars have too this famous screw set to hold the lens barrel into the mount...
Jacques.
Reply author: Brian
Replied on: 20150126100307
If you ever have to disassemble a CZJ Sonnar "T": the German finished lenses also have a hidden set screw to hold the front namering in place, but the ZK lenses and J-3's do not. SO: if the namering "fights back" when being removed, remove the aperture ring to look for a set screw. The German finished lenses also use a set screw to hold the rear fixture into the main barrel. The ZK and J-3 did not use them. This set screw goes through the main optics barrel into the threads of the rear fixture.
This is with the "newest" 1950 J-3, wide-open on the Monochrom.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7438/16182117147_f16934a6a7_o.jpg
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7363/16366268261_de82af8a81_o.jpg
Performance matches my original 1943 Zeiss 5cm F1.5 Sonnar T. "Because it is one"...The J-3 focus mount is improved over the original Zeiss Sonnar focus mount.
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Reply author: Lenny
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cedricfan</i>
<br />A very early "normal-sized" Smena-5 but still with the ugly paint [:p]
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I wonder how many Smena-5 survived to this day. I think most of the 120000 pieces were burried in the garbage can many years ago.
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The Smena is a very underestimated camera in my opinion. It could both be used as a day trip camera, or a camera for people with interest in photograpy. Many people in the east shot their daily life with these simple camera's, thats why they still have them.
Reply author: cedricfan
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lenny</i>I wonder how many Smena-5 survived to this day. I think most of the 120000 pieces were burried in the garbage can many years ago.
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And about 11 versions, which makes the amount of each version small.
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Lenny
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cedricfan</i>
And about 11 versions, which makes the amount of each version small.
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Good day Juhani,
you mean the 11 versions on sovietcams.com, right. There is another variant you can see on fotoua.com type 3b, a monochrome top without rim. But sometimes Alex used photos of different cameras to describe the same type, which is not good. So there might be at least 12 versions of Smena-5.
Reply author: Lenny
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cedricfan</i>
<br />A very early "normal-sized" Smena-5 but still with the ugly paint [:p]
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Which paint do you mean Juhani? Your #018339 looks like to have the speckled top. Or was the speckled top even painted?
Thanks Lenny
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150228191546
The Smena-5 type 3b on fotoua.com I mentioned above is the #090101. This variant isn't shown on sovietcams.com. There is another variant not shown on Aidas' site, you can find it still in the collection of Alex Komarov on fotoua, #014313. But it's already sold and Alex will delete this #014313 by time which is not good. Alex has both, #014313 and #090101 listed as type 3b, but they are little different and their serials are also far apart. #014313 has the speed 125 written on top while it's missing on the #090101. Aperature on #014314 is 16 while it's 22 on #090101. So there should be at least 13 versions of Smena-5.
Reply author: levonsa
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Reply author: Lenny
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Always nice to see such rare things with an original leather case. Thank you very much. Does the selftime-lever have a nut on the backside?
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20150313042702
Ha!
Bravo, Alexey!
Congratulations for the Industar 17 !!![:D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
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At first glance I felt the Júpiter 17 ss being with the same câmera number with na addition of a zero
after I saw two "6" numbers instead of "0"
Cheers!
LP
Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: 20150313052454
another curiosity is the Kiev type self-timer with tht modern type lever (short type)
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150313071036
Jupiter-8 has 6 elements in 3 groups, Jupiter-17 has 5/4. Obviously KMZ tried to make a cheaper version. On sovietcams.com is a Jupiter-17 #5301285 shown. It seems KMZ tried to find a better solution for some time. I assume there must be some different versions of Jupiter-17 and this #5400040 could be the last.
Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: 20150313184002
tHE JUPITER 17 WAS AN ERROR. IT SAVED ONE ELEMENT BUT RESULTS WERE POOR AND MANUFACTURING COSTS DID NOT APPEAR IN SCALE PROCUCTION.
lEITZ ALSO MADE ELCAN WHICH WERE SUMMICRONS 6 (THERE WERE SUMMICRONS 7) WITH ONLY FIVE ELEMENTS. RESULTS WERE NOT PLEASANT.
UNEXPLAINABLE THINGS OF TECHOLOGY.
REGARDS
LP
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150314000012
Hola Luiz,
sovietcams.com also show a Jupiter-16, an earlier prototype from 1952. The optical scheme looks like 8/3 but they describe it as 6/4. This type must be even more expensive than the Jupiter-8. It seems KMZ tried to find better solutions, first to improve quality and later to cut costs, but in the end they couldn't compete with japanese products like many other countries too.
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Reply author: Lenny
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cedricfan</i>
<br />And one more, #041955 so PK2330 in Aidas catalogue
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Hi Juhani,
I think it must be PK2325 because it is painted. Interesting that the surface on the frontside has a different texture than on the backside. Sad that there was no hood. I really like this solution with a protectable hood. Too bad on other Smenas they didn't care to keep the screw on the shutter to attach a hood. They could have sold millions of hoods later.
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150319150924
Good day Juhani,
interesting to know about your #041966 would be the color under the paint, if the plastic is monochrome or speckled. There are some places where the paint is already lost. Interesting because the #014313 (ex-Alex) is monochrome too, but all monochromes should be younger with a higher serial number to make sense in the timeline. Could be the monochrome #014313 lost all the paint already, then the lower serial number would make sense in the timeline. Maybe your #041966 is monochrome under the paint too.
I like your speckled #018339 much more, it's my favorite version of Smena-5 (PK2330), hope to find one too.
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: levonsa
Replied on: 20150402141058
Jacques!
My congratulations! Excellent Zorki!
My two early cameras Zorki ¹8xxx and ¹9xxx already have a standard late head extracts.
Reply author: cedricfan
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lenny</i>
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<br />And one more, #041955 so PK2330 in Aidas catalogue
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Hi Juhani,
I think it must be PK2325 because it is painted. Interesting that the surface on the frontside has a different texture than on the backside. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Changed the pictures to better ones, and took a loser study of the camera.
The texture of black parts: actually I didn't even notice it before. And also the "unpainted granular" example has a bit different textured front and back. Were these made ultimate cheap, most likely?
And yes, I have a bit problematic with speckled, painted, granular etc. Silver-Grey hammer painted is PK2325. And yes, Blue-Black ones may have been painted when they left the fctory.
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20150403013534
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lenny</i>
<br />Good day Juhani,
interesting to know about your #041966 would be the color under the paint, if the plastic is monochrome or speckled. There are some places where the paint is already lost. Interesting because the #014313 (ex-Alex) is monochrome too, but all monochromes should be younger with a higher serial number to make sense in the timeline. Could be the monochrome #014313 lost all the paint already, then the lower serial number would make sense in the timeline. Maybe your #041966 is monochrome under the paint too.
I like your speckled #018339 much more, it's my favorite version of Smena-5 (PK2330), hope to find one too.
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http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent/342015_DSCF1626xxxx.JPG
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/342015_DSCF1626xxxx.JPGIt is blue/black-speckled under the paint.
Why? Was it looking too ugly and didn't sell, not even in USSR?
Did someone invent, that the similarly painted "Krystall" sold better?
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150403064843
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cedricfan</i>
It is blue/black-speckled under the paint.
Why? Was it looking too ugly
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Thank you so much for the photos Juhani.
Unbelievable, they thought the speckled ones are ugly. But good that they didn't use sandpaper on the speckled surface to make the paint stick better. So this #041966 is like wine, it will get better with the years.
Reply author: Lenny
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jacques M.</i>
<br />An early Zorki 1b (s/n 11072), with the speed dial of the Fed-Zorki and 1a. And the correct lens.
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It also still has the wind-knob with the finer surface which I like much more. Nearly all the vulcanite is complete and it's not painted or covered with shoe-polish.
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20150403083559
Thanks, Alexey.
So, your two cameras seem late 1a zorki rather than early 1b, by the serial numbers!
It's not easy to find these cameras, now...
To Lenny: sure, I will check the tip of the rangefinder and these famous bolts as soon as I have it!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150403104857
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jacques M.</i>
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Thanks, Alexey.
So, your two cameras seem late 1a zorki rather than early 1b, by the serial numbers!
To Lenny: sure, I will check the tip of the rangefinder and these famous bolts as soon as I have it!
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Hi Jacques,
yes these tension-setting-screws should also be a classificator to determine if it's a Zorki-1a or Zorki-1b, but most of the times they can't be seen on photos. I'm sure you will find 4-sided-nuts on your #11072.
I don't know which kind of nuts Alexey's Zorkis have, but his #09xxx with the new Zorki shutter-knob should have 4-sided-nuts also, it's an early Zorki-1b.
Then there is the PM1035 #09314 with the old Fed shutter-knob but it has 4-sided-nuts.
Alexey's #08xxx with the old Fed shutter-knob would be interesting to see without the baseplate.
Reply author: mtcurado
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Reply author: Lenny
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<br />Gomz Sport #1329 has moved to Portugal :)
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Congrats Miguel,
your Sport looks like it wasn't used much. Does it work?
The yellow Logo is so cute, wish I had that in yellow on my Smena too.
Does it also have a serial number on the shutter cage like on PK0655? I guess the PK0655 is #9060 and not #0906, depending on from which side it is read. But PK0655 has only 2 screws on the top, same like your Sport, so it should be a later version.
Reply author: mtcurado
Replied on: 20150408042108
Thank you Lenny!
The GOMZ logo is almost holographic! I don't have any other camera with such an eye-catching logo. It is specially amazing considering the period and the origin.
The camera is cosmetically OK and seems to work fine: tested the speeds and they seem coherent. Mirror and internal optics are clean and the lens is also clean and sharp. Of course so far tested without film, need to find a practical way to make a cartridge fit in there (anybody did this?). The center of the spool is too wide for a modern canister (if all else fails, will use the original canister, but then need a dark rook, which at present I don't have).
The only issue with it is that the D-ring latch on the base is broken, but that does not affect shooting.
Serials: nothing on the body interior or exterior, only the lens.
According to the types at ussrcameras.ru the camera looks like a type 6 and the lens a type 2. It looks like PK0650 at sovietcams.com, but the leather case is different.
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<br />Gomz Sport #1329 has moved to Portugal :)
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Congrats Miguel,
your Sport looks like it wasn't used much. Does it work?
The yellow Logo is so cute, wish I had that in yellow on my Smena too.
Does it also have a serial number on the shutter cage like on PK0655? I guess the PK0655 is #9060 and not #0906, depending on from which side it is read. But PK0655 has only 2 screws on the top, same like your Sport, so it should be a later version.
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travel-images.com
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150408072210
Hola Miguel,
I see, you have the older leather-case. Maybe someone wanted to have the newer case and newer lens at that time. It's just opposite to what collectors are searching now. At that time people always would want to have the newest stuff.
If you really want to shoot, I think you need to work with the original film-container, because there is no rewind-system. Turn off the lights and do it under a big blanket and don't forget to take your watch off.
Reply author: mtcurado
Replied on: 20150408104326
Thank you for the advice. I like to shoot all the cameras that I have :)
I may first try to cut a little the inner part of a commercial 35mm cartridge, to fit the axis.
The 'no rewind' issue is not very serious, because I can take the metal cartridge to the photo lab.
Body lens matching: nr 2896 seems to have the same configuration, see
http://interesnoevse.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/perviy-zerkalniy-fotoapparat-sport-v-sssr.jpgBack to the no rewind: the engineers seem to have had lots of issues deciding how to handle the film, have a look at this 1936 article from "Soviet photo"
http://www.photohistory.ru/Sport-camera.htmlThey didn't expect standard cartridges to be the future and didn't use an existing format. When Kodak launched 35mm cartridges for the Retina 117 they made sure that they had backwards compatibility with Leica and Contax. Gomz engineers missed this point.
travel-images.com
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150408112601
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mtcurado</i>
<br />Body lens matching: nr 2896 seems to have the same configuration
When Kodak launched 35mm cartridges for the Retina 117 they made sure that they had backwards compatibility with Leica and Contax. Gomz engineers missed this point.
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Hola Miguel,
I see you are really into these Sports. Your #1329 looks so much better than #2896. I saw another Sport on ebay from Leicashop #2454 and it looks also not so good as yours.
I doubt that Kodak would have tried to be compatible with GOMZ at that time.
Reply author: mtcurado
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Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150409035926
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mtcurado</i>
<br />Found the most interesting variant for sale at molotok.ru,
it has a rewind knob!!!!
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A rewind knob to use a normal film-cartridge? Maybe a modification not from the GOMZ factory. Then the drum with the teeth which sets the frames on the film must be unlocked. Is it needed to shoot the rest of the film frame for frame on normal Sports if you want to change the film?
Reply author: mtcurado
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Reply author: cedricfan
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Welcome to the owners club :)
Best regards,
Juhani
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Reply author: Lenny
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You can see na article from me at
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Thanks Luiz,
didn't see this before and didn't know that the shutter curtain is moving up and down on the Sport. Now the special shape of the body makes sense.
Do you believe that they threw many Sports away during the war because they were only interested to burn the wooden boxes?
Reply author: Moxies
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Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
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Lenny
Yes I know this tale.. It is completely true I knew that several years ago from a man who was at Leningrad in the siege years. fortunatedly he could sacpe.
Regards
LP
Reply author: mtcurado
Replied on: 20150428145052
Well, Lenny, I think somebody read your thoughts and did a really thorough job - look at what I found for sale in China:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.12.nmpjyW&id=25985200153&ns=1&abbucket=16#detailhttp://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent/2842015_T2R3wlXmRXXXXXXXXX_!!57705193.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2842015_T2R3wlXmRXXXXXXXXX_!!57705193.jpg(image from the Chinese equivalent to ebay, Taobao.com, don't know what their usage policies are)
The seller never mentions the modification, so the work must be pretty good and look "natural" to somebody not familiar with the Sport.
The asking price is ridiculously high, 30.0000 yuan :)
If this was a pre-war factory modification, then it is a historical camera, but it looks like the parts have Soviet post-war aesthetics borrowed from the looks of pre-war Contax II and III.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lenny</i>
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<br />Found the most interesting variant for sale at molotok.ru,
it has a rewind knob!!!!
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A rewind knob to use a normal film-cartridge? Maybe a modification not from the GOMZ factory. Then the drum with the teeth which sets the frames on the film must be unlocked. Is it needed to shoot the rest of the film frame for frame on normal Sports if you want to change the film?
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http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent/2842015_
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2842015_MT
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20150428151357
Hello,
That becomes a bit entangled and difficult to follow, I think.
It would be probably interesting to open separate threads to discuss specially about a camera.
For example, about this GOMZ Sport, a very original camera which would need that...
Only my twopence. [;)]
Jacques.
Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: 20150428175740
A sure proposal that this is a post war modification, (and a recent one!)is the use of alluminum in the knob manufcture.
This was not a common practice in pre-war days, Commonly they use nickeled or chromed brass.
Allluminum usage was a prement war need and câmeras were largely made using such materials after the war.
Regards
LP
Reply author: mtcurado
Replied on: 20150428181206
These Sports modified with a re-winder knob seem to be pretty common, and each one that I've seen had different details. So probably all non factory, but with varying degrees of sophistication. The camera for sale on Taobao.com seems to be so far the best engineered, although it was impossible to see the interior.
I found another modified Sport in the Ukraine, in this case we can see the modified interior, still not as well made as the Taobao Sport.
See:
http://zp-fotomaster.narod.ru/_rem/sport.htmlMT
Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: 20150429065726
Reply author: mtcurado
Replied on: 20150429094043
We need a "Like" button in the forum [;)]
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo</i>
<br />A gift from my assistant Sergio Murilo Rodrigues de Oliveira
a hand drawn Sport with Corel backgound
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MT
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Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20150503084356
Hi Martti,
very nice find. Could you please post the photo of the camera, where I can see the serial number on it?
Thanks,
Alexander
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Replied on: 20150505180209
Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: 20150505212507
Phantastic this "Eksponometr"!
A perfect reproduction of the German Tempi-Phot
proving once again the German-Russian cooperation from the
Rapallo Treat!
Although the scale in H&D (English Standard)
Regards
LP
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Reply author: levonsa
Replied on: 20150506041607
Luiz thanks!
The link to the G.Abramov,s website turns my light meter from the GOI, because there is no the logo of the plant and the rooms !?
Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: 20150506064555
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20150506144225
Thank you, Martti. My congratulations once more.
The golden color seems a little strange for me. Do you have any explanation for this?
Regards, Alexander
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Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: 20150508184440
Of course the Sport has a Strong Contax I look up to the name written with the same font design as Contax.... the vertical travelling metal shutter.... the lens infinity lock....
Regards
LP
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20150508232409
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo</i>
<br />Of course the Sport has a Strong Contax I look up to the name written with the same font design as Contax.... the vertical travelling metal shutter.... the lens infinity lock....
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Louis,
don't you accidentally confused it with Exakta? May be the same font design as by Contax, but the rest...
P.S. I suggest to move this Sport discussion to the own thread.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
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Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20150510081323
Luiz,
OK, I agree with you about the lens, it seems really to be similar, but the lens-lock and the vertical travelling metal shutter are almost 100% Exakta.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: mtcurado
Replied on: 20150510093019
The external lock has a Ihagee look, but it is an infinity lock.
The lens lock is actually a rather original system hidden inside the lens.
When one looks at the back of the lens, Alexander's observation makes all sense, although there is no pin as in the Exakta.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent/1052015_MC8_4968.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1052015_MC8_4968.jpg<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by AlexanderK</i>
<br />Luiz,
OK, I agree with you about the lens, it seems really to be similar, but the lens-lock and the vertical travelling metal shutter are almost 100% Exakta.
Regards, Alexander
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MT
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Reply author: altix
Replied on: 20150519145832
Congratulations Jacques!
great find indeed! Never saw this lens in LTM before. No doubt it is genuine.
altix
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Reply author: levonsa
Replied on: 20150519164024
Jacques!
My sincere congratulations !!![:)]
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Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150520025215
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http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent/1952015_DSCF2155.JPG
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Hi Jacques,
I like these pictures with the same model for comparisons sake. Must not be consecutive numbers because these pictures really make it easy to find differences. What can't be seen on this picture are the shutter-knobs. It's interesting that they have a different surface,
How long do you have #06337 now as your guest, I see you didn't clean it much, there is still some dirt under the shoe. Maybe now is a good time to remove both shoes to clean it and to check if the stamped signs under the shoes are different. I guess they are different.
Wish you luck to find a #06336 or #06339 now.
Good Times
Lenny
Reply author: Moxies
Replied on: 20150520045323
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20150520050722
Thanks, altix and Alexey!
The lightmeter you show is a Fed? Or by whom was it made?
Lenny, I don't understand the general tone of your message. You think that one of the two 1a-s is not original? I have owned the s/n 06337 (the dirty one!) since may 2011.
Jacques.
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150520081212
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jacques M.</i>
<br />I don't understand the general tone of your message. You think that one of the two 1a-s is not original? I have owned the s/n 06337 (the dirty one!) since may 2011.
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No Jacques, I didn't say that they are fakes. I like these pictures for comparisons. Like the following picture. The one without serial should be around #458484. Easy to see the differences on the "Z" and the KMZ-logo.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent/2052015_Zorki-1 458484 top.JPG
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2052015_Zorki-1 458484 top.JPG
Reply author: levonsa
Replied on: 20150520082955
Jacques hello!
I showed the original light meter FED! In the light meter is not a logo, because it is a prototype of the factory. Such was done 10-15 pieces. They did not go into production. On the last photo you can see a comparison with FED-4.
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20150520145345
Dear friends and camera collectors!
Let's discuss all these very interesting themes in separate threads. As you see, here are parallel discussed different cameras and accessories and it is almost impossible to split them from each other. We have a forum, but not only one thread (already 12 pages) to discuss all that we have to discuss.
This is my opinion, but I hope to be heard.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20150520151252
I agree with Alexander, create a new thread if you find something interesting worth discussion, there's so many cool things being posted here and it's hard to address anything specific because it's all mixed in. [:)] But I have to admit it is nice to open this thread every time and see Alain's post on top.
Cheers,
Vlad.
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20150520151311
Maybe I should lock this thread [:)], what do you think?
Reply author: Guido
Replied on: 20150520161549
Hello Vlad
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Vlad</i>
<br />Maybe I should lock this thread [:)], what do you think?
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It's exactly what I think. Sure it's a very interesting thread but it's too hard to find a specific topic in such a monster thread.
Only my two cents ...
Best wishes - Guido
Reply author: levonsa
Replied on: 20150520163018
You can do what you want or like! But if our communication to someone interferes, why then do we need here?[8D]
I propose to make a separate post "Me and Alexander forever!"
Super? And no one will disturb you![:D]
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20150520163801
Hi Vlad and friends,
I already told Vlad directly what I think.
And I completely share Alexander's opinion.
We cannot limit our discussions on the main topic "just arrived " (at home) and it's really a problem.
I regret that some important subjects (for example, lately, about the Sport)cannot be really visible. And the last one about the prototype of Fed lightmeter should deserve a thread in itself, by its novelty.
So, Vlad,sure you should close this thread now. But let us just two or three weeks more, please! Who knows...[:)]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20150520180112
Jacques, I am not locking this thread yet, I would like for people to voluntarily create new threads themselves.
LOL Alexey! [:D], you post so much amazing stuff it really deserves a thread of its own.. I would like to discuss this FED light meter but there is so much disorganization in this thread it's really hard to do so... I would love to catalog all this stuff.. I really need to set aside some time to take items from here and put them into wiki if the original posters don't mind.
Thanks,
Vlad.
Reply author: mtcurado
Replied on: 20150527195500
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Reply author: Moxies
Replied on: 20150530032216
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mtcurado</i>
<br />Got mail from Leningrad!
This package arrived today, straight from the home of Gomz.
Sport Nr 11755, a rather late vintage.
Fully working, but needing some cosmetic touch-ups.
A few weird things, though:
- The Gomz logo is upside-down!!! Why would someone in Russia do that?
(I've seen all kind of weird angles, but upside-down is too much!);
- "cnopm" is written in a yellowish paint. Maybe just "aged" white?
- The lens has no Gomz name nor logo.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent/2752015_MC8_5488 small.JPG
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/2752015_MC8_5488 small.JPG
фотоаппарат спорт nº 11755
MT
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Also got this lens without GOMZ logo (and without the camera, but that's another story [:D] )
https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4400/18405597.21/0_100f5b_643a92d6_L
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150530041234
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mtcurado</i>
<br />This package arrived today, straight from the home of Gomz.
Sport Nr 11755.
A few weird things, though:
- The Gomz logo is upside-down!!! Why would someone in Russia do that?
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Same as Zoom recently told us, VTSVS is read clockwise, but why would Russians start at 8 o'clock. If the VTSVS star is the russian empire they started in Ukraine.
Interesting that GOMZ are still selling cameras from 1939.
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20150530042809
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lenny</i>
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Interesting that GOMZ are still selling cameras from 1939.
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Lenny,
GOMZ does not sell any more cameras from 1939! With "home of GOMZ" means Miguel Leningrad, but not the GOMZ-factory.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20150530061147
Alexander, I thought about that, but Miguel said Leningrad first and then added the "home of GOMZ" which also means the house of GOMZ. If I say "I'm home" I don't mean that I'm in my city, then I mean that I'm in my house. So to me Miguel said directly from GOMZ. Don't know if he really meant that, that's why I said it's interesting, I don't want to ask about his sources.
Reply author: mtcurado
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Reply author: Moxies
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by mtcurado</i>
<br />I had to clean the Industar 10 on the "Sport", so you can see the lens interior and the diaphragm mechanism.
<b>About the Gomz name / logo on Industar 10:
- till about nr. 3000: word GOMZ
- about 3000 to 13000: nothing
- about 13000 to 19000: GOMZ prism logo</b>, but these lenses are slightly different, as the aperture ring is an inner ring, much less practical to use.
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Thanks for the info!
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http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent/1862015_russ_lens_IMG_0830.JPG
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862015_russ_lens_IMG_0830.JPGFinally I found a choice of lenses. Nothing extraordinary, but here they are:
First row: Mir 20H s/n 860811 (converted to M42), Industar-69 no s/n (adapted to M39 FFD), Jupiter-12 s/n 9021676 (M39), Jupiter-8 s/n 6226854 (M39),
second row: Industar-26m s/n 1404203 (M39), Industar-61 L/D s/n 947005 (M39), Helios-44 s/n 0256726 (M39 Zenit),
last row: Jupiter-9 s/n 6102545 (M39 Zenit), Jupiter-11 s/n 7102274 (M39 Zenit). Missing on the photo: Orion-15 s/n 760592 (M39).
The Mir came with a custom made adapter M42 to M39. For both possibilities focus is spot-on. They are all standard versions, the Jupiter-9 is a bit strange, it has what seems to be a custom made distance scale, ∞, 30m, 10m ..., perhaps a repair. The 26m was a present from a friendly seller.
Reply author: Moxies
Replied on: 20150619143618
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by xya</i>
<br />
http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent/1862015_russ_lens_IMG_0830.JPG
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/1862015_russ_lens_IMG_0830.JPGFinally I found a choice of lenses. Nothing extraordinary, but here they are:
First row: Mir 20H s/n 860811 (converted to M42), Industar-69 no s/n (adapted to M39 FFD), Jupiter-12 s/n 9021676 (M39), Jupiter-8 s/n 6226854 (M39),
second row: Industar-26m s/n 1404203 (M39), Industar-61 L/D s/n 947005 (M39), Helios-44 s/n 0256726 (M39 Zenit),
last row: Jupiter-9 s/n 6102545 (M39 Zenit), Jupiter-11 s/n 7102274 (M39 Zenit). Missing on the photo: Orion-15 s/n 760592 (M39).
The Mir came with a custom made adapter M42 to M39. For both possibilities focus is spot-on. They are all standard versions, the Jupiter-9 is a bit strange, it has what seems to be a custom made distance scale, ∞, 30m, 10m ..., perhaps a repair. The 26m was a present from a friendly seller.
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That's a nice set to start lens collection [:)]
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Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
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A very "cool" Nicca with complete Fed body!
Regards
LP
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20151108121127
Yes, Luiz, "cool" is the right word. I will put it in the wiki, in the
"Russian Leica copies", with other pictures.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
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Reply author: Luiz Paracampo
Replied on: 20151204180938
My friend Jacques
The only Nicca without slow speeds were made in the 1943-1946 period
probably not compatible with the FED body you have. Although the preiod could be superposing, politics in the era were not favourable (seems to be)
Best Regards
LP
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20151214112910
Hello Robert!
It seems you love the Zorki C-s...
Perhaps you could introduce yourself and your collection in a new post?
Anyway, welcome here!
Jacques.
Reply author: cyfrowyduch
Replied on: 20151215134107
Jacques Thank you for the warm welcome.
I like Zorka.
My collection is not large.
When it comes to Zorka C is I only have three.
So there is nothing much to show. At least for the moment.
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20160119060118
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<br />Hello everyone, this is my first post in the forum.
I hope not the last :)
And this is my latest achievements.
Zorka C - edition of the Festival.
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Thanks for your photos Robert,
those Festival cameras are special, the black ones (vulcanite and nylonette) got the Festival logo, but the green and grey ones did not. But we know at least from sovietcams.com that those green and grey ones were delivered with special Festival boxes, so they might indeed also be Festival cameras, at least most of them. Did you get boxes with your cameras too or other information, maybe passports?
I'm also interested to see the backside of the green and grey cameras, would be thankful if you could post those pictures too.
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20160119064209
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Luiz Paracampo</i>
<br />My friend Jacques
The only Nicca without slow speeds were made in the 1943-1946 period
probably not compatible with the FED body you have. Although the preiod could be superposing, politics in the era were not favourable (seems to be)
Best Regards
LP
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Thanks Luiz,
would have been interesting if Nicca copied a Fed. But through the connections to Germany because of the war they might got good information about Leicas, no need to copy a copy.
The only real copy of a Fed might be the Neuca which is comprehensible because they came from the soviet zone GDR.
Reply author: cyfrowyduch
Replied on: 20160123142405
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Lenny</i>
Thanks for your photos Robert,
those Festival cameras are special, the black ones (vulcanite and nylonette) got the Festival logo, but the green and grey ones did not. But we know at least from sovietcams.com that those green and grey ones were delivered with special Festival boxes, so they might indeed also be Festival cameras, at least most of them. Did you get boxes with your cameras too or other information, maybe passports?
I'm also interested to see the backside of the green and grey cameras, would be thankful if you could post those pictures too.
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Hi Lenny
I do not have those cameras boxes or documents or any additional information.
As requested I took pictures of the back.
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http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx344/cyfrowyduch/_DSC0846-1_zpsnauy6nyp.jpg
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I throw more pictures of other Zorki and the Fed.
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http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx344/cyfrowyduch/_DSC0844-1_zpsfmai4n0g.jpg
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http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx344/cyfrowyduch/_DSC0816-1_zpss7m8p4rt.jpg
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Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20160123161833
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Hi Lenny
I do not have those cameras boxes or documents or any additional information.
As requested I took pictures of the back.
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Thank you so much Robert,
your grey nylonette is very clean. Often marks can be seen from the leather case, especially where the closing buttons of the case are. Never put them in a leather case again.
Reply author: Will
Replied on: 20160124033812
Very nice Robert.
Reply author: cyfrowyduch
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your grey nylonette is very clean. Often marks can be seen from the leather case, especially where the closing buttons of the case are. Never put them in a leather case again.
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Thank you for your advice, I'll keep that in mind.
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Ha ha! 10€ for that very rare Fed lens!
The definitive serial number is the good one, by the list we have.
Congrats! Jacques.
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Reply author: Alfa2
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Received today my 46th Fed 1. All are different!
An interesting one, even if not beautiful. It's an 1b with
- a number of 1a,
- brown patterned vulcanite,
- large engraved lettering.
All that makes me think that the (real) serial number could be around 26000.
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/8102011_Fed 1b 4580 001.JPG
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/8102011_Fed 1b 4580 001.JPG
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/8102011_Fed 1b 4580 002.JPG
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent/8102011_Fed 1b 4580 002.JPG
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques,
I have just found this site and read this thread.
I think real number of your camera is 14xxx or 13xxx (less possible). It has characteristic vulcanite. Please look at surface of top plate (under cover of rangefinder)it is little bit different than in other FEDs. Remaining details (like advanced knob, shutter release, etc) fit 14xxx too. It cannot be seen clearly on pictures but speed dial should have bigger diameter like in older items of FED.
But I can say nothing about cover of rangefinder. Maybe real number of the camera is 14580 ?
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20160202151842
Probably you are right, Alfa2. And welcome here!
I was too fast when looking at this Fed (I have it in front of me now).
By the width of engraving, no doubt it belongs to a 1b series around the s/n 2xxxx. But the diameter of the speed dial is an earlier one. And the vulcanite can be seen on the 13/16xxx 1b-s, whereas the profile of the release button (much curved) could be even older.
All in all, it cannot be a 13/16xxx because of the width of engraving. Rather a camera made by the factory using spare parts after repair, from several other ones.
But the discussion remains open (in a separate thread if necessary). Thanks!
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Alfa2
Replied on: 20160203120335
Thanks for your welcome.
You are absolutely right but let me tell/write my theory, which may be not true of course.
There were many poor people in 90's in area of past-USSR who wanted to earn some money. It was usual that servicemen were buying russian cameras on their market and than they were selling them abroad. But they were buying everything even not complete cameras and than combining them to working models which could be sold.
Sometimes there was problem with e.g cameras which were combined from FED in about 50% and Zorki in about 50%. Was it FED or Zorki ? For sure it was not FED-Zorki [;)] .
My theory is your camera is FED 13/16xxx but plate with engravings (cover of rangefinder) is from another camera.
As you wrote discussion was still open. (If moderator decide so it could be new thread.)
It is really plasure to talk/write to you about old cameras.
Thank you.
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Hi Alfa2!
I prefer we stop here: this thread is not made for such discussions.
I will open a new thread tomorrow about that subject: just the time to put the hand on my photos![;)]
Jacques.
Reply author: Lenny
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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A beautiful Fed 1a.
In original condition, as it seems...
Jacques.
Reply author: Aleksandrov66
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Thanks, Aleksandrov. And welcome here!
I had never seen this repro set before in "reality".
About Bunimovitch, in which edition have you found the set?
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
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Fascinating. I have never seen such a device before. Great find Aleksandrov! And welcome to the group.
Ulrich
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Reply author: Vlad
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Wow! (to the reproduction stand) Would you be able to add this to Wiki catalog here?
Thanks!
Vlad
Reply author: Aleksandrov66
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G'day Vlad!
Done.
Reply author: levonsa
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In 1933, the FED has not yet been issued, its accessories were produced in 1937. So write Bunimovich in 1933 there was still nothing!
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Yes, Alexey...
I wondered about the date. But I have no book of Bunimovitch, whatever the date is...
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: AlexanderK
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<br /> the book is "Camera FED" by Bunimovich D., 1933 (not 1938!).
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Sorry, but this book is from <b>1938</b> and not from 1933!
And pages from 89 to 99 are really dedicated to reproduction photography.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Aleksandrov66
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Hi Aleksandrov!
Certainly Alexander and Alexey are right.
It should be a misprint, and the last page gives the good date.
As if misengravings, on some Fed covers, were not enough....[:D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Congrats, Reinhart, and thanks for the passport, always very useful for these cameras.
But I read 1949 for the date, no? It should be amazing for a Fed NKVD (probably) made in 1940
Amitiés à toi.
Reply author: xya
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Reply author: Lenny
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The line above the date means the lens?
That would be quite strange to have the lens before the date with the first 2 digits missing and then after the date the body with complete serial.
However, congratulations, very nice Fed.
Everyone started with the first camera, hahaha, enjoy collecting.
Reply author: xya
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hi lenny,
that's a funny coincidence indeed, I had not seen it. but I can't read russian, so I do not know what the paper really says...
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Yes, Lenny, this passport is a bit strange for a prewar Fed.
It's the first time I see a price, and thsre is no address of factory, for example.
Would it be a bill rather than a passport?
Anyway, it would be useful to have a translation of this paper. If somebody could... Thanks!
Reply author: Alfa2
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From this passport i can see the camera was bought in Moskow in 1942 in Московское управление торговли культтоварами.
There are signs of inspector and of consignor. The paper is rather something like good issue from shop.
Such goods as FED was not on free market. There was no free market in USSR and distribution of such important goods like FEDs was controlled by state administration.
Reply author: Lenny
Replied on: 20160406035500
Maybe this is from a workshop. This lens was calibrated to the camera body. No other stamp was made on the lens, so you keep this receipt to document that calibration was made.
To me, it was in 1940, the year when this body should be produced. Maybe a replacement for a faulty body. Who knows, translation is needed.
This would explain why only the last 4 digits of the lens were written on the receipt. If this camera/lens combination would be original and new, the lens should have a much higher serial number. Could be, this is the lens the previous owner bought new and after his new camera body got faulty he got a replacement camera body calibrated to his old lens.
Reply author: Alfa2
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I could read almost all words. I cannot read the first word covered by ink. Second word coverd by ink is подробное which means "detailed".
In title is written that this is receipt from special shop number 18 which is placed in Moscow in Московское управление торговли культтоварами. I can see number of camera but I don't see last 3 digits of the lens here.
There is signature of director of the shop too below signatures of inspector and of consignor. There is a price given in digits and in words.
Below there is empty fields to put new price and signs.
Reply author: xya
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the seller, who is a russian from moscow, told me that this is a receipt from a commission shop (which is a second hand shop). they were quite common in russia and they still are. in those days it was mandatory to make any second hand sale via a commission shop.
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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So, it was sold in 1942 as a second hand camera.
The lens can have been changed, of course, as Lenny says: we don't have the original passport. But it can be original too: the lens has often a higher s/n than the body, but not always.
Reply author: Alfa2
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Great so it is solved.
I had problems with word комиссионный. It could come from second hand shop or from committee.
But I still don't undestand line with year 1942 and with the first word covered by ink.
Reply author: Vlad
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It says "the date of acceptance for commission"
Reply author: Vlad
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The line after the date says "Detailed name and description of item"
Reply author: Alfa2
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<br />It says "the date of acceptance for commission"
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Thanks Vlad, this was the line I could not understand because of ink and 3rd word which half of it disappiered.
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<br />The line after the date says "Detailed name and description of item"
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What about the line above the date with the partial lens serial?
Reply author: Vlad
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"Receipt Stub Number 5489"
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Reply author: xya
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thanks vlad, that's very kind of you.
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Reply author: cedricfan
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Yes, the plate is glass, or at least it should be.
Best regards,
Juhani
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: uwittehh
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Jacques,
wow, what a nice FED! I always wanted to have one with such a low number :-) But they are hard to find...
Ulrich
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: Fotohuis
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Arrived a few weeks ago just before my holidays. A direct parcel from Ukraine with:
An Universal VF for a client.
A J-9 for Kiev/Contax 1961 for US$ 25.
A J-12 for Kiev/Contax 1984 for free.
Together with my Kiev-4AM and the J-8M a good combination. A VF-1 I have already so a good combi with that Jupiter-12 F/2,8-35mm lens.
I will develop the first film with these new optics, a Bergger BRF400 plus (OrWo Filmotec N74+ ) in Pyrocat-HDC soon.
Robert
"De enige beperking in je fotografie ben je zelf"
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Reply author: levonsa
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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One of the very rare Jena Contax with the double numbering: Jena and Kiev. Thanks, Alexey! And hats off! [8D]
A very interesting detail: the accessory shoe is on the Dresden side: rounded and not square, like on Jena ones. But others share this same feature.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: levonsa
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Jacques thank you! I specifically did not comments, but you coped just fine !!! Jacques Bravo !!!
Reply author: cedricfan
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Reply author: AlexanderK
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Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20161024203044
Alexander - wow! FS-2 very cool! And a "red" C-112! There's supposedly a KMZ version as well.
Congratulations!
Vlad
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20161026145928
A FS-2... The dream of a collector!
Bravo, Alexander! [:D]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Fred_L
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Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20161218120146
Bravo, Fred!
Nice lens, I have such one with Nr. 000137.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20161218121612
Hi Alexander
Does yours have Zeiss serial number on rear glass element?
Fred
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20161218124233
Hi Fred,
no, also no number.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20161218132612
Thank you Alexander
I bought it in Vienna, Westlicht auction last month..
Best regards
Fred
Reply author: AlexanderK
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Reply author: Moxies
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Cool!
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20170206142212
Jena front, Jena bayonet. 1947 serial number. Dresden rangefinder, shutters and mechanism after demontage. Original bag.
Nobody concerning the Sasaki?
Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: 20170328090936
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20170328104735
You mean you only bought one camera in two years, Martti??
If I could be as wise...[:I]
Congrats for this splendid Fed 1a, with a correct 1 turn lens.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Alfa2
Replied on: 20170329033610
One camera in 2 years but what a wonderful camera it is.
I guess the case is not from this camera because it has big screw at the bottom.
What is serial number of the lens ?
Reply author: fotomuda
Replied on: 20170406150347
Lens number is 5177
And the case is with this camera
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Reply author: seany65
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I've just received this from an ebay seller in Ukraine:
Bah! I've forgotten how to add photos.[:I]
Anyway, it's a Jupiter 8 from 1963. It only cost £24.99 plus £7 p+p. It seems to be working properly, although it doesn't look all that 'pretty'. I didn't really want to spend £60-£80, which seems to be the sort of price these things are going for quite often these days.
Reply author: AlexanderK
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Reply author: cedricfan
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What is that Mepro-Kominar lens? In my opinion one of the good reasons (price being another) for buying a Zenit was the good lens, so here they have changed it?
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20170729085155
I suppose that these Japanese versions of Zenit are not common? Bravo, Alexander.
Nothing very interesting here, just a xth version of the Fed 1b, that time with a release button sharper than the other ones...[:)]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20170729101139
Wow this is a very nice addition Alexander! Very rare pair! The lens are Japanese, I guess only the bodies were exported and the importer put these as part of the package. I only have the "E" myself, still looking for Pro. Congratulations! I love the rebranded Zenits, it's almost like different countries do their own versions of Matryoshka. Fun to see [:)]
Cheers,
Vlad
Reply author: AlexanderK
Replied on: 20170729123012
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<br />What is that Mepro-Kominar lens? In my opinion one of the good reasons (price being another) for buying a Zenit was the good lens, so here they have changed it?
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Juhani,
so far as I know the main porpose was to bring Kominar lenses to market so cheap as it possible, so the japanies bought the simpliest SLR-cameras and applied own Kominar lenses to them. These Meprozenit cameras with Kominar lenses had no competition in price.
Regards, Alexander
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Congrats, and welcome here, Lee![:)]
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Reply author: Alfa2
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Yesss, FED-Zorki is always a nice item.
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Reply author: cedricfan
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The Albar, a very fine finding [8D]
Did you know the link behind the name? Greek "alba" means white, and Albar is made in Belarus, "White-Russia" [;)]
What is odd to my eyes is why they added the 1/1000 speed, was it really needed that much?
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Fred_L
Replied on: 20180212140522
Hi Juhani!!
I own another one with #9315113. I suppose it means it has been manufactured 8 numbers before this one...
It is not in my home for the moment, but I will check soon if it has 1/1000 too or not....
Fred
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Reply author: Alfa2
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Yes, the vulcanite is from much later FED.
But which buttons do you mean and why they are not genuine ?
Reply author: Jacques M.
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The vulcanite should be on the "Romashka" type, for this s/n. Fed 1f with a vulcanite of "Red Flag" type are correct too, but just after by the s/n. Then, the usual vulcanite takes place (like the one on this 210064)
For these questions (and the buttons), see levonsa's site:
http://ussrcameras.ru/catalog/631Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Alfa2
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OK, thank you Jacques. [:)]
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<br />Nice find, Luigi. I've never seen the box of a Kristall before.
Ulrich
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thanks a lot Ulrich !
rare to find such a complete kit.
With the box, the case, lens-hood, cap, passport ... and Leningrad-2 (active).But the thing that impressed me is the aesthetic and working conditions. :)
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Reply author: jed
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Reply author: cedricfan
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I would store the new curtains next to the camera but not replace them.
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Alfa2
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I don't replace curtains in FEDs NKVD. I'm not gonna use it. There are (in general in the world) a few better cameas for shooting. [;)]
Sometimes I do this in common M39 Leicas.
Reply author: cedricfan
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Reply author: jed
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Congratulations !
What a find !
Reply author: Vlad
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Oh wow Juhani congratulations on this find! What is that thing on the side of viewfinder? It that a sync socket?
Reply author: cedricfan
Replied on: 20181014005505
Yes, a flash sync socket. Actually a good place for one to be added, although nicest would be without.
But it also shows the camera has been used, and not just sitting stored.
And the shutter is so smoothly operating, simply amazing difference to FED and Zorki.
Also the weight of the camera is incredible!
But what is the meaning of "81" in the bottom plates?
Best regards,
Juhani
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Reply author: Alfa2
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Congratulation Jacques. Which S/N ?
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20181018142842
Thanks, Alfa.
S/n 200977. Nothing strange about that camera, except an extra part inside the bottom plate. Probably not important, but I will show that in a separate thread.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Alfa2
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Red Flag is always Red Flag. A very rare thing.
Reply author: uwittehh
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Found this the last time. It's a mixure of a 1947 Kiev and a 1949 one and some later parts. After a discussion with altix it has a 1947 body shell and rangefinder parts and a 1949 shutter and lens. There are name markings with pencil under the film pressure plate and inside the top cover. The front mask must be later, early fifties.
The history of this camera would be interesting but I know nothing about it.
http://ritzelkiste.de/ussrphoto/k4701.jpg
http://ritzelkiste.de/ussrphoto/k4702.jpg
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20181107054217
Congrats, Ulrich.
A 47 Kiev is always a rare camera, even if it's not completely original...
I own a '47 one too, repaired (or remounted) with a 1949 shutter box. The rest is original and was seen by Altix too.
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
Replied on: 20181108164151
Jacques, thanks. Yes, an original one with all original parts would be nice. But as Altix says "a 47 Kiev with a 47 shutter is a miracle" :-) But even if it is not original, it was a bargain, I've found it in a "Konvolut" of Kiev cameras.
Ulrich
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Reply author: AlexanderK
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Hi Fred,
it is very nice find, but this lens doesn't belong to set. On this place must be a film development spool.
Regards, Alexander
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Reply author: jed
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Congratulations ! Very rare cameras. Please post s/n on the wiki.
Reply author: AlexanderK
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<br />Congratulations ! Very rare cameras.
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Jed,
why rare? What does this "T" mean?
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: jed
Replied on: 20190324152155
Hello Alexander,
In the wiki only 3 cameras are listed. Now we have 5...
I own one 🙂
Vlad said a friend told him the camera was designed to take pictures from a plane. ´Topographical' camera : T.
Jean
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Reply author: AlexanderK
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OK, thanks for explanation.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: cedricfan
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Did "T" have a different meaning on Zeiss, like multicoated?
I am sure I have seen it on some lens just can't remember which...
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: treehorn
Replied on: 20190325030535
The Soviet lenses in the 1950ies do have a red "П" to indicate a single coating.
"T" on Zeiss lenses indicates a single coating, invented by Alexander Smakula (born in the Ukraine) for Zeiss in 1935. They used it until 1945 mostly for military optics. In 1940 the first Biogon and Sonnar Optics for the Contax Rangefinder with a "T"-coating were shown. By 1950 all Zeiss lenses were coated and marked with the red "T". Later they introduced the "T*" multi-coating.
"T" stands for "transparency optics", in Russian "просветление оптики" (pronounced "prosvetlenie optiki" and meaning a "better shining-through of optics".
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Thank you, treehorn.
This explanation seems more plausible to me than “tropical” or “topographic”. Otherwise serial number of the camera has 'T' as well and on the lens with russian inscription I would expect 'П' (просветленный), but not 'T'.
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Looks like a Jena Contax? Serial number appears like a late model, bears all the traits of one looking at images in Minoru Sasakis 'Contax to Kiev'. Black painted surround is interesting, any sign of chrome plating on the back of the surround? Looks like and early 1950's lens serial number though...
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<br />Thank you, treehorn.
This explanation seems more plausible to me than “tropical” or “topographic”. Otherwise serial number of the camera has 'T' as well and on the lens with russian inscription I would expect 'П' (просветленный), but not 'T'.
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Sorry Alexander, that was a misunderstanding. To make it clear: the "T" on the Kiev (lens and body) has nothing in common with the "T" on the Zeiss lenses. The equivalent to the Zeiss "T" is the "П" you've mentioned.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by levonsa</i>
<br />Hello!
I came across an interesting camera in my opinion ....
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A black Jena-Contax - all alarm bells are ringing. My first thought was that it has to be a fake, especially considering the good shape of the camera. But at a closer look many things seems to fit:
- black cover of self-timer
- groove in focus wheel
- frame counter looks more Zeiss than Arsenal style
- accessory shoe has Jena style
According to Bernd K. Otto ("Von der Carl Zeiss Jena-Contax zur Kiev", PhotoDeal 34, 2001) there have been some samples of the Jena Contax in creme and black. They were presented at the 1950 fair in Leipzig with serial numbers 27801-28100. That would fit too.
Andreas
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A beautiful and rare version of the Jena Contax!
The beige one is much more popular (and numerous) with probably aroud 20 samples made.
I have 10 Jena Contaxes "half black" in my data, like this one, and one or two all black, including the Sonnar...
To go back to this s/n 28081 (thanks, Alexey!), another interesting thing is the Sonnar already engraved 50mm. An late series for this f2 Jena Sonnar, delivered in january 1951 and which should always be engraved in cm by the Thiele! The date is interesting: it could give a good idea for the mounting of this camera.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Of course, Alexey. Thanks![:D]
As new, like many other Jena Contaxes...
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Jacques,
I own 3 Jena Contax now, and two of them looked as they were used over the years.
Ulrich
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Ulrich thank you!
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This model was made for medical purposes. There were two differen models, both came without lens.
Regards, Alexander
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Congrats, APK is a very fine camera!
Best regards,
Juhani
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Fine![:)]
And thanks for your detailed explanations on your site.
Hope you will post photos made with that camera.
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Hi Jacques, can you please open a thread regarding your Kiev that had no-name plate, can you please post a photo of a the noname plate that you have left over, especially I am interested in the bottom portion of it that has a cut out for the tripod socket. Thank you!
Xya, Marcolin, nice Zorki 3M and F21!! Congratulations!
Best regards,
Vlad.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jacques M.</i>
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Fine![:)]
And thanks for your detailed explanations on your site.
Hope you will post photos made with that camera.
Amitiés. Jacques.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">as soon as the film slitter arrives, I will try it and show some photos. amitiés. reinhard
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Hi Fred,
could you please post a photo from bottom? Thank you.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Fred_L
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Hi Alexander
I cannot take picture at the moment,
On bottom, there is only the tripod nut.
There is not button as we can see on wiki
I'll take a pic later
Best regards
Fred
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Hi Juhani! Glad you got the package safe and sound! [:D], it is very funny that you got your camera back considering the fact that I bought it from you originally! LOL! [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D] I have gotten a duplicate since then so this one went back into trading pile. [:)] I believe the same thing happened with me and Ulrich at some point in the past where I got my own camera back. Very funny! The Soviet Collector's cycle!
Enjoy and congratulations!
Best regards,
Vlad.
Reply author: uwittehh
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Jacques, nice early FED. Congratulations! There is no secret about preparing them for the photos, just don't use flash or light from the front :-)
Ulrich
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Vlad, yes, that happened to me too. Recently I bought a KIIV IIIa on ebay and wondered when I looked at my camera list that I've sold it in 2006. Now I got it back for less money :D
Ulrich
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Juhani, nice Leica. I think you feel that an original Leica is smoother than the FEDs and Zorkis :-)
Ulrich
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Ulrich I remember I bought my own Zenit Junior back from you after many years accidentally [:D]
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Vlad, according to my camera list I have only one Zenit Junior and I have not sold it. But where is it... ;-)
Ulrich
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by uwittehh</i>
<br />Juhani, nice Leica. I think you feel that an original Leica is smoother than the FEDs and Zorkis :-)
Ulrich
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Danke [8D]
Yes. Clearly smoother than FED/Zorki, but same level as the incredible TSVVS [:0]
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Jacques M.
Replied on: 20191219053815
Hi Juhani,
Nice IIIc!
The pattern of its "sharkskin" vulcanite is vertical, like on my IIIa "Monté en Sarre" which is contemporaneous (1949). On the other IIIc "sharkskin" I know, the pattern is horizontal.
Could you give me the s/n of your camera, for my tables, and to discuss with French specialists?
Thanks! Jacques.
PS: sorry to be OT, Vlad...
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Ulrich, I am mistaken then, was too long ago, the Zenit Junior must've been with someone else then, maybe even Juhani, but with someone here [:)]..
It is a very nice mint Leica!
-Vlad
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<br />Sure, body # 484258 and lens # 629111 which is a bit older I suppose?
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Yes. By the tables, your lens was delivered in 1946, and I have checked for the body: 1949.
Thanks for the photo. Can I use it on this site:
http://www.summilux.net/index.php for a discussion?
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Of course you can
[^]
Best regards,
Juhani
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I've also seen this Arsenal logo Kiev for sale, avoided it as well, looks aftermarket to me.. fun camera to have though in collection, I have quite a few interesting modifications myself [:)].
Best regards,
Vlad.
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Great lot, hopefully and likely also good price!
The Lubi is most likely a Kotleta: somenone just added the nameplate from the real SPUTNIK-stereocamera, which is easy. If it were real, there would be more than two specimen seen.
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Vlad
Replied on: 20200312001745
Wow quite a nice purchase! I have the same Sputnik too, and Alain Berry had one but I think it was it's the entire shaft from Sputnik was transplanted. I agree with Juhani, but nice Feds and a PDF Zorki!!
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by schyter</i>
<br />not a milestone in Soviet production and my collection is not of a high standard.
So it fits perfectly among the others ...[:)]
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Without this your collection would not be complete [:D]
Regards, Alexander
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You also need a red one, and a no-name one [;)]
Also the LOMO 35F-1 fits well to that triplet [^]
Best regards,
Juhani
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cedricfan</i>
<br />You also need a red one, and a no-name one [;)]
Also the LOMO 35F-1 fits well to that triplet [^]
Best regards,
Juhani
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I am following a sale for Lomo 35F-1,
but the price is too high for me.[:(!]
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Reply author: Jacques M.
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Fred,
Congrats!
Your Fed 1a is burnished or chromed? Difficult to see.
It would be interesting to know.
Thanks.
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Hello Jacques
It seems to be a burnished one..
I'll try to make better pics soon...
Fred
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Hi all
In the sale of last saturday, there were many other soviet cameras. I'll check soon and tell you if I find Lomo 35-F1
Fred
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<br />You also need a red one, and a no-name one [;)]
Also the LOMO 35F-1 fits well to that triplet [^]
Best regards,
Juhani
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I am following a sale for Lomo 35F-1,
but the price is too high for me.[:(!]
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Hi Fred, wow! Some interesting stuff! and a lot of fakes! Smena-18, Global 35 have fake logos and all those crazy Smena Symbols! [:)]
The Lomo 35F-1 is very nice and Elikon-3 is superbs, nice rare cameras! Congratulations!
Best regards,
Vlad
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The one between Lomo and Elikon, that should also be a true rarity.
And Albar-15, what shutter speeds does it have?
The previous owner has certainly been a collector, but for me the oddity is the big amount of fakes.
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Fred_L
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Hi Juhani
Shutter of Albar is up to 1000. S/N is 9316220. It is the second 1/1000 I have found..
I don't know exactly who was the previous owner. What I know is that he is still alive. He had about 3000 soviet cameras. The auction house has done many sales from 2016 till today.
Last year they sold a Zenit square Logo (fake???) for +/- 2500 euros and I could buy a Foton.
Please would you help and tell me what cameras are fake in the pics I listed ?
Thank you so much!!
Fred
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<br />The one between Lomo and Elikon, that should also be a true rarity.
And Albar-15, what shutter speeds does it have?
The previous owner has certainly been a collector, but for me the oddity is the big amount of fakes.
Best regards,
Juhani
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Fred_L</i>
<br />Hi Juhani
Shutter of Albar is up to 1000. S/N is 9316220. It is the second 1/1000 I have found..
I don't know exactly who was the previous owner. What I know is that he is still alive. He had about 3000 soviet cameras. The auction house has done many sales from 2016 till today.
Last year they sold a Zenit square Logo (fake???) for +/- 2500 euros and I could buy a Foton.
Please would you help and tell me what cameras are fake in the pics I listed ?
Thank you so much!!
Fred
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cedricfan</i>
<br />The one between Lomo and Elikon, that should also be a true rarity.
And Albar-15, what shutter speeds does it have?
The previous owner has certainly been a collector, but for me the oddity is the big amount of fakes.
Best regards,
Juhani
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Hi Fred!
My best congratulations on the new cameras for your collection! Some of these samples look really weird, since fitted with faked nameplates. Could you give me some serial numbers from the photograph below? These cameras are marked with question sign. Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
Aidas
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Ciao Fred,
very healthy envy for many things, mostly Lomo 35F-1.
greetings from the red zone Covid-19... (Lodi, Italy).
My appeal to everyone is not to underestimate.
It is not a simple influence. Limit physical contacts
and go out only for what is strictly necessary.
STAY AT HOME !!
BR Luigi
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Hi Aidas
Please look at serial numbers below!!
Smena symbol is 04362
Best regards
Fred
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<br />Hi Juhani
Shutter of Albar is up to 1000. S/N is 9316220. It is the second 1/1000 I have found..
I don't know exactly who was the previous owner. What I know is that he is still alive. He had about 3000 soviet cameras. The auction house has done many sales from 2016 till today.
Last year they sold a Zenit square Logo (fake???) for +/- 2500 euros and I could buy a Foton.
Please would you help and tell me what cameras are fake in the pics I listed ?
Thank you so much!!
Fred
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="MS Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cedricfan</i>
<br />The one between Lomo and Elikon, that should also be a true rarity.
And Albar-15, what shutter speeds does it have?
The previous owner has certainly been a collector, but for me the oddity is the big amount of fakes.
Best regards,
Juhani
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Hi Fred!
My best congratulations on the new cameras for your collection! Some of these samples look really weird, since fitted with faked nameplates. Could you give me some serial numbers from the photograph below? These cameras are marked with question sign. Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
Aidas
http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/1432020_aaaresize-yesno.jpg
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http://www.ussrphoto.com/resize/resize_image.aspx?ImgWd=800&IptFl=/UserContent2/2032020_Lomo-Smena_02_LD v2.jpg
http://www.ussrphoto.com/UserContent2/2032020_Lomo-Smena_02_LD v2.jpg
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Thanks a lot, Fred!
the only problem is with recognizing serial numbers on your picture ... the resolution of your picture is to low to understand everything correctly ... Could you send the good quality picture to my private mail, please?
Best regards,
Aidas
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Beautiful! But it's not your first one, if I remember![:D]
Does it have Contax parts?
Jacques.
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Hello Jacques,
Yes, Rangefinder Glass is Zeiss's. The camera is in very good condition and fully working. Never dismantled since 1949. Really I'm reluctant to open it only to check the inside :(
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Hi everyone!
I just got a zorkij 1, I think its's a 1d. But it's serial (461939) would indicate that it has the accent ring around the mount (according to the table I found at
https://www.fedka.com/Frames/Main_Frame.htm), that it does not have. Also, it's a "zorki-zorki", a one with both cyrillic and latin engraving on top. It has its serial on the back. Is it possible that it was made like this, or it was put together from several cameras? (altogether it looks great, needs a little cleaning, the rubber covering looks old, but it works fine)
Thanks if you help me!
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it looks fine. mine is an ordinary T series. I have read that T stands for a wider temperature range. guido mentions a P model for polar on his page. does anyone know about the differences between A and T?
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That's a nice one! I have an Iskra but the film advance doesn't work properly either - it's a very delicate mechanism. I'd like an Iskra 2 too some day. Okvintagecamera is a great site and the prices look very reasonable to me.
Michael.
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That's a really lovely looking camera! Looks great all in black. I do like Zenit Bs and the pancake Industar suits it better than a Helios 44.
I have a black Kiev 4AM which to me looks much nicer than the metal finish but alas that one isn't original - it has been refinished. Very nicely done, though.
Michael.
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Michael,
I also like the Zenit B, because my first serious camera was a Revueflex B that I got from my older brother in the mid 70ies. It is still in my collection today :-)
Ulrich
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absolutely beautiful!
regards
LP
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Hi Martti,
Certainly a Fed NKVD 1d/1e, by what I see. Without engravings (are there traces of erasure ?).
The lens is very interesting in itself: a LTM Sonnar 2/5cm. Do you have its serial number or a photo of the beauty ring?
Amitiés. Jacques.
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A cover erased, then re-chromed, waiting for another engraving? But it seems there is no difference between the chromes cover/upper plate. So, a cover originally non engraved?
To know more, is there a date marked inside, on the shutter box?
Jacques.
PS: it seems you miss the RF front window. PM if you need one.
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Hi Martti, welcome back! Haven't seen you around in a long time! [:)]. I have a similar one but with unfinished chroming. I think the engraving has been filled (instead of filed down) and entire top cover has been re-chromed for later transformation into a Feica, I've encountered a few of these. Someone did a very good job.
Best regards,
Vlad
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Hi Jacques,
red window on the back side seems to be made later. it doesn't match the camera type.
Let me know please when you get the camera.
Regards, Alexander
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Yes, Alexander.
These windows can be seen only on the 1a and very early 1b. And too when there was a special reason to check the register. For the moment, I don't know if this camera is original or was assembled with spare parts...
Amitiés. Jacques.
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sincere congratulations, jacques, you made it quite soon. 100! incredible!
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Hello Vlad and everybody else!
Is there a date marked inside, on the shutter box?
I will look after.
Will try to find out from the seller, where did he get it. He used it last time in 90s.
What to you think, is it possible to look through the surface with some medical device, xray of something?
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my suggestion nd speculation:
Considering the totally different case and lens (also firing knob), it could be first prototype generation of Neuca which were really overhauled war surplus Feds intended to be sold in Europe.
This was an obscure period (1945-1949) when lots of German engeneers were working in Soviet factories.
Regards
LP
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So, no doubt, it's a Fed.
As for the year... Probably 1940, by what I see. 1941 would be too late, and the 1939 ones probably still have a yellow brass shutter box with such a month.
Does the pressure film plate has a hole (after c. # 150000) or not (before that number) to confirm? If nothing was changed!
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Hello!
I have good news. I can use one laboratory and there is device, with which I can see trought the chrome surface. Will let you know, is there some engraving or not. I thin I can get the answer in month!
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I received a KMZ Jupiter-3 with a Serial Number higher than what I've seen before. This is my 4th KMZ J-3 made in 1956. This one is different: the fixture for the rear triplet is similar to the ZOMZ. The sides are the same thickness 2.0mm as my other 1956 KMZ J-3's. The 1956 ZOMZ shown here - thickness is 2.2mm.
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I think this is a PT1635 using the recomputed formula using Russian glass rather than Schott glass. I'll be testing against the 1956 ZOMZ and earlier KMZ with the Zeiss style rear fixture. The optical block was mounted in a 1970s ZOMZ LTM focus mount, I did a full teardown. Maybe some blocks were found and mounted for sale? The glass is perfect.
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One more shot, ZOMZ left and KMZ right. New style fixture with threads on leading edge of the fixture and guide ring for better alignment into the barrel.
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The early finder is the mirror image (almost) of the later model. I assume the reversal was to use the new finder on a Zorki/Fed.
Did KMZ continue making both versions of the finder? I've seen some 4-digit SN finders that are oriented as the new ones.
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Perfect! I am looking for this stand for many years and still without any success [:(].
Regards, Alexander
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But the amount of space it takes to own one, it is huge!
Best regards,
Juhani
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I've decided that having received my FED 3A(5) back from the technician now in full working order and can be used, that it counts as "Just arrived in my collection", even though I bought it about ten weeks ago. Serial number on the body: 3217441, serial number on the fed Industar 26m lens:1871128. Both are excellent condition. The focusing ring is smooth and doesn't turn when the aperture ring is turned and I can't really see any dust in it, the lens's body also looks like it's not been very dirty at any time. The camera body is clean and only shows any "age" in a few very tiny places, most noticeably a tiny bit of brassing on the eyepiece.
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Long time without any new filmcameras, until today. My Latvian friend sent me a Zenit-E, which could be considered a bit dull, and not worth sending as the lens is an Industar. But this was from first owners legacy, so in great condition, plus with brown full leather case. So not black, nor with plastic "nose". Not a typical case in 1974 IIRC?
Best regards,
Juhani
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Jacques,
nice find. I like these Ukrainian KIIVs. On the 42 Leitz Photograpica Auction is one listed, with the nice red box. Estimated price there ist 6000-7000 Euro...
Ulrich
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Hello Jacques,
very nice camera, congratulation! What do you mean with "40 items only"? Where did you find this wrong information?
Regards, Alexander
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Hi Alexander,
I found an allusion on this legend on Sovietcam.com. False, of course. About that question, it could be interesting to complete a bit the s/n we have in the wiki: are there "ordinary" non-Ukrainian Kiev III inside the range?
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques,
I had an Ukrainian Kiev IIIa with serial number 5828601 and a normal Kiev IIIa with serial number 5828053. So really close together.
And, if the number of about 40 KIIV IIIa is wrong, what do you think how much of them were made? I have no idea.
Ulrich
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Added in the wiki. Thanks, Ulrich.
I will have a look to find other ones, if possible.
No idea about the real number of the "Ukrainian" Kiev IIIa...
Amitiés. Jacques.
PS: your early Feb 1b is absolutely beautiful!
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Some time ago I was told about a full set of a splendid mint Kiev 15 set which was going to be sold.
I went to the seller address which is not fr from my home and found his mother, who was going to sell the Russian camera collection from her son who was yet transfered to live in Spain due his employement.
I was not prepared to see ou feel his really exquisite collection full of unique articles. I was really surprised.
His name is Gilberto and i was immediatly touched by his own taste and skills.
Soon after I was introduced to the Kiev 15 outfit his mother showed me an extention bellows which I could not identify its bayonet. Of course primary made for 6x6 cameras and magistrally completely hand made.
I found it a so strange and spectacular collection that I prepared a set of photos which I will gradually share it in this fórum. Mr Gilberto, Who I cound not get in touch has high skills and a modest profile which is very uncommon nowadays.
There were several kits, once his collection is primary focused in complete camera sets and not specially cameras alone. I bought all the available items and Will show each one to our members.
Our first demonstratios is a specially prepaired Zorki S (Note in the choosen bag letters Z-Y as analogy or coincidence ?) and home made lenses “Gilbert 1” on hand made lens case.
This kit was particularly choosen because undoubtably FEDs and Zorkis directly descendants of Leicas (first shape generation) are the most attractive cameras and evoke dreams from everyone.
A particular and different characteristic of his taste was his optical collection on microscopes but this runs out from our main focus.
There was a particular item which particularly touched me but I Will show in the next issue.
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thanks for watching another kit will ve shown soon
Regards
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What a beautiful work! Thanks, Luiz.
The finder without lens is close to the sportsfinder too... Very clever and economical.
Have you tried the extra lenses, for example on a numerics?
Amitiés.
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Interesting, Fred.
The serial numbers of our two Feds are very close (10469 vs 10767) but yours has still a finder with "recess", mine is "flush".
About the s/n of the lens, the "good" one is on the reverse of the lens in infinite position (10439, if I read correctly).
Amitiés. Jacques.
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What a beautiful work! Thanks, Luiz.
The finder without lens is close to the sportsfinder too... Very clever and economical.
Have you tried the extra lenses, for example on a numerics?
Amitiés.
Dear Jacques I have not tried the lenses which is a curiosity to test, But I have a circular Leica mat screen used in the Reprovit and both lenses are very crisp. Particularly used in the Zenit 3M viewfinder the telephoto (72mm) is astonishing crisp in close-ups !!
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Next week I shall place a very special set which really shocked myself due the skilled craftsmanship .
I need a time to take the pictures of this inventiveness. they turn around a Start and a Zenit 3M
Reply author: AlexanderK
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Hi Luiz,
is there something special in this diary? Mashpriborintorg was an exporter of all soviet technik abroad, not only photo equipment.
Regards, Alexander
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And in the 80ies they were very active in promoting Soviet technology.
Best regards,
Juhani
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Aleksander and Juhani
Almost all pages are empty ; Some notes about "friendship" concept and it seem to be a kind of woman's calligraphy the booklet is almost mint!
Regards
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A very nice found!
Best regards,
Juhani
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Thanks, Juhani.
I am particularly happy with this one. Visibly used, but in original condition...
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Congrats! Original condition is most important, signs of use are a good sign :)
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Hello all and a happy new year to you!
2024 has started well for me as these have just arrived from Ukraine:
A newly serviced 1951 Zorki 1(b) and an Industar 22 in its original case.
The Zorky is in amazing condition with very little signs of wear. It appears to be one of the later ones in the 'b' series with a harder body shell. I can see no deformity. The Industar 22 fitted is also in great shape.
The cased Industar 22 looks brand new! I am waiting for a 'e' body from a UK dealer to fit this to.
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Always the most loved and desired camera model...
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I will show in the next segment something that really shocked me I am still preparing photos
Regards
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Otherwise a very professional and/or expensive kit, but the Marucon really doesn't fit there, especially timewise.
Best regards,
Juhani
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hello Juhani
that is true but the inventiveness of the sunchade/lens adapter has its real merits, as wll as the the home made finder.
Regards
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This fourth approach runs around a beautiful vintage adapted bottle bag:
That contains a Start and a Zenit Sporting some Professional and cleverly home made accessories. In order to show better this excelent kit I devided the article is segments for better appreciation.
First a Start body to which was built a fitted home made eveready case, a M39 transient ring and a vertical accessory finder which seems to have a a Zenit ocular of a later era.
The camera itself seems to have lost its original lens but Mr Gilberto magistrally adapted a Helios 44 M 6 from Valdai operating in complete auto mood and with a proper bayonet. It was also made a M39 old Zenit mount and an extra knob giving better shooting ergonomy when used with non automatic lenses. Also a conventional Zenit 3M with a tailored identical eveready case, but obviously smaller than the previous model. The camera came with its original black Helios 44 from Belomo. The kit includes two sets of specially made extension tubes (one in original Leica Standard and other in Praktica Standard lenghts) both cameras have a rethread 1/4” tripod lock. The accessory lenses included are a Mir 1 from Sergei Posad, a Jupiter 9 from Lytkarino and a Jupiter 11 from Kazan. It also included a modified 75mm Soligor enlarging lens All in M39 Zenit mount.
And finally something that really shocked me. - Some time ago I published at these USSRPhoto pages the article ‘Helios 44 outer limits” see
http://ussrphoto.com/Wiki/default.asp?WikiCatID=86&ParentID=4&ContentID=297&Item=Helios+44+Outer+Limits+%2D+by+Luiz+Paracampo This developed system was adapted over the old white version of KMZ Helios 44. Beside the included Double kit of extension tubes it included a single element tele converter (à la Zeiss Distar -10.75D ), the corrector ring when the rear element is not used, a reverser ring for macro purposes, three extension rings M39 in the M42 standard ratios and a Start Bayonet coupler. The set included also a Soligor 75mm lens for macro prepaired to receive 49mm filtersm and a home made center spot soft filter 49mm à la Thambar.
Together, two 49 mm Center blinded spot filter and a single element 10.75D teleconverter were included.
A ball joint head of complete different concept and a two level portatile tripod were also built and included.
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Luiz,
unbelivable, what great sets!
I also own a Start with the M39 adapter ring and a waist level finder. Both are rare today.
Ulrich
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Ulrich and Milo
Ulrich wait a bit more that I am prepairing two more items found in my garimpage thait i told about in the beginning and not yet ready.
Milo - EWA was a TOE associate during '70 up to '90 years. Was it found in recent still operating shop?
Regarda
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Hi Denn,
welcome here & thank you for this note. Very interesting information.
Regards, Alexander
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Would it be possible that someone please translates Denn Kirov? That would be nice...
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<br />Would it be possible that someone please translates Denn Kirov? That would be nice...
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https://translate.google.com/ makes that possible [8D]
Regards, Alexander
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Interesting information indeed! Thank you!
But I think it's time to lock this thread it's grown completely unwieldable and a lot of really good information gets lost. Please create new threads for new items in the forum instead.
Best regards,
Vlad
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Jacques,
I also have such a “Zenith”, mine has the serial number 60014131, so quite close to yours :-)
Ulrich
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Hi Ulrich,
I have checked with my own cameras.
The s/n 119792 (1dS) has 27/I inside, the 127195 (1d) has 19/III, your 127630 (1dS) with 20/I, and 24/V (1d) for the 128213. All that is not very linear![:0].
Problems at the factory, a changing of shutter box, or else? We'll never know!
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Jacques,
yes, you can speculate. Perhaps the FED S were not produced in a batch, but always on the side. And when enough were finished they were given tops with current numbers? Just an idea... but we will never know.
Ulrich
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Maybe I’ll be able to get a burnished 1A now you’re done :D
I know Vlad says I should consider my early 1B the same but I cannot. The text is incorrect!
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Ulrich, I wrote some years ago about a "Vintage surplus" shop in Tallinn. An old man around 80 runs the shop, and it is open rarely. But there is still New-In-Box USSR-cameras! After over 30 years from Estonia getting free, there is left overs from that time... Last time I didn't find anything interesting, and the prices were not cheap, but I have a plan to visit the shop again. It is a total mess with too much things stuffed in a very little shop! But then I will keep my eyes open for this kind of last of the series cameras.
Best regards,
Juhani
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Today, an early Kiev 4, top withouit ridges.
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Congratulations Jacques! My Kiev 4 s/n is 57199 [:)]
Regards, Alexander
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Thanks, Alexander and Andreas!
I just begin with these post-1955 Kievs: not always as simple as it seems...
Amitiés. Jacques.
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Fine![:)]
I add all that in the wiki. Perhaps it would be interesting to open a thread about the different versions of the Kiev 4, including the prototypes?
Still concerning the Kiev 4, if you had some light to answer my thread about the 1968 ones without logo on the clip?
Amitiés. Jacques.
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There were some minor variations within the engravings on the Kiev. These engravings do not technically change the camera, so I would not call it a new type, but rather a variant. So for me, the ‘no-name’ is also just a normal Kiev 4a without engraving.
I would assume the following practice at arsenal for engraving the accessory shoe:
Until approx. 1958: Either just the serial number or (for export cameras) ‘Изготовлено в СССР / MADE IN USSR’ plus serial number. Kiev III models have also a ‘A’ or ‘Б’engraved.
From approx. 1958: ‘Сделано в СССР’ plus serial number
From around 1972/73 (?): The Arsenal logo appears in the viewfinder shoe
From 1980: The Kiev 4m/4am models only have the Arsenal logo and serial number engraved (a hot shoe contact was included, so there is less space). There is a small plate glued to the back of camera with the label ‘Изготовлено в ССССР’.
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<br />There were some minor variations within the engravings on the Kiev. These engravings do not technically change the camera, so I would not call it a new type, but rather a variant. So for me, the ‘no-name’ is also just a normal Kiev 4a without engraving.
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Hi Andreas,
Kiev "no-name" is wether type nor variant. It was simply an export camera without engraving not to violate Contax rights.
If you need more information you can write me directly in German [:)]
Regards, Alexander
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Hi Jacques,
nice find, conratulation! Could you give a s/n please? Mine is 335, need s/n for some statistics. Thank you.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Of course.
1000245 for the 3a type 1 original, and 1023245 for the "first evolution" (or 3a type 1 second version, by the wiki).
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: uwittehh
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Jacques,
very nice find. I like the early FED 3a :-) I have never seen such a fine engraving on the speedknob before.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: Jacques M.
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Reply author: Valkir1987
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Acquired a while ago, a black Zenit B. Wat is interesting is that it came with a warranty card from Orwo Foto B.V. Zenit was distributed by E.W.A. (East West Agencies) in den Haag. Orwo foto did of course Orwo films, Praktica, Pentacon and other East German related photo products. I thing the shopping assistant filled in the wrong card by mistake. In fact, the card has barely been filled in at all like most of them...
This Zenit B was sold at one of the first mega shopping centers in the Netherlands; Maxis in Muiden. [url][/url]https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxis_Muiden
The camera was sold in 1976. The serial number of both the camera and lens start with '73 like all black Zenit B camera's.
The black Zenit B is supposed to be rare, but shows up now an then on Dutch market places. Maybe more of them have been sold around here back then.
https://www.flickr.com/photo_download.gne?id=54751135049&secret=73ca6cbd62&size=c&source=photoPageEngagement
Reply author: cedricfan
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And at least here in Finland the B never sold in quantities at all, it was either E or EM. So all B sold here as new are rare!
Best regards,
Juhani
Reply author: Jacques M.
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By the Princelle, 889000 of these cameras were made between 1968 and 1973, and 356 in 1977-78. I wonder why these 356 extra cameras? [8)]
Amitiés. Jacques.
Reply author: Alex_Rus
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Zenit-B serial production: from 1968 to 1973 — 887467 units, in 1977 2,150 units were produced. Total: 889617 cameras.
(http://www.zenitcamera.com/archive/zenit-e/index.html)
Reply author: Jacques M.
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OK, Alex. Numbers are a bit different. But why nothing between 1973 and 1977?
Jacques.
Reply author: uwittehh
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Jacques,
interesting details. The edge below the rewind button is also sharper on the older camera.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: uwittehh
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Milo,
the black Zenit B looks great; I have one too that looks like new, though it was made in 1972.
Ulrich
http://fotos.cconin.deReply author: AlexanderK
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Hi Jacques,
the production of Zenit-V (Зенит-В) was really stopped in 1972, but in 1977 this serie was continued with special cameras Zenit-V for endoscopy Zenit-VE (Зенит-ВЭ), I have such camera with s/n 7700xxxx.
I think that is the reason why there were less then 1000 cameras in 1977-78.
Regards, Alexander
Reply author: Jacques M.
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Thanks, Alexander. That's clear now.
Ulrich: you are right. I will open soon a special thread about these early Fed 3. They deserve it!
Amitiés. Jacques.
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